First time to Mass

[RosaryCrusader]

I didn’t read all the responses but to the OP:

It looks as if you went to the new mass (the novus ordo or “N.O.”) where this is commonplace. The NO liturgy is not the Catholic liturgy per se but an ecumenized version of it. For the authentic Catholic Mass you’ll need to attend the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM) (or EF - extraordinary form) whatever you want to call it. You can then experience the Catholic Mass as the Saints for centuries have celebrated it. Best if this is done by a priest of the FSSP or SSPX since sometimes Diocesan Priests may incorporate things that may not be approved according to the traditional rubrics.

 

[mark_a]

Interesting, we have 9 children…

Congratulations on the beautiful family!

You’re already more Catholic than most Catholics.

 

[Paxvobis]

I didn’t read all the responses but to the OP:

It looks as if you went to the new mass (the novus ordo or “N.O.”) where this is commonplace. The NO liturgy is not the Catholic liturgy per se but an ecumenized version of it. For the authentic Catholic Mass you’ll need to attend the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM) (or EF - extraordinary form) whatever you want to call it. You can then experience the Catholic Mass as the Saints for centuries have celebrated it. Best if this is done by a priest of the FSSP or SSPX since sometimes Diocesan Priests may incorporate things that may not be approved according to the traditional rubrics.

With all respect, I don’t think it’s right to tell the OP that the ordinary form of the Mass in the Latin Rite Catholic Church is “ecumenized” and inauthentic in and of itself. A properly celebrated OF is quite beautiful and quite expressive of Catholic tradition. It is the same Mass that the Holy Father celebrates after all, and if it’s okay by him, it’s okay by me (btw, I prefer the TLM).

 

[YoungTradCath]

I didn’t read all the responses but to the OP:

It looks as if you went to the new mass (the novus ordo or “N.O.”) where this is commonplace. The NO liturgy is not the Catholic liturgy per se but an ecumenized version of it. For the authentic Catholic Mass you’ll need to attend the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM) (or EF - extraordinary form) whatever you want to call it. You can then experience the Catholic Mass as the Saints for centuries have celebrated it. Best if this is done by a priest of the FSSP or SSPX since sometimes Diocesan Priests may incorporate things that may not be approved according to the traditional rubrics.

I’d modify your post before someone less nice than me reports it…

 

[TrueLight]

I’d modify your post before someone less nice than me reports it…

LOL, yes. Or give a real nice mea culpa.

 

[Mrs_Sally]

I didn’t read all the responses but to the OP:

It looks as if you went to the new mass (the novus ordo or “N.O.”) where this is commonplace. The NO liturgy is not the Catholic liturgy per se but an ecumenized version of it. For the authentic Catholic Mass you’ll need to attend the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM) (or EF - extraordinary form) whatever you want to call it. You can then experience the Catholic Mass as the Saints for centuries have celebrated it. Best if this is done by a priest of the FSSP or SSPX since sometimes Diocesan Priests may incorporate things that may not be approved according to the traditional rubrics.

This post is incorrect. And I will report it, if you don’t amend it.

The SSPX is currently not somewhere to direct people who are investigating the church. Their situation is irregular.

The Ordinary Form (Norvus Ordo) is exactly that – the ordinary form of the Latin Mass. Anyone attending such a Mass will attend a completely Catholic Mass.

FSSP parishes are fine, if there is one close to the OP. Ordinary diocesan parishes are in full communion with Rome and the vast majority of diocesan priests celebrate Mass according to all the rubrics.

Please think twice before violating the forum rules to this extent in the future.

 

[joanofarc2008]

I didn’t read all the responses but to the OP:

It looks as if you went to the new mass (the novus ordo or “N.O.”) where this is commonplace. The NO liturgy is not the Catholic liturgy per se but an ecumenized version of it. For the authentic Catholic Mass you’ll need to attend the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM) (or EF - extraordinary form) whatever you want to call it. You can then experience the Catholic Mass as the Saints for centuries have celebrated it. Best if this is done by a priest of the FSSP or SSPX since sometimes Diocesan Priests may incorporate things that may not be approved according to the traditional rubrics.

I don’t think telling a newcomer to attend a group whose Sacraments are in question as to their validity is really a wise or pastoral move.

 

[RosaryCrusader]

To those who found fault with what I posted: first, I’m not going to change anything I wrote. Second, in all politeness you need to educate yourself. There’s volumes of info on the subject of the novus ordo from high ranking prelates in ‘full communion’ with Rome who say the same thing, even someone such as Michael Voris (Real Catholic TV) states the novus ordo is not THE Catholic Mass per se and he’s right, it’s not, it’s a fabricated on the spot liturgy as Cardinal Ratzinger once put it.

Concerning SSPX Masses - even Rome acknowledges you can go as long as it’s solely out of a desire for the TLM - all I’m saying is what the Vatican is saying - if you take issue with that then write Rome. If there’s no FSSP or other canonically recognized group offering the TLM in someone’s area I recommend the SSPX since you know they’re going to be offering only the Catholic Faith and none of the gobbledygook.

 

[YoungTradCath]

To those who found fault with what I posted: first, I’m not going to change anything I wrote. Second, in all politeness you need to educate yourself. There’s volumes of info on the subject of the novus ordo from high ranking prelates in ‘full communion’ with Rome who say the same thing, even someone such as Michael Voris (Real Catholic TV) states the novus ordo is not THE Catholic Mass per se and he’s right, it’s not, it’s a fabricated on the spot liturgy as Cardinal Ratzinger once put it.

