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mamoyo
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if you don’t answer my questions how does this help the debate. ??? at least give an answer is the bible true or is man true ? simple question !!
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mamoyo
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thats at least an answer.
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tafan2
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Especially because the Church never taught the earth was flat. By the time of Christ all the scholars in the Western world accepted a spherical earth. The early church never questioned that. And it never has been questioned by the Church.
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twf
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If the earth is flat, couldn’t you take a boat out to sea and reach the edge? That’s never happened. People have sailed around the globe.
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It is unfair to tie Flat Earth, or any pseudoscience, to “traditional Catholicism” in particular. Some people who accept pseudoscience also happen to be traditional Catholics. Many flat earthers, or other pseudoscience followers since the Reformation happen to be fundamentalist Protestants (not fair to identify Protestants with this few, either).
The classic analysis of pseudoscience, including Flat Earthers, was “Fads and Fallacies in the Name of Science”, 1957, by Martin Gardner. However Gardner later wrote followup books and articles about the pseudoscience associated with the developing New Age Movement, whose adherents are far removed from any kind of traditional Catholic or Protestantism.
Gardner was a theist, who strongly admired G. K. Chesterton and H. G. Wells. Had he lived a little later, I think he might have become Catholic. It is more apparent that Wells’ rejection of Christianity as supposedly Faith triumphant over Reason was increasingly inaccurate, and that Chesterton’s respect for the Church as the defender of Reason fits the current reality.
I wonder what Gardner would say about the current attack on Reason and free speech on our campuses, if he were alive now. They aren’t making fair minded, objective skeptics like Gardner anymore.
The classic analysis of pseudoscience, including Flat Earthers, was “Fads and Fallacies in the Name of Science”, 1957, by Martin Gardner. However Gardner later wrote followup books and articles about the pseudoscience associated with the developing New Age Movement, whose adherents are far removed from any kind of traditional Catholic or Protestantism.
Gardner was a theist, who strongly admired G. K. Chesterton and H. G. Wells. Had he lived a little later, I think he might have become Catholic. It is more apparent that Wells’ rejection of Christianity as supposedly Faith triumphant over Reason was increasingly inaccurate, and that Chesterton’s respect for the Church as the defender of Reason fits the current reality.
I wonder what Gardner would say about the current attack on Reason and free speech on our campuses, if he were alive now. They aren’t making fair minded, objective skeptics like Gardner anymore.
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TMC
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Guys, I am pretty sure this thread is just a giant troll feeding trough.
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SuperLuigi
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Welcome to the “progressive modern” era.
Enjoy!
Enjoy!
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Hereiam
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All Flat Earthers have to fear is…
SPHERE ITSELF!
SPHERE ITSELF!
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Indyann
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Good one! Hereiam
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Usagi
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mamoyo, you are arguing from personal incredulity (“this seems impossible to me, therefore it doesn’t happen”), which is a logical fallacy.
Do you believe that everyone educated in such matters has been co-opted into a conspiracy and is lying to you?
To believe in the flat earth you have to believe that every space mission, every image of the earth, every measurement of anything beyond earth, is not merely wrong but a deliberate lie that everyone in a position to know has agreed to perpetuate.
As for the atmosphere, I’m sure that at the fringes molecules do spread into the vacuum of space. But air has mass and the bulk of the atmosphere is close enough to the planet to be held by its gravity, just as we are.
Do you believe that everyone educated in such matters has been co-opted into a conspiracy and is lying to you?
To believe in the flat earth you have to believe that every space mission, every image of the earth, every measurement of anything beyond earth, is not merely wrong but a deliberate lie that everyone in a position to know has agreed to perpetuate.
As for the atmosphere, I’m sure that at the fringes molecules do spread into the vacuum of space. But air has mass and the bulk of the atmosphere is close enough to the planet to be held by its gravity, just as we are.
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niceatheist
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No learned person in the West has believed in a flat Earth since Antiquity. Eratosthenes measured the circumference of the Earth with pretty extraordinary accuracy in 100BC, but the Earth was known to be a sphere long before that. If you look at the Bible specifically, pre-Christian Jews had absolutely no problem reinterpreting passages in Genesis that would have suggested the flat Earth that would have been a common part of Middle Eastern cosmography a thousand years before, so really it all goes to underscore that what we know of today as “Biblical literalism” is actually a fairly recent phenomenon, and Christian scholars and scientists prior to the 19th century had any issue with non-literal interpretations of Biblical passages that literal interpretations of would have flown in the face of what was known to be factual at the time.
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Entwhistler
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To be honest, if you want to believe the earth is flat, go for it. It doesn’t hurt me one bit. But we do have a problem if you say that the Church taught that it was flat. I have never heard that and I have never hear any non-Catholic throw that in my face as a reason why the Church is wrong.
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pnewton
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I recommend the OP speak to a priest or a parent, depending on age.
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