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[Ham1]

We should remember that “fabrication” may not have the same connotation in German as in English. Cardinal Ratzinger was not using the word as meaning “a lie, or deception.” He was using it in the sense of “put together in pieces, manufactured.” Admittedly, even in this meaning there is a negative connotation in the English use. That same negativity might not exist in the German meaning.

Does anyone know German?

I would imagine EWTN did remove because the word fabricate can mean “a lie.”

 

[TNT]

We should remember that “fabrication” may not have the same connotation in German as in English. Cardinal Ratzinger was not using the word as meaning “a lie, or deception.” He was using it in the sense of “put together in pieces, manufactured.” Admittedly, even in this meaning there is a negative connotation in the English use. That same negativity might not exist in the German meaning.

I would imagine EWTN did remove because the word fabricate can mean “a lie.”

That’s puttin the bungy cord to it, ah.
And, EWTN could mean Eery World Telepathic Nonsense.
BTW:
The “Fab”-contained quotes I gave were originated in French.

 

[BobP123]

But there are a few articles of questionable content such as this:

Remember that there is no more such thing as “questionable” content. Pope Paul VI removed the List of Forbidden Books so read away.

It works both ways, you know.

 

[BobP123]

If he really did say this (and you have completely misread Spirit of the Liturgy and his other writings on the topic) he would have restored the Tridentine Mass the day of his election, and of course branded each of the 3 previous popes as heretics.

Not necesarily heretics but be patient. No one knows he hasn’t already tried, Spirit of the Liturgy notwithstanding.

I suggest you put the Vatican in your news alert in your yahoo browser. You’d be surprised at what the Pope is doing these days.

 

[Ham1]

That’s puttin the bungy cord to it, ah.
And, EWTN could mean Eery World Telepathic Nonsense.
BTW:
The “Fab”-contained quotes I gave were originated in French.

Sorry, I don’t understand. Please explain. Especially the bungy cord reference.

If it was in French, then I guess the question I posted applies to French instead of German. I just assumed that Card. Ratzinger had written the original in German.

 

[puzzleannie]

Not necesarily heretics but be patient. No one knows he hasn’t already tried, Spirit of the Liturgy notwithstanding.

I suggest you put the Vatican in your news alert in your yahoo browser. You’d be surprised at what the Pope is doing these days.

I subscribe to Zenit daily, thank you for your concern, but you are still not going to reduce me from a generic CAtholic to some sub-class of hyphenated Catholic.

 

[St_Isidore]

We should remember that “fabrication” may not have the same connotation in German as in English. Cardinal Ratzinger was not using the word as meaning “a lie, or deception.” He was using it in the sense of “put together in pieces, manufactured.” Admittedly, even in this meaning there is a negative connotation in the English use. That same negativity might not exist in the German meaning.

Does anyone know German?

I would imagine EWTN did remove because the word fabricate can mean “a lie.”

This sounds a little like you are reaching.

We should remember that “fabrication” may not have the same connotation in German as in English.

I am not sure so could you authenticate this please.
In addition you have centered on one word instead of the whole preface.

Cardinal Ratzinger was not using the word as meaning “a lie, or deception.”

This is vague, how do you know he meant it the way your saying it is and not how it was written as shown?

That same negativity might not exist in the German meaning.

This looks like conjecture.

 

[St_Isidore]

If he really did say this (and you have completely misread Spirit of the Liturgy and his other writings on the topic) he would have restored the Tridentine Mass the day of his election, and of course branded each of the 3 previous popes as heretics.

It not a question of ‘IF’ because he did SAY it.

 

[St_Isidore]

It’s a puzzle to me that when Ratzinger says something, everyone gets accused of mis-reading?? (I really don’t know how one misreads a QUOTE),. But when a lowly TLM priest says the same thing even in a subdued fashion, well, his whole Catholicity is up for trial.
Denial of reality comes to mind.

This is a very very IMPORTANT POINT who have Unleashed here.(Good Point)
This happens very often, I would say too often. I have noticed in various discussions with others concerning many quotes by Ratz, there is always a misread misquote mislead miss something, etc., about those quotes. Is there some Ratzinger-Code that must be decoded in order to discover his meanings?
With respect to CONNOTATION suggested by the HAM1, why would Ratz be suggesting a meaning of a word apart from the thing it explicitly or describes/means? This does not do justice to his acumen nor display his prudence (unless of course this was your intention).

