First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread

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Trump got destroyed on the birther thing. He had a good comeback to it, that it started with Clinton’s 2008 campaign, but he kept stumbling trying to spit it out, and his line that he should get credit for making Obama produce the birth certificate- that just made him look foolish. I can’t believe his campaign couldn’t come up with a better way to handle that. He should have just said it was mistaken on his part, apologized, and moved on. Instead he kept it alive for 10 minutes.
 
Listener said:
It just drove me crazy the way Trump kept Interrupting Hillary at the beginning. I thought he was acting like a superior male who needed to put this insubordinate woman in her place.
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I don’t think he did well, but my impression was that when she said wildly inaccurate things, he wanted to correct the record.
Do you people really want to put this scary guy in charge of our nuclear weapons?
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I really don’t want to put such an advocate of abortion in charge of choosing our next Supreme Court justices. (Among many things I could say about such a person in charge of so many things.)
 
Vouthon said:
The point is, his stamina was seriously flagging by the end - just from a 90 minute debate with a political opponent.
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Of course, this is your own opinion and it reflects your own perception of things.

How other people perceived it, and how the media will continue to mold those perceptions over the coming days, might be an entirely different matter.

I, for my part, thought Trump had strong moments and some very weak moments as well. His weakest moments seemed to be on the Birther nonsense, and also some parts relevant to his business dealings. I also think he clobbered her several times, including with regard to painting her experience as simply being “bad” experience. But he could have done a lot more, especially when she was talking about things like cyber security, and he could have brought up her medical records.

Clinton I thought did very well, although I also perceive her massive grin as being a sign of discomfort, and I did not at all find appealing the idea of going to her website to read what “fact checkers” are writing there. It came across like she wasn’t able to respond to his claims, and so she was simply passing the buck along to her team. “I hope those fact checkers are busy” is not a good response to certain claims.
 
PTL said:
I have already made up my mind. No matter how the candidate I support performs in debate, I will still vote for that person. No matter how cunning or mighty the other candidate performs, I will still not vote for that person. Therefore, it is needless for me to watch. I just hope and pray Americans will know the dire consequence if they cast the wrong vote. If they cast the wrong vote, America will be no more, finished,period. The consequence is deadly serious.

We are voting for policies and morals, not for eloquence and performance. We cannot vote for a liar, a baby killer, a gay sex promoter, a transgender promoter, and a person repeatedly affirms that religious belief must be changed. If that candidate gets elected. the Church will be persecuted. We may not have a church to go. It means Catholic lights out.
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👍 well said!
 
meltzerboy said:
Perhaps the debate did not affect you because you are already committed to Trump. But with regard to the undecided voters, Trump did nothing (so far) to move them in his direction, whereas Hillary did better on this score. Both of them need the Independents on their team.
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Hi meltzerboy,

Actually, I’m not committed to either candidate. I’m an independent voter. I’m still undecided. I have my ballot here already, sitting next to my computer. It’s pretty much “staring me in the face.” 😉

I have time to decide yet, about what I’m going to do, but I have never felt so undecided about an election before. O.K…

Don’t want to take it off-topic.
 
Expatreprocedit said:
Instead he kept it alive for 10 minutes.
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Agreed.

But I have to be honest: the fact that this sort of thing determines who did or did not score points in a debate is evidence that we need to raise our understanding of what debate actually involves.
 
gilliam said:
“fact checking” is the 2016 word for political commentary. I’ll pass
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Every fact check listed was supported by publicly available references. It’s easily verified. Its in the public record. Did you find a fact check that you believe was not documented? Or do you disbelieve all the public records too?
 
gilliam said:
Or a typical conniving politician; depending on your political persuasion. I kept getting flash backs of Jeb Bush and Richard Nixon during their debate performances (but that may just be me.) I’m not sure how it will play over the next week. Will need to watch the numbers.

Trump is not a good debater. He missed a lot of openings and he really should have practiced more.

