Fla.'s 'Father Oprah' joins Episcopal Church

[Cristiano]

The references have been stated if you’re following the posts. A clearer example would be the long standing teaching of the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden being Adam having sex with Eve.

I have been following the posts and that is why I was asking my question. You have not proved a reference to your statement yet.

The interpretation of the Garden of Eden where the forbidden fruit is sex could be your own understanding but has never been a teaching of the Church.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Frankly I am not surprised that Mr. Cuitie decided to join the episcopal church, which is part of the anglican community invented by a selfish and lustful king (henry VIII) to divorce his lawfully wedded wife (Catherine of Aragon). Cutie and the episcopalians deserve each other… a church that stands for nothing for a “priest” that has not backbone or credibility.

It is obvious that Mr. Cutie was looking for a “church” that fits his lifestyle instead of adjusting his lifestyle to fit the Church. His desire to continue to be a “priest” while still being romantically involved with that woman was stronger than his will to respect the promises he made to our Lord and His Church.

Moreover, it is astonishing how he could so easily drop his belief in Papal Authority, Transubstantiation, male only priesthood, etc just for the sake of remaining a “priest” with that woman. I saw him in Miami a couple of years ago and he seemed so convinced of all Catholic doctrine (except celibacy discipline for priests). To me this shows that he was either a complete hypocrite or I can speculate that he recently fell apart during a mid-life crisis and let his carnal passions take over his life.

All I can say is good riddance, we are better off when men like these leave our Holy Roman Catholic Church !

more protestant bashing and “we are better than them” attitude.

 

[redrosetea]

more protestant bashing and “we are better than them” attitude.

7 the bashing goes on by both sides…The only answer to it is not to be a basher yourself…We all own our own words, no one else does

 

[7_Sorrows]

7 the bashing goes on by both sides…The only answer to it is not to be a basher yourself…We all own our own words, no one else does

 

[Gabriella_San_S]

I don’t understand. I am angry. I am hurt. I want to go to see him and tell him what pain has been caused. I feel the pain of great loss, as if a loved one in my family has deserted us…

God bless you, dearest soul!.. and your dear children, and all of Fr.Cutie’s family and friends and former parishners…God knows what you are suffering,** He already suffered and died for this terrible scandal by the scandal of His Cross!**
His Blood is sufficient to wash away the ugly stains that SIN has inflicted on all of His faithful and unfaithful children. His name alone-JESUS-the High Priest, can call us all to a greater meditation on His free gift of Redemption, through this time of suffering.

This deep wound** will heal**,*** God is still Sovereign***, His Kingdom* will come*, His ***will be ***done!
Do not lose Faith, dear brothers and sisters! God Alone suffices!

The Year of Priests begins on the Feast of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, as declared by His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI !!!
I commit myself, right now, to offer a Rosary every day during this Jubilee for the Holy Priesthood!
Our Lady of Victory, pray for us, and console your sorrowing children!:byzsoc:
Divine Mercy, snatch back the souls of Your beloved priests sons! Amen.

 

[7_Sorrows]

God bless you, dearest soul!.. and your dear children, and all of Fr.Cutie’s family and friends and former parishners…God knows what you are suffering,** He already suffered and died for this terrible scandal by the scandal of His Cross!**
His Blood is sufficient to wash away the ugly stains that SIN has inflicted on all of His faithful and unfaithful children. His name alone-JESUS-the High Priest, can call us all to a greater meditation on His free gift of Redemption, through this time of suffering.

This deep wound** will heal**,*** God is still Sovereign***, His Kingdom* will come*, His ***will be ***done!
Do not lose Faith, dear brothers and sisters! God Alone suffices!

The Year of Priests begins on the Feast of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, as declared by His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI !!!
I commit myself, right now, to offer a Rosary every day during this Jubilee for the Holy Priesthood!
Our Lady of Victory, pray for us, and console your sorrowing children!:byzsoc:
Divine Mercy, snatch back the souls of Your beloved priests sons! Amen.

thank you for your post. it was very calming and prayers will be answered.

