First visit to an Eastern Church?

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. We can walk up at Orthodox Communion, Hands crossed on our Shoulders, to receive Their Blessing with the Cup on our Forehead; Same as Non-Catholics receive blessing instead of Communion by the Priest.
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  1. I don’t know any Orthodox Priest who would encourage a non-Orthodox Christian to join the line at the time for the Reception of the Holy Gifts in order to receive a blessing. They would be told to approach and kiss the Cross and receive antidoron at the end of the Liturgy.
  2. Non-Catholics are not encouraged by the CHURCH to approach the priest during Communion for a Blessing . This is a pious custom that has crept into common practice and is not approved by the Church Authorities
 
Thanks everyone for the responses.
5Loaves said:
Aren’t you in NYC? I don’t think you’ll find pews at St. Michael’s “Russian Catholic Church of Byzantine Rite”, nor Eucharist at a Vespers… but I could be wrong.
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:eek: Looks like I’ll have to wear flats then. 😃
If you aren’t going up for Holy Eucharist in your Latin parish why would it seem odd to you to not receive it in an Eastern Catholic parish?
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It won’t seem odd. People are used to me not going up mass after mass in the parishes I attend. I am not going to be a visitor and stand there while most people go up. It’s a frustration thing (no nagging necessary, please). 😃
The Catechumens depart in a Roman Rite Mass at this same time, if they are in the Catechumenate, to go “break open the Word”. In the Roman Rite this part is called the Liturgy of the Word now, but it was previously called the Mass/Liturgy of the Catechumens in the Roman Rite as it is still called in the Divine Liturgy.
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I have read about this on these forums. It doesn’t happen in the EF mass and the few OF masses I attended didn’t signal that time in any way. It’s possible it was happening and I wasn’t aware of it.
  1. Non-Catholics are not encouraged by the CHURCH to approach the priest during Communion for a Blessing . This is a pious custom that has crept into common practice and is not approved by the Church Authorities
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Yeah. I don’t do that where I am now. The final blessing is enough.
Eastern Parishes won’t confuse you with terms though. If it just says Vespers, there is no Holy Communion. If it says Vesperal Divine Liturgy, then it has.
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Okay. Thanks for the clarification of terms.
Look it up at website of the parish or, if they don’t have a website, call ahead and ask. That is the best advice I can give you.
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That’s just what I’ll do!
 
If you are going to St Michael’s, you can find info on them, including a link to their website, here
 
Diakonia said:
If you are going to St Michael’s, you can find info on them, including a link to their website, here
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Thanks!

I called and got a nice little busy signal.

However I did notice the Saturday vespers is “Great Vespers”.

If I find a Russian Catholic or Orthodox vespers on YouTube will I have an accurate idea of the chants?
 
TrueLight said:
:eek: Looks like I’ll have to wear flats then. 😃
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I wear my Clarks which are quite unattractive but have good support and good cushioning… but you should see what the young Russian women wear at the ROCOR Cathedral here-- 5 inch heals. :eek:
It won’t seem odd. People are used to me not going up mass after mass in the parishes I attend. I am not going to be a visitor and stand there while most people go up. It’s a frustration thing (no nagging necessary, please). 😃
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Not to nag but only feedback that in my tiny parish almost never does everyone present go up for Eucharist. There are always several people who remain standing. Usually one of those going up for Eucharist will bring those who don’t go some antidoron. Since it is blest, tho not consecrated, one eating it should have followed the fast, from the previous night, but no one is asking whether people have done so. When I go to an Orthodox parish for Divine Liturgy I always do follow the fasting as if I were going to receive Eucharist even though I won’t be. And it’s rare someone doesn’t bring me antidoron when they return from communion.
 
TrueLight said:
Thanks!

I called and got a nice little busy signal.
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Oye veh. Maybe it’s the hurricane… 😉
However I did notice the Saturday vespers is “Great Vespers”.
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Excellent!
If I find a Russian Catholic or Orthodox vespers on YouTube will I have an accurate idea of the chants?
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If you go to St. Michael’s, when you go to St. Michael’s ;), please take your camera and take some photos of their temple and send them to me. 😃 With only four of our parishes in existence here in America it’s always exciting to have news about one of the others.

I don’t know what St. Michael’s does.We sing this version of O Gladsome Light. This also is like what I’ve sung in Russian Vespers. Our Sat. vespers is a Reader’s Vespers, with only 2-4 people so it’s mostly just chanted plain chant, other than O Gladsome Light and the Troparia and Kontakia, which are sung.

