First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread

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Inisfallen said:
Is publicly embarrassing and humiliating your wife and children “pretty much okay” as far as the Presbyterian church is concerned? Not just cheating on your wife, but having the pictures of your affair, and your mistress, all over the papers for your wife and children to see?
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There once was a man who saw another’s man’s wife and lusted after her … a man of power and influence he was able to have the woman brought to him …

This man took her to his bed …

When the woman was found to be with child he had her husband murdered …

This man had many wives [yes - plural - wives] and used women for gratification who were not his wife

And God was able to use this man to lead a Nation …

God even blessed the man and the woman whose husband was murdered with a son who later ruled over the Nation …

I know that I am not the person I was 30 years ago - and I have made some awful decisions in my life I wish I never made … but I have grown up… yes - repented and learned from my mistakes …

In this election - we have a political party - whose platform states unequivocally its goal to promote the evil of abortion - not just here in America but exported to other nations around the globe - millions of lives are at stake.

Religious liberty and tolerance is at risk - where Catholic institutions like hospitals are being forced to provide abortions and cover services like contraception - sadly already many Catholic Hospitals like St Charles Medical Center in Bend Oregon are giving up their Catholic affiliation and identity in order to perform sterilizations and other ‘services’ that are in opposition to Church teaching.

Supreme Court life time appointments are at stake - one candidate has said they will nominate justices who will protect the right to murder unborn children at will - in line with their party platform.

A Catholic who publicly touts their Catholic identity while even more publicly promotes abortion support, same sex marriage support and other ideas in conflict with Church teaching has again been selected as the VP - joining the current VP who publicly touts his Catholic identity while even more publicly supports abortion and who performed a same sex marriage in his house … The Democratic party is using these men to promote the idea that this is what being a faithful Catholic looks like …

Trump - flawed man that he is - seems to be listening … he says he will put forth pro-Life judges. His children do seem to be loving caring human beings concerned with family unity [in spite of the divorces and re-marriages - but then - I cannot throw stones from my glass house] and who have a strong commitment to service. I think - like G W Bush, perhaps Trump touts his business acumen and tough guy business owner more than his kinder gentler side …

Perhaps [and I pray it is so] God is molding Trump to be better than even Trump imagines … like the story of the Man I started with whom I assume you all know by name
 
Indigo_Cardinal said:
I’ll just say it’s a little weird to see a man who cheated on Wife Number 1 with Wife Number 2, and is now on Wife Number 3 being described on a Catholic forum by devout Catholics as a ‘family man’. Did I step into the Twilight Zone version of CAF here?
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And here’s what kind of “family man” Donald Trump is:
“I mean, I won’t do anything to take care of them [his kids]. I’ll supply funds and she’ll take care of the kids . It’s not like I’m gonna be walking the kids down Central Park,” Trump said in a 2005 interview with Howard Stern. “Marla used to say, ‘I can’t believe you’re not walking Tiffany down the street,’ you know in a carriage. Right, I’m gonna be walking down Fifth Avenue with a baby in a carriage. It just didn’t work.”
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And would Trump ever change one of his kid’s diapers when they were babies?
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“No, I don’t do that,” Trump said on the Opie and Anthony show in 2005. “There’s a lot of women out there that demand that the husband act like the wife and you know there’s a lot of husbands that listen to that… I’m really like a great father but certain things you do and certain things you don’t. It’s just not for me.”
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Thorolfr said:
And here’s what kind of “family man” Donald Trump is:

And would Trump ever change one of his kid’s diapers when they were babies?
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So, this is what American politics has come to. Diaper changers…

See this is where people are wrong. Trump is not the “circus act” the media would have you believe people who argue about who changed more diapers amoung the candidates are.

But as long as we are rolling around in the mud here. I think trump is more maternal than Hillary…

I’ll bet she never used the wipes with aloe…

Probably one of those cloth diaper people…
 
Thorolfr said:
And here’s what kind of “family man” Donald Trump is:

And would Trump ever change one of his kid’s diapers when they were babies?
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Yes - a very common response from a man in his era … he is one of many many men who never changed a diaper. Though some men did in reality change a few when they had to - they just never admitted it - ever :eek: … cooking the bacon, changing diapers and pushing the baby carriages was viewed as women’s work … bringing home the bacon, yard work and changing the oil was men’s work

And even some men now days feel that way as well - though far fewer I am sure.