 

[japhy]

The references have been stated if you’re following the posts. A clearer example would be the long standing teaching of the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden being Adam having sex with Eve.

Give real references and produce concrete examples. Where’s this “long standing teaching” you speak of? Clearly, whoever taught it didn’t read Genesis 1.

[1:27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. [28] And God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth.”

 

[japhy]

All I can say is good riddance, we are better off when men like these leave our Holy Roman Catholic Church !

We’re better off when they repent.

 

[japhy]

more protestant bashing and “we are better than them” attitude.

Don’t judge the Church by the sinners in it.

 

[rguerra]

more protestant bashing and “we are better than them” attitude.

Please understand that I do respect some protestant churches that actually believe in something and stick to their beliefs (like the Southern Baptists) but I have NO respect for churches like the episcopalians that stand for nothing and change their doctrines continually to fit their convenience.

There definitely is such a thing as Universal Truth that is timeless and eternal.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Frankly I am not surprised that Mr. Cuitie decided to join the episcopal church, which is part of the anglican community invented by a selfish and lustful king (henry VIII) to divorce his lawfully wedded wife (Catherine of Aragon). Cutie and the episcopalians deserve each other… a church that stands for nothing for a “priest” that has not backbone or credibility.

It is obvious that Mr. Cutie was looking for a “church” that fits his lifestyle instead of adjusting his lifestyle to fit the Church. His desire to continue to be a “priest” while still being romantically involved with that woman was stronger than his will to respect the promises he made to our Lord and His Church.

Moreover, it is astonishing how he could so easily drop his belief in Papal Authority, Transubstantiation, male only priesthood, etc just for the sake of remaining a “priest” with that woman. I saw him in Miami a couple of years ago and he seemed so convinced of all Catholic doctrine (except celibacy discipline for priests). To me this shows that he was either a complete hypocrite or I can speculate that he recently fell apart during a mid-life crisis and let his carnal passions take over his life.

All I can say is good riddance, we are better off when men like these leave our Holy Roman Catholic Church !

“Cutie and the episcopalians deserve each other” - i guess i don’t understand where this anger comes from.

i don’t want to get into a battle over history, but King Henry VIII did ask for an annullment from the Pope during his time and was trying to go through the process to stay in the Catholic Church. during his time Kings very much needed a male heir. the king waited several years. i am not making excuses, but politics on both the side of the Church and in England played a big part in what happened. the king of england was given the title of “defender of the faith” by the Pope for standing against the teachings of Luther. it was not the king’s intention to start a new church in the beginning.

 

[bobzills]

Please understand that I do respect some protestant churches that actually believe in something and stick to their beliefs (like the Southern Baptists) but I have NO respect for churches like the episcopalians that stand for nothing and change their doctrines continually to fit their convenience.

There definitely is such a thing as Universal Truth that is timeless and eternal.

But hasn’t the Catholic Church changed its teaching also? For example, the teaching on kidnapping a six year old boy from his parents. At one time, it was OK, but now it is taught that it is wrong to do so. Isn’t the truth in this situation relative to the circumstances and not timeless and eternal?

 

[japhy]

From what you wrote before you obviously think it’s dirty

Stop making assumptions. ASK the person instead.

Petting is not a lewd act. Most kids see worse than that every day on television.

Why not compare it to what they can see on the internet?! When did “what’s on TV” become the standard for morality or for public displays of affection.

Regardless of standards, it’s entirely inappropriate for a priest to engage in displays of romantic or sexual affection because of his vows. He’s fornicating.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Please understand that I do respect some protestant churches that actually believe in something and stick to their beliefs (like the Southern Baptists) but I have NO respect for churches like the episcopalians that stand for nothing and change their doctrines continually to fit their convenience.

