Florida 'stand your ground' shooter Michael Drejka charged with manslaughter

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It cost OJ for his defense attorney’s

Also, if he makes any money off a book deal, it goes to the family

Jim
 
If I have just been violently shoved to the ground by someone twice my size I am in imminent danger in my opinion. We don’t know if he might have been yelling threats
after he pushed the man down.
All the facts are not out.
 
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JimR-OCDS said:
Not accurate

The family can still bring a Wrongful Death lawsuit and they could do it just to make him hire a defense attorney

Doesn’t matter if they win or lose, he’ll still have to pay for his defense and his lawyer may tell him it’s cheaper to agree to a settlement
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You may be correct. But I am too. I don’t know about Florida. And I don’t know the exact process. But stand your ground statutes do provide civil immunity. I don’t know if a finding of innocence in a criminal court makes it impossible to bring a civil lawsuit. Maybe you can still bring a lawsuit. But somewhere in the process if it is found that you had a valid defense then you are immune from liability.
Theo520 said:
No, I don’t think so. Being found innocent in a criminal case doesn’t protect you from civil cases.
The best example being OJ Simpson.
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You are right in general. But the stand your ground statutes do specifically provide civil immunity.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Shooting the man to death was unwarranted and the shooter needs to keep his self-righteous attitude to himself and just call the cops when he sees a non-violent crime being committed.
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I was thinking more about this comment. First there used to be this idea in our legal system that we, the citizens, help enforce the law. It is a particularly democratic idea. Over time the law has become a professional class. Of course this comes with all sorts of problems as we often read about.

But more importantly had this man called the police there would have been another national story, ‘White man calls police on Black man for parking in wrong spot’. All the liberals in this forum would be belly aching about the racism of calling the police over something so small as parking in a handicap space. It seems the liberals and their press want you to call the police, but then when you do they’ll call you a racist. Unfortunately you can see how this might end up with more situations just like this.
 
All of that is completely inadmissible in a criminal trial and therefore irrelevant. You have to look at the incident in isolation.
 
Two men with anger issues confront one
another it sounds like.

There was an incident of road rage the other day where one of the drivers died because one driver punched him and he fell back and hit his head on the pavement.
The other driver was then killed when he was hit by a car.
 
Well there use to be a time when vigilante groups enforced the law according to their ideology.

Hopefully we’re not returning to that sort of behavior.

Jim
 
exnihilo said:
All of that is completely inadmissible in a criminal trial and therefore irrelevant. You have to look at the incident in isolation.
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It may be inadmissible at trial, but it’s far from irrelevant to this discussion.

Apparently the shooter had a propensity to start fights and threaten people with guns.

If we’re talking about who started this dispute, which ended with a death, it’s extremely relevant.

This death didn’t have to happen. Based on what we know so far, including the history of the shooter, the shooter seems to have been about 90% at fault.
 
exnihilo said:
It seems the liberals and their press want you to call the police, but then when you do they’ll call you a racist. Unfortunately you can see how this might end up with more situations just like this.
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:roll_eyes: Right, it’s the liberals who are really to blame here, not some aggressive jerk with a short fuse.
 
So if someone was yelling at you while your grandchildren were in the back seat strapped in to their car seats, would you want your husband or male inlaws to get the man to get away from the car window? Do you think they should be shot to death if they forcibly get the man away from you?
 
sallybutler said:
So if someone was yelling at you while your grandchildren were in the back seat strapped in to their car seats, would you want your husband or male inlaws to get the man to get away from the car window? Do you think they should be shot to death if they forcibly get the man away from you?
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You’re not allowed to violently throw someone to the ground because they yell at you or your girlfriend.
 
Not even if you are afraid that they might become physically violent?? Isn’t stand your ground because you fear possible violence, not because it has occured?
 
Inisfallen said:
Apparently the shooter had a propensity to start fights and threaten people with guns.
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Maybe. These are allegations. They weren’t tested in court so far as I know. If the guy had a concealed carry permit then he wasn’t found guilty of any crime. If he wasn’t found guilty and he did in fact threaten people then yet again the state has failed to protect people.
Inisfallen said:
If we’re talking about who started this dispute, which ended with a death, it’s extremely relevant.
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This man started the dispute. That isn’t in question. Who started the violence is the only relevant question. In this case it was the man who was shot.
Inisfallen said:
This death didn’t have to happen. Based on what we know so far, including the history of the shooter, the shooter seems to have been about 90% at fault.
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The man who shot is one hundred percent responsible for shooting. The man who initiated the violence is one hundred percent responsible making the man who shot feel threatened by initiating violence. If you start the chain of violence you are responsible for what ends up happening.
 
sallybutler said:
Not even if you are afraid that they might become physically violent??
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No, not even if you’re afraid that they might become violent.

I really don’t understand why people are so eager to excuse the violent attack on Drejka that precipitated the shooting. He could have been seriously injured or even killed as a result of it.
 
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