First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread

[Michael68]

IMO,Trumps’sniffing was a nervous response,he was pretty worked up and I could hear it in his voice,he was breathing heavily too.

I understand. Lester Holt would not fact check HRC. I was upset too!

 

[Jeanne_S]

I understand. Lester Holt would not fact check HRC. I was upset too!

Yes.Donald Trump,was having to hold back when no doubt he really wanted to unload on Hillary.Her condescending demeanor throughout the debate had to be irritating.Teo more debates to go,should be interesting,or at least I hope so.Mon.was tedious.

 

[quies]

You’re right. I’m wrong, I apolgize. I transposed my units, and I made a calculation mistake. Instead of staying up late last night to post here…it would have been better to had just gone to bed. I accept my error, and your rightful and artful portrayal of my ignorance as being well deserved. I sincerely apologize

haha. Millie123, absolutely no apology is necessary! As you mentioned, it was late and I just couldn’t resist posting that goofy (and seemingly sarcastic) reply! The devil made me do it!

Blessings & Highest regards, Millie123

 

[gracepoole]

And that eye-crossing Hillary does could be a sign of a fatal brain tumor. But there’s no better reason to believe that than to believe Trump is bipolar.

Take it easy. I said it was speculation and I seriously doubt Trump needs you to defend him.

 

[ProVobis]

Yes.Donald Trump,was having to hold back when no doubt he really wanted to unload on Hillary.Her condescending demeanor throughout the debate had to be irritating.Teo more debates to go,should be interesting,or at least I hope so.Mon.was tedious.

You could be right. I think next time I will listen to it on radio. I found a lot of visual irritations.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Take it easy. I said it was speculation and I seriously doubt Trump needs you to defend him.

Oh, I’m taking it easy. I’m sitting here with my bottle of water and some pretzels and finding this all entertaining.

And of course Trump doesn’t need me to defend him, any more than Hillary Clinton needs you to accuse him of being bipolar. But here we are, all the same.

 

[gracepoole]

And of course Trump doesn’t need me to defend him, any more than Hillary Clinton needs you to accuse him of being bipolar. But here we are, all the same.

I’m not sure “here” is the same for us both… My post was about Trump. You brought up HRC. I didn’t “accuse him of being bipolar.” I speculated that it’s a possibility. And I certainly didn’t do it for HRC’s benefit.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

Well,I think we all knew HC would come to the debate in good form.She had plenty of time to rest and no doubt was given lots of energy inducing injections.lots and lots of that water she apparently was lacking on 911

Energy inducing injections? Why is ok to constantly speculate on her health? It’s not ok.

And no it’s not ok to speculate Trump is a coke user either.

Both are senior citizens.

She did well at this debate. She was well prepared.

He thought it was ok to just wing it. He was nervous because of her? What’s he going to do when he has to negotiate deals?

 

[stinkcat_14]

Why is that ROFL funny? He has some amazingly bright and accomplished children.No drama our scandal surrounding them as far as I know.Additionally,they are close to their father,so that speaks for itself and a credit to him:thumbsup:

Anybody who has been married three times and been unfaithful cannot be seriously considered as a champion of family values. He is certainly no role model for family values.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Energy inducing injections? Why is ok to constantly speculate on her health? It’s not ok.

And no it’s not ok to speculate Trump is a coke user either.

Both are senior citizens.

She did well at this debate. She was well prepared.

He thought it was ok to just wing it. He was nervous because of her? What’s he going to do when he has to negotiate deals?

Clearly Trump was hamstrung.I don’t doubt it took every ounce of self control on his part not to unload on HC.Thus the nervous sniffing…He knew if he did he would be criticized .She stood on that stage just like a cat who,ate a canary,goading him,knowing full well he wouldn’t counterpunch.Yes he was ill prepared,she on the other hand was pumped up,propped up,and fluffed up to look robust and healthy.That was for ninety minutes she had to pull that off.HC is anything but healthy.Everyone knows that,except for maybe those of you who ardently support her. Time will tell how this all plays out .I suspect we will see a better prepared DT next go round and it won’t bode well for Hillary.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Anybody who has been married three times and been unfaithful cannot be seriously considered as a champion of family values. He is certainly no role model for family values.

From an objective standpoint, I agree with you, as I believe the Church teaches objective truth, and divorcing one’s spouse is (for the most part) considered objectively wrong.

But Trump is a Presbyterian, and in his church divorce is pretty much okay. Even in Orthodoxy, a person gets at least one “just because” divorce, and at least one more “for good (subjective) reason” divorce. Orthodoxy doesn’t start getting upset until the third one. So subjectively from trump’s point of view, he might not have committed any wrong at all, and Orthodoxy wouldn’t be denouncing him and wouldn’t have refused his third marriage.

It is peculiar, though, that his children are not all from the same marriage, and yet we are given to understand that they get along well and do not seem to be damaged. That is very often not the case.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Anybody who has been married three times and been unfaithful cannot be seriously considered as a champion of family values. He is certainly no role model for family values.

In a prior post I did concede the fact that neither BC or Trump can be considered paragons of virtue.

 

[Inisfallen]

From an objective standpoint, I agree with you, as I believe the Church teaches objective truth, and divorcing one’s spouse is (for the most part) considered objectively wrong.