I think the moderator lost control of the debate half way through and the audience towards the end.
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Trump definitely didn’t touch on the e-mails enough, or Benghazi or how polls show Americans find her untrustworthy!
 
meltzerboy said:
Perhaps the debate did not affect you because you are already committed to Trump. But with regard to the undecided voters, Trump did nothing (so far) to move them in his direction, whereas Hillary did better on this score. Both of them need the Independents on their team.
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You make a very good point: a lot of people have not been keeping up with the news (knowing that may be hard to understand!) and this was like an introduction to the candidates for them. Trump should have been much more specific about stuff rather than alluding vaguely on the grounds we would know what he was talking about. Clinton sounded more specific in a way, but when seriously considered, what she said was mostly same-same-old.
 
LiamQ said:
Of course, this is your own opinion and it reflects your own perception of things.

How other people perceived it, and how the media will continue to mold those perceptions over the coming days, might be an entirely different matter.

I, for my part, thought Trump had strong moments and some very weak moments as well. His weakest moments seemed to be on the Birther nonsense, and also some parts relevant to his business dealings. I also think he clobbered her several times, including with regard to painting her experience as simply being “bad” experience. But he could have done a lot more, especially when she was talking about things like cyber security, and he could have brought up her medical records.

Clinton I thought did very well, although I also perceive her massive grin as being a sign of discomfort, and I did not at all find appealing the idea of going to her website to read what “fact checkers” are writing there. It came across like she wasn’t able to respond to his claims, and so she was simply passing the buck along to her team. “I hope those fact checkers are busy” is not a good response to certain claims.
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I hated that she hawked her book at the debate!!! Teump should have said you can read my policies for free online!
 
Vouthon said:
If a person cannot remain steady and coherent during a debate, how he is going to handle the immense stresses of high office?

Trump seemed entirely rattled and jaded by the end of this 90 minute verbal tussle with Clinton.

She was totally unruffled at the end. And yet everyone has been banging on about her health. She completely tossed that issue aside and proved her stamina, whereas Trump crumpled under the pressure.

I only say it as I saw it. Had Trump been on form, I’d have conceded it.

But he looked utterly out of his depth at the end. Not good for his portfolio with regards the job.

Trump said before that he hates losers. Well…😉
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well, to be truthful, I saw Hillary look ruffled plenty of times. Trump was on the receiving end of many Hillary glares - how dare you bring up my e-mails or how dare you criticize me for this or that!
 
lmachine said:
“2+2=5.”

“I don’t think that’s right…”

“That’s just your political opinion.”
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It’s not that, it is that they cherry pick the facts to check. It is simply another way of political commentary.
 
(By the way, I would have loved to have seen Ted Cruz debating Hillary tonight.)
 
Schieffer: Debate Didn’t Sway Many Voters
HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. (CBSNewYork) — CBS News contributor Bob Schieffer doesn’t believe Monday night’s presidential debate swayed many voters across the nation.
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“I’ve never seen one where the decorum broke down the way that it did tonight. You almost never see audience responses like we saw tonight. We were expecting a different kind of debate and I think in that way that we saw one. I don’t think Donald Trump lost any votes tonight, I’m not sure Hillary Clinton gained any votes tonight,” the former “Face the Nation” moderator said on CBS News after the debate.
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Expatreprocedit said:
Instead he kept it alive for 10 minutes.
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I agree that Trump kept issues about him alive for too long. He could have easily just replied with one or two sentences when attacked about his taxes or the birther issue, and then he could have turned the issue back on to Hillary. He stayed on the defense too long, instead of hitting Hillary right back. Hillary got off way to easily, for example regarding her emails all she said was that she made a mistake and she apologized for it, then she moved right along and changed the subject quickly. All Trump had to say about releasing his taxes was that he is taking the advice of his lawyers to wait until the audit was over, and then he could of just said to Hillary: just like you’ve taken the advice of your lawyers many times.
 
Hillary took a lot of cheap shots and I think Trump bit his tongue and would have liked to have said some things back, but restrained himself.
 
7_Sorrows said:
Hillary took a lot of cheap shots and I think Trump bit his tongue and would have liked to have said some things back, but restrained himself.
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Do you think Trump was trying to play nice on the advice of his handlers? He seemed to me to be fighting against himself. Maybe next debate, we’ll see the “real” Trump again.
 
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