Yes, there are no “good old days”. Life has never been better in this country than now – when you look at everybody on average, not just privileged white folks. And certainly I don’t look for the “good old days” either (and I’m white). Life has never been better and more exciting.The “good old days” weren’t always very good for a lot of people in our country, especially people of color.
Trump frequently ran over his allotted time.I do agree that Holt seemed a bit partial toward Clinton, allowing her to keep talking and all the while rushing Trump to finish up.
According to this:CBS poll and Time magazine poll are proof that the mainstream media are slanted against Trump and slanted in favor of Hillary. Trump won the debate, but CNN tried to say he lost.
The CNN poll is is +15 Democrat. It’s ridiculous… it’s almost laughable. The Democrat turnout was +6 in 2012, and President Barack Obama, I’m guessing (please correct me if I am wrong), probably had far higher favourable ratings in 2012 than Hillary Clinton is favoured currently.CNN poll of “debate watchers” (which skewed Dem by 15 points) said Clinton won 62-27%.
I am not sure how accurate some of these instant polls are, but almost all online polls show that Trump won, sometimes by a huge amount.According to this:
The CNN poll is is +15 Democrat. It’s ridiculous… it’s almost laughable. The Democrat turnout was +6 in 2012, and President Barack Obama, I’m guessing (please correct me if I am wrong), probably had far higher favourable ratings in 2012 than Hillary Clinton is favoured currently.
I’ve gone into the CNN poll in post #183.Focus groups on FOX and CNN both say overwhelmingly Clinton won the debate.
On FOX, Frank Luntz had a focus group. 16 said Clinton won. 6 Trump.
CNN’s focus group of undecideds in Orlando FL, a swing state: 18 said Clinton won. Only 2 thought Trump won.
mediaite.com/tv/focus-groups-on-cnn-fox-overwhelmingly-say-clinton-won-debate/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+mediaite%2FxXeM+%28Mediaite%29
CNN/ORC poll 62% Clinton won. Only 27% Trump.
cnn.com/2016/09/26/politics/presidential-debate-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/
One link stated out of 30 websites that had polls Hillary only won 3 polls.I am not sure how accurate some of these instant polls are, but almost all online polls show that Trump won, sometimes by a huge amount.
theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/09/26/polls-polls-polls-ok-who-won-the-debate/
infowars.com/poll-who-won-the-first-presidential-debate/
I disagree. Our country has seen better days.Yes, there are no “good old days”. Life has never been better in this country than now – when you look at everybody on average, not just privileged white folks. And certainly I don’t look for the “good old days” either (and I’m white). Life has never been better and more exciting.
Which?I disagree. Our country has seen better days.
The 80’s and the 90’s and the 50’s and 60’s weren’t bad either. Our country has really gone downhill since 2007.Which?
That is from drudge readers, so not too surprising.
No. The results from the Drudge Report and CNN are not surprising.That is from drudge readers, so not too surprising.
This. His “temperament” was terrible. He was completley unpresidential. He was unprepared to even answer some obvious challenges (birther, taxes). He was angry, ranting, and unable to form coherent sentences half the time.I cannot believe that anyone could concieve that Trump won. I would never ever vote for Hillary, but she came across well prepared and had answers to all of the questions that were coherent and didn’t involve her saying ‘there are no jobs’ twenty times in a minute. I felt embarrassed for Trump. And that he came off as more elitist thinking that he’s the greatest thing since sliced bread because he’s a billionaire and that entitles him to be president.
When he leaned into the mic after she accused him of not paying taxes I was sure he would deny it but he said “that’s business”. I nearly choked. And how his tax policy involves cutting taxes for the wealthy? How self serving is that? I’m sorry, I cannot understand how his responses to those two things alone didn’t loose him the debate.
Both candidates got a few good punches in on various issues but I think Hillary recovered from them better.
Holt was obviously going to interrupt Trump more given that Trump kept trying to speak when he wasn’t suposed to. Hillary did it too but Trump was more rude about it. Also Trump refused to answer some questions like the Birther thing so Holt cut across to try and get him to stop waffling.
I guess if you really dislike Clinton it colours your opinion of her. But her ‘smug’ look was probably unavoidable because she knew she didn’t want to be accused of scowling the whole time. She probably practiced her not talking face. Unlike Trump.
Trump’s temperament comment was one of the more ironic moments in the debate for me.
Ultimately it comes down to a candidate that would be terrible for unborn babies (the ultimate no no) or a dude who comes across as embarrassingly unsuited to the job. I would probably vote for trump and feel sick afterwards or vote third party. But I don’t have a vote. I don’t envy you guys your choices this time around.
Evidently from the polls people were not that unhappy with his performance.This. His “temperament” was terrible. He was completley unpresidential. He was unprepared to even answer some obvious challenges (birther, taxes). He was angry, ranting, and unable to form coherent sentences half the time.
And no, that doesn’t mean I’m voting for Clinton. But really, there’s been poimts where everyone has said “that’s just for the primaries” or “just for the rallies” and we’re going to see a more presidential Trump somewhere. After this performance… no, this blustering man is just who he is.
Which is baffling.Evidently from the polls people were not that unhappy with his performance.
This annoyed me too, but especially that time Hillary started her two minutes and Trump kept cutting across her and Holt told him to shut up and Trump still did it.I have to say I was embarrassed at both candidates. Do they not know how to speak in a debate? When it is the other persons time you shut up and let them talk and likewise the other way. Both candidates kept trying to talk over one another and the moderator as well as speaking out of turn. If they acted like this during a formal debate with a debate club they would be quickly disqualified and lose.
Maybe next debate they should put both of them in soundproof glass boxes with a microphone that is turned off when it is not their turn, that way we could at least have a ordered debate.