 

[St_Isidore]

I subscribe to Zenit daily, thank you for your concern, but you are still not going to reduce me from a generic CAtholic to some sub-class of hyphenated Catholic.

I concur, it would be nice to put the Vatican alert in your browser. I have noticed that Catholics shy away from this. Why? It does not require much time and it updates you on his current activities. I am not afraid to see what he is up to.

 

[PatienceAndLove]

I concur, it would be nice to put the Vatican alert in your browser. I have noticed that Catholics shy away from this. Why? It does not require much time and it updates you on his current activities. I am not afraid to see what he is up to.

How does one put Vatican alerts on a toolbar?

 

[St_Isidore]

How does one put Vatican alerts on a toolbar?

If you use Yahoo or have Yahoo mail, you can use the My Yahoo! page when you are signed in and in the news section you can put Vatican news as one of your favorites. Or simply what I do is go to Yahoo home page and type in Vatican News. Or the link:

news.yahoo.com/fc/World/Papacy_and_the_Vatican

Hope I helped somewhat, I admit I am not the best at using the internet.

 

[LilyM]

Do you think that Fisheaters may have faked the screenshots?

It’s not impossible - certainly anti-Catholics have faked all sorts of things over the centuries!

 

[Andreas_Hofer]

We should remember that “fabrication” may not have the same connotation in German as in English. Cardinal Ratzinger was not using the word as meaning “a lie, or deception.” He was using it in the sense of “put together in pieces, manufactured.” Admittedly, even in this meaning there is a negative connotation in the English use. That same negativity might not exist in the German meaning.

Does anyone know German?

I would imagine EWTN did remove because the word fabricate can mean “a lie.”

Is that why people are getting bent out of shape? It didn’t even occur to me that people might read “deception” at the point because the context so clearly indicates “manufacture,” which is meant to contrast with the organic development of every other rite we have ever known. I imagine hergestellt might be a good German word for the phenomenon, but I don’t know if that’s the orginal language of the remarks, anyway.

 

[Uxor]

It’s not impossible - certainly anti-Catholics have faked all sorts of things over the centuries!

Are you saying the people at Fisheaters are anti-catholic?

 

[TNT]

Are you saying the people at Fisheaters are anti-catholic?

I would hardly think that. IMHO, It was meant that if anti-catholics could do it, anyone else could as well. That’s all.
However, rest assured, Fisheaters has waaaayy more integrity than to pull such a stunt.

 

[Uxor]

I would hardly think that. IMHO, It was meant that if anti-catholics could do it, anyone else could it as well. That’s all.
However, rest assured, Fisheaters has waaaayy more integrity than to pull such a stunt.

I agree…I love Fisheaters!

 

[PatienceAndLove]

FishEaters= Uber-Cool!
but wait, I started this thread, so does my opinion count?

 

[LilyM]

Are you saying the people at Fisheaters are anti-catholic?

Anti-NO certainly - anti-EWTN as well by the looks of it.

 

[DustinsDad]

…The woman who runs the site says this in her FAQ:
"I believe each and every point of dogma in the Nicene Creed in the same manner the Church has always understood them. I believe each and every solemnly defined dogma ever offered by any Pope or Council, and fully agree with each statement given in Sacrorum Antistitum.

I believe Vatican II was a valid, pastoral Ecumenical Council convoked and approbated by true Popes. I believe the documents from the Council were badly and ambiguously written and that said documents need to be interpreted only in light of tradition.

I believe that Benedict XVI is the true Pope and that we must pray for him and his Bishops every day.

I agree with this statement. The emphasis up there is mine, and is key to all our discussions. To many folks, even to suggest that the documents of Vatican II may have been written ambiguously is tatamount to heresy and/or schism.

But then, if they weren’t written ambiguously - would the false “Spirit of Vatican II” and it’s subsequent damage to the Church have even been possible?

Honest question.

Peace in Christ,
DustinsDad