Flynn Offers Testimony in Return for Immunity

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Ironic from the man who previously said about Hillary Clinton staffers, when you are given immunity, that means you have probably committed a crime.

His lawyer says Flynn certainly has a story to tell. I doubt he has much loyalty to Trump and the Trump team now. I wonder if the WH is a bit more uncomfortable tonight.
 
Sy_Noe said:
Ironic from the man who previously said about Hillary Clinton staffers, when you are given immunity, that means you have probably committed a crime.
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And what he said about Clinton is absolutely true, nobody seeks immunity unless they have done something wrong.

I think the whole concept of immunity is wrong and unjust, a reduced sentence/penalty would be fair I think, but not immunity. I understand why it’s there, but I still think it terribly unjust.

I’ll wait and see what comes out. I do not think Trump is/was in collusion with Russia.

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
Sy_Noe said:
Ironic from the man who previously said about Hillary Clinton staffers, when you are given immunity, that means you have probably committed a crime.

His lawyer says Flynn certainly has a story to tell. I doubt he has much loyalty to Trump and the Trump team now. I wonder if the WH is a bit more uncomfortable tonight.
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I imagine that a couple people are starting to sweat a bit 😃

And frankly, Flynn has a point. Why ask for immunity from prosecution unless you felt you had done something that could get you prosecuted? Wonder what he’s worried about.

This could get very interesting 🍿
 
Talk about being a hypocrite and republicans say only democrats are the only hypocrites.

Flynn yelled at the convention lock her up and look at him now.

Flynn needs to man up.
 
He is more than likely doing this to avoid false charges from the absolutely insane Democrats bent on taking the Administration down.
 
Michael68 said:
He is more than likely doing this to avoid false charges from the absolutely insane Democrats bent on taking the Administration down.
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So you’re going to believe that when we already have evidence that he lied to Pence and has registered as a foreign agent? Why else would Trump fire him and throw him under the bus?

He wouldn’t be seeking immunity if he wasn’t sure they have charges that will stick. I look forward to seeing what he says…

I’m not a democrat or liberal (except perhaps in a Jeffersonian sense) but it seems that some of Trump’s supporters will give him and his cronies a pass on anything at all while decrying the same actions from their opponents.

That’s not the kind of thing that makes any nation great. 🤷
 
‘General Flynn certainly has a story to tell, and he very much wants to tell it, should the circumstances permit,’ said Flynn’s attorney, Robert Kelner.

Kelner said no ‘reasonable person’ with legal counsel would answer questions without assurances that he would not be prosecuted, given calls from some members of Congress that the retired lieutenant general should face criminal charges.
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dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4366396/Ex-Trump-adviser-Flynn-seeks-immunity-testimony-Russia-probe-WSJ.html

It seems he wants to testify but both the FBI and the House and Senate intelligence committees have not accepted the offer, the Wall Street Journal reports.

It would be interesting to hear what he has to say. Maybe, others should follow his example and volunteer to come up to testify too to clear the air.
 
I don’t trust any of the politicians; they will stab you in the back in two seconds.

He needs to protect himself.

There are numerous cases of people acting in good faith and then getting stabbed in the back.

Politicians and bureaucrats.

They will get you every time.

They will find something.
 
Ah, America, what self deluding people. Russia is on the side of God; America is on the side of Turkey. That should be all the information anyone needs.
 
Michael68 said:
He is more than likely doing this to avoid false charges from the absolutely insane Democrats bent on taking the Administration down.
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Can’t say I blame him, though it appears he is unlikely to get it. What are his alternatives? On the one hand, he can testify and try to thread through the snares that will undoubtedly be laid for him and perhaps face charges if he misunderstands something, answers without every detail being correct, or he can take the fifth and look even worse than he does now. Not much there for him.

And if anybody doubts the ability of clever interrogators to trip a person up, ask any trial lawyer how often he/she manages to do it when the person asked simply doesn’t understand the question, doesn’t answer fully or tosses out an answer without thoroughly parsing every word of the question. Happens every day.
 
josh987654321 said:
And what he said about Clinton is absolutely true, nobody seeks immunity unless they have done something wrong.

I think the whole concept of immunity is wrong and unjust, a reduced sentence/penalty would be fair I think, but not immunity. I understand why it’s there, but I still think it terribly unjust.

I’ll wait and see what comes out. I do not think Trump is/was in collusion with Russia.
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Everyone has done something wrong legally. There are lots of laws whose purpose it is to make sure every one of us has something we can be charged with. Voluntarily talking to law enforcement is almost always a bad idea.

