Five hundred lay people echo priests’ plea to stand firm on Communion for the remarried

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More than five hundred lay people have signed a letter in support of hundreds of priests who recently wrote to the Catholic Herald declaring their support for the Church’s teaching on marriage.
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The lay people’s letter, published in this week’s edition of the Catholic Herald, states: “We believe that the Church must continue to proclaim the truth about marriage, given us by Christ in the Gospels” and is signed by 505 lay persons. The letter has gained another ten signatures since the Catholic Herald went to press taking the total number to 515.
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The letter begins: “We, the undersigned, wish to endorse and support the letter signed by over 460 priests in the recent edition of the Catholic Herald.
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catholicherald.co.uk/news/2015/04/08/five-hundred-lay-people-echo-priests-plea-to-stand-firm-on-communion-for-the-remarried/
 
I leave this question up to those with actual authority on the matter.
No armchair quarterbacking from me.
 
Isn’t this like lobbying the Church or activism? Do they not even want the matter discussed?

I would love for them to discuss this and find a solution that is in line with Church teaching if possible. We don’t know what’s possible until it’s studied and discussed. Seems this group is only interested in what they *think *is possible. That’s not a good way to deal with reality because what we think is sometimes wrong.
 
J_Peterson said:
Isn’t this like lobbying the Church or activism? Do they not even want the matter discussed?

I would love for them to discuss this and find a solution that is in line with Church teaching if possible. We don’t know what’s possible until it’s studied and discussed. Seems this group is only interested in what they *think *is possible. That’s not a good way to deal with reality because what we think is sometimes wrong.
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Here is the great thing…We have a 2000 year old Church its been discussed and ruled upon. its also biblical and in line with sacred Tradition the way its handled currently. This is like rehashing Gnosticism and trying to re-determine its heretical. Its a waist of time.
 
J_Peterson said:
Isn’t this like lobbying the Church or activism? Do they not even want the matter discussed?

I would love for them to discuss this and find a solution that is in line with Church teaching if possible. We don’t know what’s possible until it’s studied and discussed. Seems this group is only interested in what they *think *is possible. That’s not a good way to deal with reality because what we think is sometimes wrong.
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What really needs to happen is the Clergy need to get to the homily and preach the truth. The leadership of our Church need to make a clear statement that this is the way the Church does it. Its not up to you and if you don’t accept it tough…repent and come back to the faith. Its really simple. There is NO way to align receiving communion in Sin with anything biblical or in the church. Its absolutely not possible.
 
ringil said:
I leave this question up to those with actual authority on the matter.
No armchair quarterbacking from me.
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Actually reading church documents you’ll find that the faithful do have a voice when they speak according to sensus fidelium.
The sensus fidei fidelis enables individual believers: 1) to discern whether or not a particular teaching or practice that they actually encounter in the Church is coherent with the true faith by which they live in the communion of the Church (see below, §§61-63); 2) to distinguish in what is preached between the essential and the secondary (§64); and 3) to determine and put into practice the witness to Jesus Christ that they should give in the particular historical and cultural context in which they live (§65).
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The sensus fidei fidelis also enables individual believers to perceive any disharmony, incoherence, or contradiction between a teaching or practice and the authentic Christian faith by which they live.
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vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_cti_20140610_sensus-fidei_en.html#2._Manifestations_of_the_sensus_fidei_in_the_personal_life_of_believers
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Tigg said:
Actually reading church documents you’ll find that the faithful do have a voice when they speak according to sensus fidelium.
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So what you are saying is that Jesus said that marriage is only once and since society at large (many catholic) believe that well that’s not really what he was saying can form a consensus and have the church teaching of marriage changed? Or on receiving communion in a state of sin?
 
Ultimately I’m not sure what the import of all that is, though, as one could get 5,000 people - nay, 50,000 people, pleading for a change. This isn’t a doctrinal comment, just a statistical one. Neither position calls for a plebiscite.
 
I believe that this is just more busy-bodyism here on CAF.

I leave it to the Bishops and ZI follow what they determine. They have the charism to rule and to teach- I do not.
 
eightydeuce82 said:
What really needs to happen is the Clergy need to get to the homily and preach the truth. The leadership of our Church need to make a clear statement that this is the way the Church does it. Its not up to you and if you don’t accept it tough…repent and come back to the faith. Its really simple. There is NO way to align receiving communion in Sin with anything biblical or in the church. Its absolutely not possible.
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I’m glad the Church feels differently as they are discussing it and apparently taking the question very seriously. If you disagree with the results of the Synod are you willing to say to yourself: “It’s not up to me and if I don’t accept it, tough, I’ll repent and come back to the faith”?