There definitely is such a thing as Universal Truth that is timeless and eternal.

yes, the episcopal church definitely is not the same church it was 50 years ago, but neither is the Roman Catholic Church. i agree that the hierarchy of the episcopal church has moved about as far to the left as they can, but don’t forget the clergy and parishoners who remain who are still trying to fight for what their church once represented.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Are you actually saying that there should be no scandal concerning a priest publicly breaking his promise of celibacy and making a mockery of the church?** This isn’t a pick and choose faith ** where you can overlook a celibacy scandal and just focus on the sex abuse scandals. We are talking about souls being lost on both accounts.

There are plenty of stones being cast by both Catholic’s and Protestant’s and by saying “Catholic’s seem to have a way of pointing the finger at the Protestants” you are painting with the same brush all your fellow Catholic’s. You look at the plank in your Catholic brother’s eye yet fail to see that there are plenty of Protestants who do the same thing to their Catholic brothers/sisters.

I think you are still too green in the faith and are also judging your fellow Catholic’s with the same judgemental brush as you accuse others of here in this thread.

i might be new to the Catholic faith, but i have been on CAF long enough to realize that protestants do plenty of Catholic bashing and probably most Catholics, when they get a chance, want to give it right back.
i am not declaring that we should pick and choose as to which scandals are better than others. i was not Catholic during the time the priest sex abuse cases began appearing in the headlines. i remember being shocked and confused about this. so i was not on CAF to read any threads about how Catholics reacted to this scandal. i did not hear too much about it actually. i wasn’t reading Catholic journals or periodicals at the time. i am sure that many Catholics were pained and hurt over those scandals and continue to be so today. this is one priest who is gaining a lot of publicity because he was already in the public eye. i knew a man once who was raised Catholic and became an Episcopal priest.
he had been divorced and remarried. he was a wonderful man and served his community well outside the church also. we have lost touch, but he made an impression on me and was a man of great faith.

 

[rguerra]

We’re better off when they repent.

Yes, Mr. Cutie is human and deserves God’s mercy, but coherent human behavior requires maturity, authenticity and a well-formed conscience. His present actions are only confusing millions of his cult-like admirers. His continuous interviews are giving ammunition to the Church’s enemies to attack the priesthood.

Major scandals should not call into question the Church’s stand on priestly celibacy. Only the superficial and the immature will go there.

Celibacy is a special gift from the Holy Spirit. It is called a charism. It is a beautiful gift for the Church. The celibate priest, in and through his body; i.e., through his very physical reality, is a sign or a witness not only of his total gift of himself to his bride, the Church, but he is also physically, through his body, pointing the way to the eschatological reality of eternal life. “For when they rise from the dead, men and women do not marry; no, they are like the angels in heaven” (Mark 12: 25).

Eternity is not only perfect communion with God it is also perfect communion with all men and women in the communion of saints. The charism of celibacy is a sign or an anticipation of this eschatological reality. Through the gift of celibacy, the human person is able to immerse himself in a fulfilling communion with God and with humanity here on earth.

The priest gives his entire being to God in the covenant of spiritual marriage. In the Mass, he takes bread and wine, and pronounces the words of Jesus: This is my body and this is my blood given for you. In turn, he then gives himself totally and unconditionally to his bride: This is my body and this is my blood given for you.

 

[bobzills]

Major scandals should not call into question the Church’s stand on priestly celibacy. .

The Church allows married priests under certain circumstances.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

i don’t like the way posters are casting stones at the protestant churches in this thread though. Catholics seem to have a way of pointing the finger at the Protestants instead of looking at where the problem might be in their own Church. i don’t mean to be blunt, but i do see a pattern.