I agree about immunity. It is unfair for a man to escape justice. It also encourages lying. If you are literally immune from the consequences of your testimony then you have no incentive to stick to the truth.
 
steve93 said:
Ah, America, what self deluding people. Russia is on the side of God; America is on the side of Turkey. That should be all the information anyone needs.
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America is stuck with Turkey at the present, but I question whether God would say Russia is on “His side”. Nor would Ukrainians, Crimean Tatars or Catholic monks in Crimea.
 
Ridgerunner said:
America is stuck with Turkey at the present, but I question whether God would say Russia is on “His side”. Nor would Ukrainians, Crimean Tatars or Catholic monks in Crimea.
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Our Lady at Fatima had some things to say about Russia
 
steve93 said:
Ah, America, what self deluding people. Russia is on the side of God; America is on the side of Turkey. That should be all the information anyone needs.
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So God is on the side of a thug dictator now?

Putin and his ilk are a blight on this world. Full stop.
 
josh987654321 said:
And what he said about Clinton is absolutely true, nobody seeks immunity unless they have done something wrong.

I think the whole concept of immunity is wrong and unjust, a reduced sentence/penalty would be fair I think, but not immunity. I understand why it’s there, but I still think it terribly unjust.

I’ll wait and see what comes out. I do not think Trump is/was in collusion with Russia.

Thank you for reading
Josh
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Immunity is necessary in certain instances because a person is allowed not to reveal evidence against himself: fifth amendment. It would be wrong for a government to require that a person reveal evidence which could be used to convict him.
 
exnihilo said:
Everyone has done something wrong legally. There are lots of laws whose purpose it is to make sure every one of us has something we can be charged with. Voluntarily talking to law enforcement is almost always a bad idea.

I agree about immunity. It is unfair for a man to escape justice. It also encourages lying. If you are literally immune from the consequences of your testimony then you have no incentive to stick to the truth.
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Generally, immunity is limited. It is a provision to allow someone to reveal information about his actions without fear of prosecution, and a good prosecutor will tailor the immunity so as to limit it to the criminal activity the person is likely to discuss.

Should the witness then lie, he ought then to be open for prosecution for perjury.
 
Sy_Noe said:
Ironic from the man who previously said about Hillary Clinton staffers, when you are given immunity, that means you have probably committed a crime.

His lawyer says Flynn certainly has a story to tell. I doubt he has much loyalty to Trump and the Trump team now. I wonder if the WH is a bit more uncomfortable tonight.
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josh987654321 said:
And what he said about Clinton is absolutely true, nobody seeks immunity unless they have done something wrong.

I think the whole concept of immunity is wrong and unjust, a reduced sentence/penalty would be fair I think, but not immunity. I understand why it’s there, but I still think it terribly unjust.

I’ll wait and see what comes out. I do not think Trump is/was in collusion with Russia.

Thank you for reading
Josh
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I don’t think it is true that no one seeks immunity unless they have done something wrong. All too often, what seems to be an innocent conversation can *later *be construed as evidence of involvement in conspiracy.

If my friend and I are joking around about killing her extremely nasty ex-husband, say, and then later he turns up dead in circumstances similar to those we worked out, then I could be charged with conspiracy to commit murder if my friend were charged in the murder.

Since the government can not force me to go against my 5th amendment right, they can not compell me to testify: I can refuse to testify by pleading the Fifth, or refuse to answer on the grounds it may incriminate me. This is a valid reason for refusing to testify.

The only recourse the government has in that situation is to offer immunity.

IOW, now Gen. Flynn knows upclose and personal how wrong he was when he said that anyone who seeks immunity must have done something wrong. That is where the error lies.
 
Michael68 said:
He is more than likely doing this to avoid false charges from the absolutely insane Democrats bent on taking the Administration down.
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At one of the debates broadcast worldwide, Trump called for the Russians to hack Hillary’s email. This happened BEFORE he had even been elected. It’s a wee bit difficult to call it “false charges” when the treason-level evidence is all right there in the open. Are the guy’s loyalties with the U.S., or are his loyalties with Russia? We need this investigated fully.
 
Ridgerunner said:
America is stuck with Turkey at the present, but I question whether God would say Russia is on “His side”. Nor would Ukrainians, Crimean Tatars or Catholic monks in Crimea.
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The Crimea is Russian with same certainty that the whole island is Ireland.
 
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