First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread

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I could really care less about the tax returns. what is more telling is that he seems to continually be under audit. is someone from the IRS out to get him like they have targeted so many others?
Conspiracy theories. He claims to have been under continual audit. Trump only stepped into the political arena in the last few years. What reason would there be for an IRS conspiracy to target him prior to then?
 
If that is all the FEC requires then that’s it. Enough!
Breaking with years of precedent. His entire campaign hinges on his “business acumen”. So lets open the books and see how much his acumen has made him. Let’s see how much goes to charity.

Better yet, let’s see how much of the “fair share” he’s paying.
 
FEC disclosures aren’t the same thing. You know it, I know it, Trump knows it.:rolleyes:
But you act as though there is some requirement to do more. You can say he should, or there is precedence, but Trump has done what is required. Granted, it is easy to attack him on since there is precedent, but there is no violation here.
 
Breaking with years of precedent. His entire campaign hinges on his “business acumen”. So lets open the books and see how much his acumen has made him. Let’s see how much goes to charity.

Better yet, let’s see how much of the “fair share” he’s paying.
His whole campaign has broke with precedent. Deal with it. That’s what people want. We are tired of the same old thing repackaged as something new!!!
 
Breaking with years of precedent. His entire campaign hinges on his “business acumen”. So lets open the books and see how much his acumen has made him. Let’s see how much goes to charity.

Better yet, let’s see how much of the “fair share” he’s paying.
You can shout and demand anything you want, but he has no obligation to listen. Whether or not it hurts him remains to be seen, but there are things I’d love to demand from both candidates that I have no legal ground to enforce. Continue to shout all you want, but honestly, when the candidates have such different visions for what they propose, the continued concern for things like tax records, comments made from a rape case, and the like seem like noise to me. I’d prefer details on what they will do as President with the real challenges we have today.
 
Oh, I fully agree with you. I think Trump did quite well for the first twenty minutes or so, but seemed to become discombobulated as time went on. I think he got the sense that Holt and Clinton were somehow tag-teaming him and his points were being undermined by how questions were asked or soft-balled over to Hillary to throw in the “zingers” she had planned. I think there is evidence of signaling between Holt and Clinton. I think Trump panicked because he expected a fair debate, but saw that it wouldn’t be that at all. That unraveled him towards the end. He did show his unwillingness to be unscrupulous at the end, which – to informed observers who were paying attention – was far more significant than Clinton showing she would continue to “play the game of politics” with absolutely NO restrictions.

Her gloating the next day was especially off-putting.
Were you watching the same debate?

I think the host was just attempting to get Trump to answer the question(s). Donald would go off on a tangent every time he was asked a question. Such as when asked the question regarding; was he for the War in Iraq? After a long winded answer he redirected the discussion to the subject of temperament.

Did he really want to go there? Com’on, the press has been all over him because of his temperament. I was a supporter earlier during the primaries. However, it is many of the stupid comments that he just has a habit of firing off that made me think; I can’t support this nut job!

Anyway, Clinton returned a “whew” that received chuckles from the audience and proceeded to give a composed response regarding NATO. Definitely, shooting Donald down…

I like Trump’s “outsider” status, but he is not polished at all and that disturbs me.
 
Breaking with years of precedent. His entire campaign hinges on his “business acumen”. So lets open the books and see how much his acumen has made him. Let’s see how much goes to charity.

Better yet, let’s see how much of the “fair share” he’s paying.
If you have ever seen the apprentice you know he gives millions to charity.

Hey, guess what, trump is s rich man who probably gets every tax hole or technicality there is. Which has kind of been his point. “The system is corrupt, more than you can imagine, I know because I benifit from it”.
 
If you have ever seen the apprentice you know he gives millions to charity.

Hey, guess what, trump is s rich man who probably gets every tax hole or technicality there is. Which has kind of been his point. “The system is corrupt, more than you can imagine, I know because I benifit from it”.
Sounds like someone steeped in the art of deception … just the type of person we want to be president! (/cassandra).
 
If you have ever seen the apprentice you know he gives millions to charity.

Hey, guess what, trump is s rich man who probably gets every tax hole or technicality there is. Which has kind of been his point. “The system is corrupt, more than you can imagine, I know because I benifit from it”.
Leaving Hillary aside for the time being, if Trump has indeed admitted that he benefits from the corrupt system, do you think he has much incentive to attempt to change it in an effort to “make America great again”?
 
Were you watching the same debate?

I think the host was just attempting to get Trump to answer the question(s). Donald would go off on a tangent every time he was asked a question. Such as when asked the question regarding; was he for the War in Iraq? After a long winded answer he redirected the discussion to the subject of temperament.
It’s like a Christian, a Jew and an atheist watching The Passion of the Christ. They see three completely different movies.
 
