Florida Gov. Rick Scott signs gun bill

[JonNC]

And on that, I do not agree. Society has the right to limit private arms for public safety, lest some land-mine their yard to keep the darn kids off.

Yes, because everyone want concealed land-mine carry permits, as if that’s comparable to have a ten round instead of 6 hand gun.

And for the record, me and a growing number of others will fight to limit the more radical gun owners that refuse to see the need for a limit.

Something constitutionalists have learned from the sanctuary movement.

 

[pnewton]

Yes, because everyone want concealed land-mine carry permits, as if that’s comparable to have a ten round instead of 6 hand gun.

Well, if you find an error in the logic from argument from the absurd, please enlighten me. Does the government have the right to limit what weapons a person may use for self-defense, or not. “Arms” as anyone can tell you, is not the same as “fire-arms”. Do you think the government can limit what firearms one may use, or must it be by law up to each individual?

If rounds that explode can be limited, or those designed to penetrate armor, then why is the capacity and fire-rate of an arm different from a legal point of view.

 

[JonNC]

Well, if you find an error in the logic from argument from the absurd, please enlighten me.

It is entirely illogical. It turns your argument into an absurdity.

Does the government have the right to limit what weapons a person may use for self-defense, or not.

Only within the constitutional limits set out. Can government outlaw knives, clubs, how about hands and feet (see how absurdity is absurd)?

Do you think the government can limit what firearms one may use, or must it be by law up to each individual?

You state the obvious. Heller outlines this. But again, the sanctuary movement seems to have reset power of the central government.
We may need sanctuary localities for AR-15 owners, for the soon to be born, for bakers snd photographers.
And that’s not an absurdity

 

[Luke6_37]

Luke6_37:

With respect to self-defense, Pro-life means trusting trained & accountable police officers to protect your person, family & property. When that is not feasible, the next step is to defend yourself using the least lethal weapon possible, because uncompromisingly Pro-life means that even criminals have a right to life.

So, when the armed thug gets into my house, I ask him to pretty please wait the 10 to 15 minutes until the sheriff deputy arrives.
Placing my family at risk, as you here are asking , isn’t prolife. It’s pro-criminal

Resorting to deliberately mischaracterizing my comment doesn’t win you any points. Anyone can see that it is nothing like what I said.

Nevertheless, you shouldn’t need a weapon that is more lethal than what the police carry.

 

[JonNC]

Resorting to deliberately mischaracterizing my comment doesn’t win you any points. Anyone can see that it is nothing like what I said.

Oh, it certainly does. The least lethal weapon possible. How about an example. I have a large noisy dog. That’s my start. Am I allowed to fill the chamber now, or are there other things I should be required to do first?

Nevertheless, you shouldn’t need a weapon that is more lethal than what the police carry.

I think you just expanded the range of weapons.

 

[exnihilo]

This is disappointing. Florida has had decent gun laws for a long time like most southern states. This probably reflects more the influence of Northerners and other immigrants to the state who like all powerful government, but feel compelled to move away from its implementation as it crushes life.

 

[pnewton]

This probably reflects more the influence of Northerners and other immigrants to the state who like all powerful government,

I would think that last shooting was a bigger motivation than some demographic issue. When enough people are killed, the whole nation will change.

 

[JonNC]

I would think that last shooting was a bigger motivation than some demographic issue. When enough people are killed, the whole nation will change.

I irony continues:
We’ve heard since Furgeson police are bad. We heard since 2016 that Trump is a fascist, a tyrant, a monster. Now we here that Trump and the police should control or have all the guns.

 

[Luke6_37]

Luke6_37:

Resorting to deliberately mischaracterizing my comment doesn’t win you any points. Anyone can see that it is nothing like what I said.

Oh, it certainly does. The least lethal weapon possible. How about an example. I have a large noisy dog. That’s my start. Am I allowed to fill the chamber now, or are there other things I should be required to do first?

Nevertheless, you shouldn’t need a weapon that is more lethal than what the police carry.

I think you just expanded the range of weapons.

Dogs are great, especially it you live in a rural area far from law enforcement.

What are the standard issue weapons carried by police officers where you live?

 

[pnewton]

Now we here that Trump and the police should control or have all the guns.

Really? I haven’t heard that one.

 

[JonNC]

What are the standard issue weapons carried by police officers where you live?