There is a Russian Vespers on OLTV from a 2008 Orientale Lumen Conference with music like ours. That is in a conference room with the lights on so clearly not the same as a normal vespers beginning in a dark temple. 🙂
 
5Loaves said:
I wear my Clarks which are quite unattractive but have good support and good cushioning… but you should see what the young Russian women wear at the ROCOR Cathedral here-- 5 inch heals. :eek:

Not to nag but only feedback that in my tiny parish almost never does everyone present go up for Eucharist. There are always several people who remain standing. Usually one of those going up for Eucharist will bring those who don’t go some antidoron. Since it is blest, tho not consecrated, one eating it should have followed the fast, from the previous night, but no one is asking whether people have done so. When I go to an Orthodox parish for Divine Liturgy I always do follow the fasting as if I were going to receive Eucharist even though I won’t be. And it’s rare someone doesn’t bring me antidoron when they return from communion.
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Ha ha, someone did bring me “antidoron” a the OCA parish.

I glanced at my guide and asked if I could eat it and she said sure! The person who gave it to me on the way back from communion said “Welcome”! It made me feel very welcome.
 
5Loaves said:
I wear my Clarks which are quite unattractive but have good support and good cushioning… but you should see what the young Russian women wear at the ROCOR Cathedral here-- 5 inch heals. :eek:
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5 inch heels?! I don’t understand heels as it is, but 5 inches? Either they are extreme ascetics or just crazy! 😛
 
Vico said:
5" heel, 1" platform:
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Looks about right, Vico, except I think the heel on that sample you give is too chunky-- they prefer something more stiletto heels. They do have a very interesting style of fashion! It kind of looks like they are coming from or heading to a bar for a night on the town. 😃 Our Deaf Catholic community in the East Bay shared the church and social hall with the Polish Catholic Community, The Polish women seem to like this same fashion style… but being Latins they have pews. 🙂
 
Haven’t noticed Young women have their own fashion ideas even for Mass? Too many wear shorts; my concern is parents of Children bring them to Mass in Shorts, bear shoulders, blond teased hair. Luckily, at our Tridentine Mass, many young men attend, age about 20, wearing Full Suit. My favorite at Tridentine is a Catholic middle school young lady always wearing a fancy Fedora, not shawl.
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                                                                                                                     Our  13,000  member  Traditional Catholic Church  (24/6  Eucharistic  Adoration Chapel)  generates  Many Seminarians,  Novitiates.  7  Masses  a  weekend,  7  Choirs,  all  with many Youth, including Gregorian  Chant Tridentine,  which  does  also     sing  some tradititional  English  Catholic Hymns.                                                                             Dismissal  of Catechumens  is  Orthodox  Liturgy; not  observed  at  Roman Mass,    excpt Once powerfully  symbolically dismissal/return at  The Easter Vigil  High Mass,   before receiving the  first Sacraments.
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AntalKalnoky said:
Guten Tag, Pfaffenhoffen. a few misnomers: “Catholic Orthodox” is Misnomer; They are in Full Comuinion with the Vatican, and are Known as the 22 Eastern/Byzantine Churches we can Fully Participate in each others Liturgical ways. The Orthodox Churches: mainly Greek or Russian, we can participate, but Not in Communion, and does not count for our Sunday Obligation, as Eastern/Byzantine does.
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Danke, maybe I will have to study the subject better.

see you soon…
 
AntalKalnoky said:
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This is not accurate. As I described in an earlier post the norm for the Roman Rite Ordinary Form of the Mass is that the Catechumens are dismissed after the homily for “Breaking Open the Word”. If an individual parish priest chooses to do otherwise then he is choosing an alternate to the norm for the RCIA in a parish with the Roman Rite Ordinary Form of the Mass in America.

Of course if there are no Catechumens attending that Mass then none will be dismissed.
 
5Loaves said:
This is not accurate. As I described in an earlier post the norm for the Roman Rite Ordinary Form of the Mass is that the Catechumens are dismissed after the homily for “Breaking Open the Word”. If an individual parish priest chooses to do otherwise then he is choosing an alternate to the norm for the RCIA in a parish with the Roman Rite Ordinary Form of the Mass in America.

Of course if there are no Catechumens attending that Mass then none will be dismissed.
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How do you define “Catechumens”? I am thinking RCIA students. I repeat, No one is dismissed from Church for the Consecration. No One, atheists included. I’ve been an Usher for most of 20 years, and attended Orthodox, Byzantine Divine Liturgies also. No one is ever dismissed, except briefly ‘lectors’ and such being raised by the attending Metropolitan, if I recall correctly. Please explain your point.
 
AntalKalnoky said:
How do you define “Catechumens”? I am thinking RCIA students. I repeat, No one is dismissed from Church for the Consecration. No One, atheists included. I’ve been an Usher for most of 20 years, and attended Orthodox, Byzantine Divine Liturgies also. No one is ever dismissed, except briefly ‘lectors’ and such being raised by the attending Metropolitan, if I recall correctly. Please explain your point.
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In the Byzantine Liturgy both Catholic and Orthodox after the litany of catechumens the catechumens are dismissed. All catechumens depart! All catechumens depart!, Let no catechumens remain!

In the modern Latin Rite catechumens are also dismissed if there are any present…they usually go for their formation program at that time.
 
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