At least he said he would provide for them … maybe he even hired a nanny and housekeeper so mom got a break 🙂 … and a gardener and mechanic so he did - creating jobs for people … 😉

I am not sure how old you are … but really - either you remember or you do have connections across generational lines 😃
 
Jeanne_S said:
She only did well stylistically
Not on substance,
Trump trumped her on substance and failed on his delivery.
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You mean his substance about not paying taxes and then complaining that we have terrible infrastructure including airports like a third world country? Or the substance of why he kept pushing the birther stuff for years and years?
 
Thorolfr said:
You mean his substance about not paying taxes and then complaining that we have terrible infrastructure including airports like a third world country? Or the substance of why he kept pushing the birther stuff for years and years?
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Yeah,that…:rolleyes:
 
For those who laugh at the idea of Trump being a family man would probably describe JFK and Bill Clinton as family men despite the number of times each was guilty of being unfaithful to their wives. But that is the hypocrisy of the left.
 
7_Sorrows said:
He hasn’t abandoned any of his children from earlier marriages and has remained a father figure to them and they are close. That speaks volumes.
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And I wonder what his sons have learned from their father about how they should treat women, including their wives? Do you think he’s been a good role model for them?
 
Thorolfr said:
And I wonder what his sons have learned from their father about how they should treat women, including their wives? Do you think he’s been a good role model for them?
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i wonder what Chelsea Clinton learned about relationships from her father’s various (and very public) indiscretions.
 
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Thorolfr said:
And I wonder what his sons have learned from their father about how they should treat women, including their wives? Do you think he’s been a good role model for them?
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Perhaps he told them not to make the same mistakes he did. Something like - you know I messed up big time - and I did not even have the anonymity of the average Joe because of my position in the community. I wish you had not had to witness it and live with the consequences. I have tried to do my best with my brokenness - but my hope is you will learn from my mistakes and you won’t follow in my footsteps with marrying without truly being committed … I want you to be real men who are loving, faithful and great husbands and fathers …

Or something similar …

In that respect he could have modeled very well .

I hope he had a similar talk with his daughters and told them he wanted them to marry a man who did not act like he did when he was unfaithful that he wanted them to marry a man who is loving, faithful and a great husband and father …

Do you really think that Trump and his family are somehow not like every family? -

You and your family may have no sin, no errors of judgement, no regrets and always exhibit moral perfections …

Most families are not that fortunate - many families make mistakes, they ave regrets, they pick themselves up, make amends, try to avoid making the same mistakes …

My family has every kind of issue … sadly … some are obstinate in their foibles and sinful actions … more often - they improve … they grow up, they find their responsibility bone and use it … they mature … I think every generation gets a little better in many ways - though not in all ways … but alas - that is another topic for another thread 😉
 
7_Sorrows said:
For those who laugh at the idea of Trump being a family man would probably describe JFK and Bill Clinton as family men despite the number of times each was guilty of being unfaithful to their wives. But that is the hypocrisy of the left.
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The Clintons and the Kennedys marriages kept their vows to each other, in the face of terrible marital hardships. Is this not what the Catholic Church teaches and desires?

That said, of course Mr. Trump is a family man. And his family includes three wives.
 
Little_Sheep said:
The Clintons and the Kennedys marriages kept their vows to each other, in the face of terrible marital hardships. Is this not what the Catholic Church teaches and desires?

That said, of course Mr. Trump is a family man. And his family includes three wives.
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No…
The Catholic Church teaches that marital infidelity is breaking your vows.

In all fairness I will say that it was not Hilary who broke her vows, but her husband.

I still will not vote for her…

Millions of innocent lives sway my vote.
 
Little_Sheep said:
The Clintons and the Kennedys marriages kept their vows to each other, in the face of terrible marital hardships. Is this not what the Catholic Church teaches and desires?

That said, of course Mr. Trump is a family man. And his family includes three wives.
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While I don’t think it’s fair to pretend to know what a marriage is like unless you are in it, I don’t think you are going down the right road here.

Are you saying that the clintons theological and sacramental understanding of marriage beween one man and one woman for life is what the factor was here?
 
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