But Trump is a Presbyterian, and in his church divorce is pretty much okay.

Is publicly embarrassing and humiliating your wife and children “pretty much okay” as far as the Presbyterian church is concerned? Not just cheating on your wife, but having the pictures of your affair, and your mistress, all over the papers for your wife and children to see?

 

[meltzerboy]

I give the debate to Hillary on points even though I’m against her. Trump didn’t help by interrupting her repeatedly.

As for Trump his excuses for not releasing his tax returns are weak to non-existent. I’ve always suspected they might show he isn’t anywhere as rich as he claims but then I saw this article in Fortune, it speculates that in the 90s he might have declared himself insolvent to avoid taxes.
On the same subject, the pretty much admitted he pays little or no taxes, “it would just be wasted” and “that makes me smart”. I wonder how that goes over with his base?

You can be assured Trump’s base does not care about such matters. They will support him to the bitter end.

 

[Jeanne_S]

You can be assured Trump’s base does not care about such matters. They will support him to the bitter end.

considering the the other option,is it any surprise?

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

You can be assured Trump’s base does not care about such matters. They will support him to the bitter end.

Or the happy end…

 

[Ridgerunner]

Is publicly embarrassing and humiliating your wife and children “pretty much okay” as far as the Presbyterian church is concerned? Not just cheating on your wife, but having the pictures of your affair, and your mistress, all over the papers for your wife and children to see?

I didn’t say I thought the divorces, etc, were okay. I said to the contrary.

I have never seen the pictures you’re talking about. Perhaps you could post them with the publications that had them. Reliable ones.

If, indeed, someone caught a photo of him with someone who was his mistress, I think it’s as bad as Bill Clinton publicly pictured with Monica Lewinsky with a cigar (perhaps the cigar in his mouth. And it’s every bit as bad as JFK in that film with Marilyn Monroe oozing all over him while singing “happy birthday” (why was he with HER on his birthday instead of his family?). And it’s just as bad as FDR “resting up” at Warm Springs with his mistress and everybody knowing it, including their children.

Just how many divorces do you think are NOT preceded by potentially photo-able get-togethers with the “other person”? Probably not many. If the Presbyterian church countenances divorce, which it does, then it likely “tut-tuts” the preceding events much as Catholics who support Hillary Clinton “tut-tut” the far worse advocacy of abortion on demand. Trump, JFK, FDR, Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton (for countenancing an “open marriage”) were all involved in immoral acts to the extent they were involved in infidelity. But Trump, JFK, FDR were not activists for the killing of children, which Hillary Clinton is. Do you really think those things are morally equivalent?

His children, however, seem to think well of him, despite all.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

I didn’t say I thought the divorces, etc, were okay. I said to the contrary.

I have never seen the pictures you’re talking about. Perhaps you could post them with the publications that had them. Reliable ones.

If, indeed, someone caught a photo of him with someone who was his mistress, I think it’s as bad as Bill Clinton publicly pictured with Monica Lewinsky with a cigar (perhaps the cigar in his mouth. And it’s every bit as bad as JFK in that film with Marilyn Monroe oozing all over him while singing “happy birthday” (why was he with HER on his birthday instead of his family?). And it’s just as bad as FDR “resting up” at Warm Springs with his mistress and everybody knowing it, including their children.

Just how many divorces do you think are NOT preceded by potentially photo-able get-togethers with the “other person”? Probably not many. If the Presbyterian church countenances divorce, which it does, then it likely “tut-tuts” the preceding events much as Catholics who support Hillary Clinton “tut-tut” the far worse advocacy of abortion on demand. Trump, JFK, FDR, Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton (for countenancing an “open marriage”) were all involved in immoral acts to the extent they were involved in infidelity. But Trump, JFK, FDR were not activists for the killing of children, which Hillary Clinton is. Do you really think those things are morally equivalent?

His children, however, seem to think well of him, despite all.

Marilyn Monroe was one of the performers at a birthday celebration for JFK at Madison square garden. It wasn’t a video of a private moment. Marilyn was on stage, he was in the audience. It was a fundraiser for the Democratic Party.

 

[Al_Moritz]

I’ll just say it’s a little weird to see a man who cheated on Wife Number 1 with Wife Number 2, and is now on Wife Number 3 being described on a Catholic forum by devout Catholics as a ‘family man’. Did I step into the Twilight Zone version of CAF here?

Yes, you did. The self-delusion of some of my fellow Catholics when it comes to Trump is remarkable.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

Clearly Trump was hamstrung.I don’t doubt it took every ounce of self control on his part not to unload on HC.Thus the nervous sniffing…He knew if he did he would be criticized .She stood on that stage just like a cat who,ate a canary,goading him,knowing full well he wouldn’t counterpunch.Yes he was ill prepared,she on the other hand was pumped up,propped up,and fluffed up to look robust and healthy.That was for ninety minutes she had to pull that off.HC is anything but healthy.Everyone knows that,except for maybe those of you who ardently support her. Time will tell how this all plays out .I suspect we will see a better prepared DT next go round and it won’t bode well for Hillary.

I don’t support her.

I don’t support him.

But what’s fair is fair. She did well. He didn’t.