Yes, he wants to change it to benefit the middle class
Both major presidential candidates say they want to benefit the middle class. I would wager that every political candidate says as much. However, if a candidate is himself benefiting from the corruption, how can we believe he wants to change the system in favor of someone else?
 
Leaving Hillary aside for the time being, if Trump has indeed admitted that he benefits from the corrupt system, do you think he has much incentive to attempt to change it in an effort to “make America great again”?
The point is everyone benefits from a convoluted tax code with loopholes. Do you know ANYONE who has run for President that hasn’t? Does any one think Hillary doesn’t have deductions, or find loopholes? Is every deduction I take a shot at my moral compass? Of course not. I give him credit for actually addressing something that most folks avoid.

And the argument over what a private citizen who had no legislative authority said in 2003 about the Iraq War is the biggest waste of time in this election. Come on folks. Frankly, even rehashing Hillary’s support for the war with a yes vote seems pointless, but at least she was in Congress. Only NBC would waste valuable time for viewers to decide about serious issues to argue over what’s Trump’s opinion was 13 years ago as a private citizen. And people will complain about the state of American politics, at the same time discussing such useless trivialities.
 
Both major presidential candidates say they want to benefit the middle class. I would wager that every political candidate says as much. However, if a candidate is himself benefiting from the corruption, how can we believe he wants to change the system in favor of someone else?
Hillary’s has more large donors from Wall Street. And we are expected to believe she wants to help the little guy and tax the wealthy?

We could play this game all day.
 
Hillary’s has more large donors from Wall Street. And we are expected to believe she wants to help the little guy and tax the wealthy?

We could play this game all day.
I don’t believe Hillary either, who has adopted the mantra of Bernie Sanders. Only he seemed sincere, as opposed to both Trump and Hillary.
 
The point is everyone benefits from a convoluted tax code with loopholes. Do you know ANYONE who has run for President that hasn’t? Does any one think Hillary doesn’t have deductions, or find loopholes? Is every deduction I take a shot at my moral compass? Of course not. I give him credit for actually addressing something that most folks avoid.

And the argument over what a private citizen who had no legislative authority said in 2003 about the Iraq War is the biggest waste of time in this election. Come on folks. Frankly, even rehashing Hillary’s support for the war with a yes vote seems pointless, but at least she was in Congress. Only NBC would waste valuable time for viewers to decide about serious issues to argue over what’s Trump’s opinion was 13 years ago as a private citizen. And people will complain about the state of American politics, at the same time discussing such useless trivialities.
LOL Especially when he told it to Howard Stern!!! Yes an award winning Five star journalist !!!Give me a break
 
I don’t believe Hillary either, who has adopted the mantra of Bernie Sanders. Only he seemed sincere, as opposed to both Trump and Hillary.
Sincere maybe, but in my opinion low on thought-out solutions to problems, high on slogans.
 
If you have ever seen the apprentice you know he gives millions to charity.

Hey, guess what, trump is s rich man who probably gets every tax hole or technicality there is. Which has kind of been his point. “The system is corrupt, more than you can imagine, I know because I benifit from it”.
I’ll take the facts on paper please. Not the what he shows for reality tv.
 
Report on Trump company’s Cuba dealings could affect crucial Florida vote

In a development that could cost Donald Trump crucial Cuban-American votes, his casino company once violated the U.S. embargo of Cuba by secretly funding a business foray on the communist island, Newsweek reported this morning.

Trump’s casino company “funneled” at least $68,000 in late 1998 to a consulting firm that traveled to the island in search of business opportunities on Trump’s behalf, Newsweek reported in its cover story called “The Castro Connection.” The article alleges the consultant then billed Trump’s company and instructed his employees on how to make it look as if the trip had been connected to a Catholic charity.

If the consulting company secretly spent U.S. money in Cuba during a visit that was not licensed by the U.S. government or fully hosted by a non-U.S. entity or charity, the expenses would have violated the Cuban embargo, which is designed to starve the Castro regime of American currency.

Newsweek did not specify the exact nature of the trip or its precise date. Even if a crime occurred, the statute of limitations expired, Newsweek reported.

Hillary Clinton’s pounced on the Newsweek report.

“Trump’s business with Cuba appears to have broken the law, flouted U.S. foreign policy, and is in complete contradiction to Trump’s own repeated, public statements that he had been offered opportunities to invest in Cuba but passed them up," Clinton campaign senior adviser Jake Sullivan said in a statement. “This latest report shows once again that Trump will always put his own business interest ahead of the national interest — and has no trouble lying about it.”

(cont. at link)
 
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