I’m not saying he didn’t, but when you make a statement like that, could you please qualify it with a reference?
When you mentioned JPII, Agapewolf, I remembered seeing one of his WYD videos. If you slide the scroll pointer to approx. 3.00 minutes, it demonstrates visibly the culture of youth. I would be utterly surprised, thinking one has to be a pure stoic, if he does not find himself lifted in joy, and even tapping his foot, although his idea of reverence might restrain him from clapping.
However, that is not defined in the true sense of the word. The way the liturgy understands the word “culture” is that it pertains to indigenous peoples, natives, if you will, of missionary territories. I am afraid that perhaps your reading of it stretches the late Holy Father’s definition. Someone tried to use that same argument with Cardinal Arinze to justify liturgical dance, and, that didn’t work.
I don’t think anyone here has said that our Holy Father wasn’t behind World Youth Day. However, I suspect that some of the music used for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass will get a makeover from the Holy Father.
Although I don’t quite agree with the first half of your post, I certainly have no qualms about Taize chants. These are beautiful and can be conducive to prayer. Nonetheless, let’s see what will happen in Sydney, since George Cardinal Pell will be spearheading it and, now that Archbishop Marini is out as Papal MC, Pope Benedict’s people can have greater (name removed by moderator)ut on things.
Really? Makes no difference? Then why the need for an indult Mass to minister to traditionalists? I personally see nothing wrong with ministering to anyone.
I do not know that inculturation applies only to places with indigenous tribes. Has any document that talks about inculturation limit it thus? I know that missions are not limited to foreign missions. Some of our greatest need for missions lie in traditionally Catholic countries. South America is inundated by other religions and we must hold our own. I have oft thought it might be time for a major mission push to Europe. Of all places, that has become the most spiritual stagnant.
I consider “clapping” such an idiosyncrasy that really doesn’t have any place in the mass other than for a community’s affirmation of a candidate for ordination.
The highlighted portion constitutes the crux of the problem. There is so much of a horizontal element that has crept into these Youth Masses that it tends to forget that the Mass is the Holy Sacrifice.
Unfortunately, the charismatic movement took excessive liberties within the Mass. Recall that along with hand-clapping, hand-holding during the Pater Noster was introduced.
That attitude is a reflection on the Mass-goer, not the Mass itself. Mass is not intended to be, not should it be, entertaining. You should be there to worship God and adore Him. If that takes 90 minutes instead of 45, then so what. Buy a TiVO and watch the game later. It all reflects the priorities of the person… the gall of some people to expect us to give God 90 minutes of our time each week! What’s God worth? only 45 minutes? maybe 60 minutes? I’m sure glad that Christ did not have that attitude while he hung on the cross and died an agonizing death for all of us.
Please tell us the harm that was done, that outweighed the good that was done?
There is no evidence that holding hands came from the charismatic renewal. There are many, many theories about where it came from but no one has produced any defiinitive evidence of any single source. There is at least one poster that says he was aware of it already in the late 60’s when the Pauline Mass was introduced, which predates the Charismatic Renewal and would seem to preclude that it originated there.
Liturgical innovations such as clapping and hand-holding during the Pater Noster put the focus more on the horizontal rather than the vertical. Perhaps you should re-read Roman Revert’s citation of the former Cardinal Ratzinger’s quote on the matter. The Holy Father certainly drives that point home.
The Mass is not something that we cobble up for ourselves, nor is it meant to be some feel-good experience. The Charismatic movement’s innovations have done nothing but take away the solemnity and the divinity of the Mass and replace it with something that reduces it to a rush of feelings.
I doubt that your “research” has included an analysis of every “youth” mass in the the worldwide church or even within the US. You are using unproven generalities in support of your position that I find offensive.
Amen sister!