Concerning SSPX Masses - even Rome acknowledges you can go as long as it’s solely out of a desire for the TLM - all I’m saying is what the Vatican is saying - if you take issue with that then write Rome. If there’s no FSSP or other canonically recognized group offering the TLM in someone’s area I recommend the SSPX since you know they’re going to be offering only the Catholic Faith and none of the gobbledygook.

Okay… first of all, who on earth CARES what Michael Voris says? He holds no canonical authority at any level in the church. I understand the sentiments you’re expressing, and in fact, I agree with them on one level or another, but I think you’re being quite rude and actually very wrong in how you’re expressing them. We certainly don’t want to lead a potentially ELEVEN (man, woman, 9 kids) into schism. The SSPX certainly is canonically irregular. That much is irrefutable. Sure, it’s ok to go to their masses and receive their sacraments. As long as you know their precarious position within the church as well.

 

[liturgyluver]

To those who found fault with what I posted: first, I’m not going to change anything I wrote. Second, in all politeness you need to educate yourself. There’s volumes of info on the subject of the novus ordo from high ranking prelates in ‘full communion’ with Rome who say the same thing, even someone such as Michael Voris (Real Catholic TV) states the novus ordo is not THE Catholic Mass per se and he’s right, it’s not, it’s a fabricated on the spot liturgy as Cardinal Ratzinger once put it.

That may be the case, but who cares? The point is that if you go to the average Catholic Church that is the rite that you will be presented with: in the vernacular, and westward facing. It’s pointless trying to argue that a liturgy that is only used at best in 5% of Catholic churches on occassion is the definitive model when that is patently not the case, nor the experience of most of the 1bn Catholics on the planet!!

 

[Eric_Hilbert]

CPMR

 

[Michael_Francis]

Keep the following in mind. Sticky: Discussing the EF and OF
Thank you to those who already have responded with obedience to the above link.
God’s peace,

 

[Tighty_Whitey]

I think your sample size is very small. The Church is mighty big. There is a wide range of attire at my church. There are 3,500 registered families. On the way to my church I drive right past an Episcopal Church and a Methodist Church. The people in both of those parrishes dress to the nines! Nearly every single man is in a suit and tie and most of the women wear dresses. I really don’t have an answer as to why some Catholic Churches are so casual. I will say that I attended services in German a few years back and was reprimanded because I happened to put my hands in my pockets! I was startled and somewhat taken aback but it brought home that local custom in a significant factor on this issue.

 

[YoungTradCath]

I think your sample size is very small. The Church is mighty big. There is a wide range of attire at my church. There are 3,500 registered families. On the way to my church I drive right past an Episcopal Church and a Methodist Church. The people in both of those parishes dress to the nines! Nearly every single man is in a suit and tie and most of the women wear dresses. *** I really don’t have an answer as to why some Catholic Churches are so casual.*** I will say that I attended services in German a few years back and was reprimanded because I happened to put my hands in my pockets! I was startled and somewhat taken aback but it brought home that local custom in a significant factor on this issue.

Because of the degeneration of catechesis and lack of expectations.

 

[Melchior_1]

Things I learned from this thread:

• The EF never has abuses. Ever. You can go there and there’s never any abuses, your mind can be clear.
• The only place for sound teaching and decorum is at the EF.
• You can tell how Catholic someone is by the clothes they wear.
• You can tell how Catholic a family is by the size of their family. or at the very least larger families have more respect.
• The EF hasn’t lost anything, but the OF has lost “something” (which means apparently it’s incomplete somehow…?)
• Priests at the OF rush things. EF priests never do.

Am I missing anything?

 

[vsedriver]

I don’t think I can, but if you come to understand, pm me with the answer(s).

One observation though:

I have noticed that large Catholic families do not behave/dress this way. The kids, even the little ones, are well behaved, quiet, and respectful.

I didn’t know large Catholic families have a corner on the respect market. I’m from a large Catholic family, 6 kids. I’m the only practicing Catholic. I have a small family, only 2 kids. But both are good, respectful practicing Catholics. They’ve gone from being altar boys to assisting with more adult duties. The volunteer regularly. My youngest has the Catholic boy scout badge that requires 6 months of study to earn.

All I see on this thread is judgment on the level of people’s reverence. We have a NO Mass and it is very reverent. We still get teenagers in jeans and T-shirts. But they are reverent in Mass and they are there every Sunday. I grew up with the Latin Mass and believe me there were a lot of people just going through the motions during those Masses too.

Both forms of the Mass have their own reverence and both are the Mass. I no longer worry about what the people are wearing or doing at Mass. I leave all of that to the mercy of God. I’m there for the Eucharist. I won’t judge others beyond at least they are there which is more than I can say for my siblings.

 

[joanofarc2008]

Of course then again I have also attended Mass in a neighborhood where not everyone can afford nice clothes. Those that can do wear them. Those that can’t come in clean clothes. God knows their hearts.

 

[YoungTradCath]

Of course then again I have also attended Mass in a neighborhood where not everyone can afford nice clothes. Those that can do wear them. Those that can’t come in clean clothes. God knows their hearts.

As many have said in other threads, respectful and modest dress does not necessarily mean finery, or even imply it. But some people like to equate the two when they’re expected to dress in a certain way, and that it’s somehow infringing on some “right” they have.