This whole thing is easy for me. I’m in a valid sacramental marriage so whatever they decide will not cause any change in my life whatsoever. I’m uncomfortable pointing at those in irregular situations and saying “tough, love it or leave it”. That’s not an act of love.
 
eightydeuce82 said:
So what you are saying is that Jesus said that marriage is only once and since society at large (many catholic) believe that well that’s not really what he was saying can form a consensus and have the church teaching of marriage changed? Or on receiving communion in a state of sin?
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No, the sense of the faithful is certainly not majority opinion and the faithful actually have to assent to church teaching. Those knowing and submitting to truth and who live an active Christian and sacramental life, are sustained by the prudence the Holy Spirit confers and are able to rightfully “sense” what is authentic witness. In other words, if they submit to the truth as taught by the Church, they can also sense errors contrary to the faith and then act (defend the faith) accordingly. Read the Vatican link…it’s quite illuminating.
 
J_Peterson said:
I’m glad the Church feels differently as they are discussing it and apparently taking the question very seriously. If you disagree with the results of the Synod are you willing to say to yourself: “It’s not up to me and if I don’t accept it, tough, I’ll repent and come back to the faith”?

This whole thing is easy for me. I’m in a valid sacramental marriage so whatever they decide will not cause any change in my life whatsoever. I’m uncomfortable pointing at those in irregular situations and saying “tough, love it or leave it”. That’s not an act of love.
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You see here’s the thing a Synod is not a Dogmatic thing. Not even close. We are bound to dogmatic teachings. The even bigger glaring point is the Pope nor any bishop, cardinal or who ever in the magisterium can change this. It is just not possible. So they can talk all they want.
 
Tigg said:
No, the sense of the faithful is certainly not majority opinion and the faithful actually have to assent to church teaching. Those knowing and submitting to truth and who live an active Christian and sacramental life, are sustained by the prudence the Holy Spirit confers and are able to rightfully “sense” what is authentic witness. In other words, if they submit to the truth as taught by the Church, they can also sense errors contrary to the faith and then act (defend the faith) accordingly. Read the Vatican link…it’s quite illuminating.
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No that’s a great explanation thank you!
 
ringil said:
I believe that this is just more busy-bodyism here on CAF.

I leave it to the Bishops and ZI follow what they determine. They have the charism to rule and to teach- I do not.
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But if one contingent of average sinners is clamoring for change, there is absolutely nothing wrong with other average sinners disagreeing with them.

But as Dr Laura said years ago: “Tell your parents how you feel – then do as they say.”

The Church is not governed from the sinners’ seats but from the chair of Saint Peter. Hopefully all parties accept that.

ICXC NIKA
 
J_Peterson said:
I’m glad the Church feels differently as they are discussing it and apparently taking the question very seriously. If you disagree with the results of the Synod are you willing to say to yourself: “It’s not up to me and if I don’t accept it, tough, I’ll repent and come back to the faith”?

This whole thing is easy for me. I’m in a valid sacramental marriage so whatever they decide will not cause any change in my life whatsoever. I’m uncomfortable pointing at those in irregular situations and saying “tough, love it or leave it”. That’s not an act of love.
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Also if a teaching comes from the Synod that say hey its ok to allow communion for those in Sin we have a much bigger problem (huge). I’m very comfortable telling people in irregular situations the words of Jesus and the Apostle Paul and warn the sacrilege is a big no-no. This is possible to do in a charitable way! I would say that most people take your position saying its not an act of love. I think this is a false argument and the ultimate act of not loving someone. Or as I like to call it false charity.
 
J_Peterson said:
I’m glad the Church feels differently as they are discussing it and apparently taking the question very seriously. If you disagree with the results of the Synod are you willing to say to yourself: “It’s not up to me and if I don’t accept it, tough, I’ll repent and come back to the faith”?

This whole thing is easy for me. I’m in a valid sacramental marriage so whatever they decide will not cause any change in my life whatsoever. I’m uncomfortable pointing at those in irregular situations and saying “tough, love it or leave it”. That’s not an act of love.
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The question is, are BOTH sides of this issue willing to repent and obey if the synodic ruling does not go their way?

Methinks not, given the continued clamor for female ordination more than a decade after St. JP2 ruled it out (infallibly).

ICXC NIKA
 
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