Flat earth and traditional catholicism

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To be honest, Aristotle talked about the earth being round. And that was…a thousand years before Columbus. So the idea of a round earth has been around a while (no pun intended).

But, seriously, which one of us is going to seriously change the way they live if it was proven that the earth is flat? Like Commenter said, it won’t change the way I live. Murder will still be wrong, your Mother-in-law will still be irritating and Krispy Kreme will still taste delicious. To quote Sherlock Holmes,

“But the Solar System!” I protested.

“What the deuce is it to me?” he interrupted impatiently; “you say that we go round the sun. If we went round the moon it would not make a pennyworth of difference to me or to my work.”
 
Pseudoscience involved drawing conclusions based on a few facts, ignoring many other more relevant facts. It was not pseudoscience for some ancient people to believe in the flat earth, because the evidence then was mixed. It is pseudoscience to ignore the evidence since then. Wilbur Voliva, 1870 - 1942, a Protestant evangelist, was perhaps the last prominent religious person to push this theory.

Most pseudoscience today is secular in origin, especially related to the New Age Movement. It flourishes because we are moving into an anti-Reason age; I fear the next step may be a Dark Age. Reason is not the enemy of Christianity; Christianity may be the last defender of Reason.

I know one “trad Catholic” website periodically pushes the idea that maybe, just maybe, the sun does go around the Earth. (Hey, all we’re saying is, let’s be open minded about this). They are willing - no, excited - to challenge the scientific establishment, just as they challenge the Church establishment. They seem to do this whenever their website hits or donations start dropping. The religious Far Left is even more anti-Reason.

Chesterton: “An open mind is really a mark of foolishness, like an open mouth. Mouths and minds were made to shut; they were made to open only in order to shut.” (Illustrated London News. October 10, 1908)
 
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Entwhistler said:
To be honest, Aristotle talked about the earth being round. And that was…a thousand years before Columbus. So the idea of a round earth has been around a while (no pun intended).

But, seriously, which one of us is going to seriously change the way they live if it was proven that the earth is flat? Like Commenter said, it won’t change the way I live. Murder will still be wrong, your Mother-in-law will still be irritating and Krispy Kreme will still taste delicious. To quote Sherlock Holmes,

“But the Solar System!” I protested.

“What the deuce is it to me?” he interrupted impatiently; “you say that we go round the sun. If we went round the moon it would not make a pennyworth of difference to me or to my work.”
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I wish my mother-in-law were still here. I agree with your post, but keep in mind pseudoscience is not harmless. Cable TV thrives on this stuff, and it casts all genuine science in a questionable light. We live in an anti-religious authority climate, that encourages doubt about everything, except the obligation to doubt.

Years ago if you called someone dogmatic, they would say “so what?” Now they would think you are denouncing them. Would you really want Shirley MacLaine in charge of medical research? That may be where we are headed.
 
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The idea that Europeans in Comumbus’ time thought the world was flat is an utter lie. Anyone with even the most basic historical background could tell you that. They knew the world was round. That was never in question. Ancient Greek philosophers knew the world was round. Scripture declares the earth to be round (see Isaiah 40:22).
What was controversial, up until a few centuries ago, was whether the earth revolves around the sun or the sun around the earth.

Saying the earth is flat is right up there with saying the moon is made of cheese… anyone who entertains such thoughts, send me a PM and I’ll be happy to sell you ocean view property in Kansas.
 
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I sometimes wonder what constitutes a “scientist”. I know the term is used vaguely and loosely all the time in so many articles I see. Is it someone with a “bachelor of science”? Lol
 
Clearly a fabricated image to trick the faithful! Funded by the same insidious organization that fabricates dinosaur bones…
 
I am tempted to post examples of Trad Catholics on the internet pushing pseudo scientific theories. I would rather not do that, partly because it is unfair to the vast majority of Trad Catholics, but more so, that I do not want to give them free publicity. That is exactly what they crave, even negative publicity.
 
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I believe the earth is a cube. Minecraft was right 🙃
 
God cannot be “written all over the flat earth theory,” because anything false is opposed to God, the ultimate Truth.
 
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Speaking only for myself, I think ‘flat earth’ is nonsense.
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Yes, because if the earth actually were flat, the cats would have already knocked everything off it 😃

The earth is flat only to people with an extremely small world view.

Edit: Forgot for a moment that this was specifically about the traditional Catholic view on the subject. I just finished two years of reading all of St. Augustine that’s available in English, and he made frequent mention of the “round world”.

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I will ascribe to a flat earth when anyone can take me to the edge of it.

On the other hand, I am aware of the Flat Earth Society, and have met a few of its denizens.

They are closely aligned with the Tin Hat League and are alleged to have an association with the Area 51 Conspiratorialists .

🙃🙃🙃
 
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mamoyo said:
was the church right is positing that the earth was flat, proof today shows that the earth cant be a globe. the formula for curvature is self debunking. will the church once again stand with the unpopular belief that the earth is flat??
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If the world is flat, then how is possible to reach Japan from New York by flying east or west?