7Sorrows:

I am a former protestant and I do not care for the way some of our fellow Catholics disparge Protestants. I’m the only Catholic in my family and I know how faithful and loving a large number of Protestants are. The truth of the matter, however, is this: either they are correct, in their myriad disagreements, not only with the Catholic Church, but among themselves, or the Catholic Church is correct. And I don’t mean “correct” in a “we’re number !” kind of way. It’s all by God’s Grace and we have nothing about which to brag. We have the fullness of the Truth and the brightness of the Light this side of Heaven, but it is still a Truth we fail, still a Light in which we stumble. Your point about the notorioius sins of some of our priests and bishops is well taken.

The point I’ve endeavored to make is this: Cutie COULD have requested to be laicized, COULD have walked with his girlfriend through the annulment process, COULD have been decently and honorably married by Holy Mother Church. If he actually BELIEVED that She is Who She claims to be and that the Truth She proclaims is actually TRUE. He could have exercised an honorable lay ministry within the Church. Instead, he’s decided to join an ecclesial community (the word “church” does not apply since they do not have true orders) that will permit him to remain a priest (he IS a priest always, even reduced outwardly to the lay state) and marry a divorcee without recourse to a declaration of nullity. Six months ago, we would have to assume, in charity, that this priest believed all that the Church taught and professed. What changed? What made him STOP believing that the Church that Jesus Christ founded on the Earth and endowed with His Authority had ceased to be the only body on this earth which had the authority to BE the Church? Now, we MUST believe that either he did not believe it or that at some point he stopped believing it. Again, what made him stop believing? You (and others) will forgive me if I wonder if it had anything to do with A) obedience (at least for a time, possibly a long time, he would have had to step out of the limelight and stop being “Fr. Oprah.” and B) celibacy (because she is a VERY attractive woman).

We cannot, as faithful Catholics, say,“Well, God be with you, Mr. Cutie, the Episcopal Church is pretty close to the Catholic Church” (it isn’t) “whatever makes you happy and allows you to more completely actualize yourself.” If the Catholic Church is true and necessary for salvation, if what She has taught about Herself for 2000 years is the Truth, then we rather OWE it to Mr. Cutie to warn him and to pray he will come home.

 

[pmoo]

gee, was there this much outrage during the priest sex abuse scandals? so much self-righteousness by posters. i am a recent convert to Catholicism. after reading this thread, i am wondering if i made a mistake. father cutie is human and he is a man. i think he is being honest with himself. evidently, this is something he has struggled with.
this is between father cutie and God.
the Protestant churches have been our trash receptacle for 400 years? i will remember this quote for the rest of my life. what arrogance!

Why would you judge your new Catholic faith by the actions of other humans? You don’t like others criticizing Cutie here because, as you say, he is only human, yet you are doing the same thing. We in the forums are only human, too, and we come to the forums to vent, ask questions, get opinions. Re your uncertainty about your new faith - you should have learned in RCIA that your faith and your decisions regarding it are between you and God; if you made your decision to convert because of other people, then that is sad.

 

[Gabriella_San_S]

The priest gives his entire being to God in the covenant of spiritual marriage. In the Mass, he takes bread and wine, and pronounces the words of Jesus:
This is My Body and This is My Blood given for you. In turn, he then gives himself totally and unconditionally to his Bride: This is my body and this is my blood given for you.

**
What an AWESOME GOD WE HAVE!! WHAT A GREAT GIFT WE HAVE IN THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH!! WHAT A SUBLIME TREASURE IS OURS IN THE HOLY EUCHARIST!!!**

Dear Jesus,
I thank you with all my heart for the great gift of the Holy Priesthood! I beg You, to “…send laborers into Your vineyard, for the harvest is plenty… and the laborers are few…”
for You promised to “…give us shepherds after Your own Heart…” and You ALWAYS keep Your promises-even when we break faith in You!
Thank you, dear faithful priests for your total immolation, you are such a gift to the Church!
I’M SO SORRY THAT YOU ARE BEING ATTACKED! TAKE HEART!

Have any of you good and faithful Catholics on this thread considered testing a vocation? We need you!
Stay close to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart, she will keep you in the fold of Her mantle!
Pray for Holy priests!