What are the Most Popular Guns Used by Law Enforcement Professionals

have you ever wondered what are the Most Popular Guns Used by Law Enforcement Professionals? This is a guide to read.

www.criminaljusticedegreehub.com

Anyone who plans to enter a career in criminal justice should be familiar with these ten firearms. All of these guns are great for law enforcement and do a great job keeping the men and women in blue safe.

Includes the Colt M4

 

[JonNC]

Really? I haven’t heard that one.

Sorry you’ve missed the news

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/opinion/guns-second-amendment-nra.html?referer=https:%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/16/opinion/repeat-repeal-second-amendment.html?referer=https:%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

And that’s just two articles.

 

[Lev]

pnewton:

I would think that last shooting was a bigger motivation than some demographic issue. When enough people are killed, the whole nation will change.

I irony continues:
We’ve heard since Furgeson police are bad. We heard since 2016 that Trump is a fascist, a tyrant, a monster. Now we here that Trump and the police should control or have all the guns.

The majority of people don’t still think that they are ruled by foreign colonialists who can at any minute muster up hoards of foreign troops to turn on the USA. The majority don’t in their wildest imaginings envisage the possibility of a government/‘the people’ dichotomy because the government is the people in the USA today.

So you can stop thinking that the majority of people are conned by that video game fantasy scenario that you guys are trying to sell.

 

[pnewton]

Sorry you’ve missed the news

Bret Stephens (same guy in both articles) may believe that the police should have control of all guns, but he did not say that. But I will grant there may be some extremists that do believe that. I haven’t seen it here, or know of anyone like that. It would definitely be a fringe. What I have seen, what this thread is about, and my discussion, is about restrictions, not an end to private ownership of guns. This can be done within the confines of the Constitution.

Disarmament is a straw man.

 

[JonNC]

The majority of people don’t still think that they are ruled by foreign colonialists who can at any minute muster up hoards of foreign troops to turn on the USA. The majority don’t in their wildest imaginings envisage the possibility of a government/‘the people’ dichotomy because the government is the people in the USA today.

So you can stop thinking that the majority of people are conned by that video game fantasy scenario that you guys are trying to sell.

And of course, we really don’t need those other silly rights, either.
No one coming after your speech rights, and who really believes that cruel and unusual punishment happens anymore. Scratch those two.
And hey, due process? What a waste of time and money. And you really shouldn’t need the fifth amendment if you have nothing to hide.

So, yeah. Rights are so18th century.

 

[JonNC]

JonNC:

Sorry you’ve missed the news

Bret Stephens (same guy in both articles) may believe that the police should have control of all guns, but he did not say that. But I will grant there may be some extremists that do believe that. I haven’t seen it here, or know of anyone like that. It would definitely be a fringe. What I have seen, what this thread is about, and my discussion, is about restrictions, not an end to private ownership of guns. This can be done within the confines of the Constitution.

Disarmament is a straw man.

Okay. I’m sure you don’t mind my skepticism.

 

[pnewton]

Absolutely not. And for the record, I never would suggest disarming everyone or preventing all citizens from owning a gun or guns. I have only one, a revolver .357 Colt 686.

 

[JonNC]

Absolutely not. And for the record, I never would suggest disarming everyone or preventing all citizens from owning a gun or guns. I have only one, a revolver .357 Colt 686.

Good. …

 

[Luke6_37]

Luke6_37:

What are the standard issue weapons carried by police officers where you live?

What are the Most Popular Guns Used by Law Enforcement Professionals? - Criminal Justice Degree Hub

Anyone who plans to enter a career in criminal justice should be familiar with these ten firearms. All of these guns are great for law enforcement and do a great job keeping the men and women in blue safe.

Includes the Colt M4

In other words, you don’t know. Okay - not a problem.

 

[Lev]

Lev:

The majority of people don’t still think that they are ruled by foreign colonialists who can at any minute muster up hoards of foreign troops to turn on the USA. The majority don’t in their wildest imaginings envisage the possibility of a government/‘the people’ dichotomy because the government is the people in the USA today.

So you can stop thinking that the majority of people are conned by that video game fantasy scenario that you guys are trying to sell.

And of course, we really don’t need those other silly rights, either.
No one coming after your speech rights, and who really believes that cruel and unusual punishment happens anymore. Scratch those two.
And hey, due process? What a waste of time and money. And you really shouldn’t need the fifth amendment if you have nothing to hide.

So, yeah. Rights are so18th century.

The erosion of rights occurs when rights are detached from the common good. The welfare of the State. When individual rights take precedence over the rights of the innocent whole… we are nothing but a survival of the fittest culture.