And where has the Catholic dogmatically defined a flat earth and where does the Bible specifically indicate flat earth in Genesis?

I’m sorry, but the burden of proof is on you, because you cannot defend your positions.

God Bless
 
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If the world is flat, then how is possible to reach Japan from New York by flying east or west?

And where has the Catholic dogmatically defined a flat earth and where does the Bible specifically indicate flat earth in Genesis?

I’m sorry, but the burden of proof is on you, because you cannot defend your positions.
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The problem with this line of logical reasoning is that it assumes the other side is trying to reason logically, also. I don’t know anyone on this thread personally, but as a general statement, pseudo-science is similar to pseudo-history (think Holocaust denial) and pseudo-religion (New Age movement).

Logical reasoning doesn’t work with their “position”. It is like the Public Relations cliche, “I don’t care what you say about me as long as you spell my name right”.

A TV network gets big ratings by “proving” aliens have entered our planet.
It does no good to refute them by showing they reached this conclusion by ignoring 90% of the evidence. The network welcomes criticism of them as irresponsible. The same is true when people push pseudoscience on internet forums. Being criticized does not refute their position, it is their position.
 
No, it’s not going to happen. The Earth is quite round my friend.
 
If the earth is flat there should be no horizon. Also, we know that the celestial bodies are spherical.

Also, if the earth is flat then it should be daytime for everyone at the same time. Sunrise and sunset happening at different times only makes sense if the Earth is round.

I can’t believe I’m actually defending the fact that the Earth is round. This is actually not an argument I ever thought I’d have.
 
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Some things are “true” only from a phenomenological POV. For me, looking out my window, the sun DOES rise in the AM, and goes “down” in the PM. The world is flat, when considered on the tiny scale of one person, and their usual routine. My level does work, in my house
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I agree and what you touched upon is for me the heart of the matter.

For the ancients, they tried to make sense of the world through what they saw. So they say that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. WE know that relative to the earth that the sun stands still and that the apparent rise and fall of the sun is due to the rotation of the earth itself. However, they did not have any ability to know that. They wrote down what they saw.
 
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i do think it matters because it speaks on morality …even influences morality . if we are on a flat plane then God placed us here and the firmament keeps us locked on this plane .
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Are you implying that God is not capable of placing us on a sphere? God could have placed us on a pyramid, or a cylinder, or a dodecahedron if he wanted to.

Are you implying that it is the firmament, and not gravity, that keeps us locked onto the Earth’s surface? Are you denying the existence of gravity?
 
seriously i cant believe you think flat earth is a pseudo science . i just cant ! i agree our faith should be tempered with reason. and to go with Jesus’ own words who ever is for us is not against us. the flat earth instead of contradicting the bible actually cements the truth and authenticity of the bible. i never in a million years thought i would have to take the bible literally in terms of geography . but after assessing the evidence before me i began to wonder maybe science is wrong and the bible is right??? is that ludicrous??? that the bible may actually be more scientifically correct than science itself. while i understand that the cognitive dissonance brought on by this theory is enormous and almost impossible to overcome i believe if you study flat earth with the bible on your side it will soon be clear that the two are cut from the same fabric.
iv made reference the the sun standing still … no one wants to refute that this is IMPOSSIBLE on the globe model.if the earth would have stopped rotating abruptly like that there would have been massive destruction felt on the earth spinning at around 1000 miles per hour at the equator . so its either this spinning globe miraculously stopped so as to allow Joshua to continue fighting or as the bible said the sun is in motion and the earth is fixed (psalm 104:5 )so stopping the sun would have no effect on the stationary earth. or is Joshua a fictional character.
the conversation between God and Job concerning creation is rather telling of a flat earth rather than a globe earth.
it is my honest opinion that the globe earth is the great deception rather than the flat earth. while i will always follow the lead of the church i cannot ignore this new teaching which serves to reinforce the place God created for us .
please explain to me if these verses are true or not and also note how the contradict mainstream science
who will you believe God or man ?
speaking about the earth…

Job 38:4-6 Where were you when I founded the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding. Who determined its size? Surely you know? Who stretched out the measuring line for it?Into what were its pedestals sunk, and who laid its cornerstone, (this is God speaking ) surely a globe has no pedestals but a flat earth does???
 
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while i understand that God could support existence on any plane… he chose one for us. this one called earth. if we are in an enclosed circle (enclosed by the firmament which marks the boundaries of earth )like an open dinner place enclosed by a bowl. just the knowledge that we are in a terrarium will make people question who put it there and why cant we leave this place? these sort of questions will lead to a massive hunt for explanations which science is unable to account for.
finally please explain how a vacuum and an atmosphere interact without a barrier , also this happening while the earth and other planets are travelling at supersonic speeds through the universe ?? this is nonsensical and cant be replicated anywhere . vacuums only work in enclosed places once exposed to air the vacuum loses its function. try introducing air into a flask if you think vacuum and air can function independently without a barrier between them.
 
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