Fishing with live bait

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Xanthippe_Voorhees:
And we’re actually figuring out that many plants can “feel” things.
How is that painful to the tree if an apple drops or is picked gently from the tree? That seems to me to be totally different from the horrific suffering and pain that a fish must feel as it is caught and cut up.
Fish don’t have the same neurology as humans. Their experience of pain and even “panic” is completely different.

And if you think that the apples you get from the grocery store are “picked gently from the tree” you have no idea how food gets to your table, do you?
 
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I love fish dearly. 🙂 They are great!!
 
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Xanthippe_Voorhees:
Fish don’t have the same neurology as humans. Their experience of pain and even “panic” is completely different.
So tuna do not feel any pain at all when they are being cut up live?
Pain? If you want to call it that it’s very different than human pain. Fish don’t have nearly as complex nerve systems as humans. They don’t have the same “pain” receptors, either. They do not have the neuro-biology to be aware of their pain. If they do experience pain it’s on the cortex level and more related to a stimulus-response that would also show the same reaction to “non” painful things like dark, light, heat and cold.
 
Pain? If you want to call it that it’s very different than human pain.
“The jury’s verdict is in, and it is unanimous: fish feel pain. “In the scientific community, the question of whether fish are capable of experiencing stress, pain and fear is nearly undisputed,” the Food Empowerment Project states.
“Fish feel pain too,” agrees Discovery News’s Jennifer Viegas in her analysis of Penn State professor Victoria Braithwaite’s book on the subject, Do Fish Feel Pain? A 2009 study published in “Applied Animal Behaviour Science” also concluded that fish feel pain.”

 
Yeah, I’m going to go with real scientists over one lone professor from a decade ago.

 
I think is a ridiculous thread that everyone got sucked in to.
Bye
 
Another article which claims that fish feel pain:
“Neurobiologists have long recognized that fish have nervous systems that comprehend and respond to pain. Fish, like “higher vertebrates,” have neurotransmitters such as endorphins that relieve suffering—the only reason for their nervous systems to produce these painkillers is to alleviate pain. Researchers have created a detailed map of more than 20 pain receptors, or “nociceptors,” in fish’s mouths and heads—including those very areas where an angler’s barbed hook would penetrate a fish’s flesh. As Dr. Stephanie Yue wrote in her position paper on fish and pain, “Pain is an evolutionary adaptation that helps individuals survive . . . . [A] trait like pain perception is not likely to suddenly disappear for one particular taxonomic class.””
"Even though fish don’t have the same brain structures that humans do—fish do not have a neocortex, for example—Dr. Ian Duncan reminds us that we “have to look at behaviour and physiology,” not just anatomy. “It’s possible for a brain to evolve in different ways,” he says. “That’s what is happening in the fish line. It’s evolved in some other ways in other parts of the brain to receive pain.”
Numerous studies in recent years have demonstrated that fish feel and react to pain. "

 
Another article which claims that fish feel pain:
“Neurobiologists have long recognized that fish have nervous systems that comprehend and respond to pain. Fish, like “higher vertebrates,” have neurotransmitters such as endorphins that relieve suffering—the only reason for their nervous systems to produce these painkillers is to alleviate pain. Researchers have created a detailed map of more than 20 pain receptors, or “nociceptors,” in fish’s mouths and heads—including those very areas where an angler’s barbed hook would penetrate a fish’s flesh. As Dr. Stephanie Yue wrote in her position paper on fish and pain, “Pain is an evolutionary adaptation that helps individuals survive . . . . [A] trait like pain perception is not likely to suddenly disappear for one particular taxonomic class.””
"Even though fish don’t have the same brain structures that humans do—fish do not have a neocortex, for example—Dr. Ian Duncan reminds us that we “have to look at behaviour and physiology,” not just anatomy. “It’s possible for a brain to evolve in different ways,” he says. “That’s what is happening in the fish line. It’s evolved in some other ways in other parts of the brain to receive pain.”
Numerous studies in recent years have demonstrated that fish feel and react to pain. "
https://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/factory-farming/fish/fish-feel-pain/
Oh yay PETA

You do know that PETA sends more pets to their death than any other orginisation, right?
 
You do know that PETA sends more pets to their death than any other orginisation, right?
Possibly, but even so, many scientists say that fish feel pain. And Switzerland now has a law outlawing boiling lobsters alive.


https://www.nationalfisherman.com/national-international/switzerland-outlaws-boiling-lobsters-alive/

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...e-lobsters-in-revamped-animal-protection-laws
 
We’re going to hold up a country that aborts 100% of fetus who have Down Syndrome as the bastion of morality?

Yep. You can’t boil lobsters but you can pull children limb from limb because they are "defective. " They aren’t really concerned about pain.
 
To Fish or not to Fish.

That is the question.

I shall hold firm. I shall not be swayed. Those fish are made for eatin’, and that’s just what I’ll do.

Keep treating fish like children, they may one day walk all over you.
 
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I’m not interested in fishing but it’s not at all. The only fishing movie I liked was A River Runs Through It… technically it’s about fly fishing but it was very good.
 
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Xanthippe_Voorhees:
They aren’t really concerned about pain.
If there is no pain suffered by a lobster, why do you suppose that they passed a law outlawing the boiling of lobsters live ?
Because it’s easier “moral” pickings, I suppose, than to address their real societal ills.
 
you can pull children limb from limb because they are "defective. "
Yes it is unfortunate and wrong of course that so many pro-feminist politicians are pushing hard with their demands to legalize abortions as a woman’s choice. Hillary Clinton for example, has said that religious beliefs have to be changed in this area.


But this is somewhat off topic ?
 
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Xanthippe_Voorhees:
you can pull children limb from limb because they are "defective. "
Yes it is unfortunate and wrong of course that so many pro-feminist politicians are pushing hard to legalize abortions as a woman’s choice. Hillary Clinton for example, has said that religious beliefs have to be changed in this area.

But this is somewhat off topic ?
No. You are asserting that one country holds some kind of moral fortitude because they “recognize” the pain of a crustation. However, that same country refuses to acknowledge that human fetus’ feel pain and purposely have a genocide on those humans, it’s hard to take their proclimations about lobsters seriously.
 
Oh come on. You people are kidding right? Somehow, if you eat fish you’re cruel …because they may have felt pain??? Well tell it to the Lord when you see Him!
John 21:9-14

9 When they got out on land, they saw a charcoal fire there, with fish lying on it, and bread. 10 Jesus said to them, “Bring some of the fish that you have just caught.” 11 So Simon Peter went aboard and hauled the net ashore, full of large fish, a hundred and fifty-three of them; and although there were so many, the net was not torn. 12 Jesus said to them, “Come and have breakfast.” Now none of the disciples dared ask him, “Who are you?” They knew it was the Lord. 13 Jesus came and took the bread and gave it to them, and so with the fish. 14 This was now the third time that Jesus was revealed to the disciples after he was raised from the dead.
 
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