Following Church teaching on homosexuality leads to collateral sin?

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I am Catholic, and I love my faith about everything else. I know the Church’s moral and theological teaching pretty well, and have had sixteen years of the best Catholic education money can buy (grade school, high school and college). I worked for three years in youth ministry and am am integral part of several ongoing social justice missions.

However, I am a homosexual. It is the greatest sorrow of my life and is a source of constant suffering. I am twenty-four years old, and my entire life I have been fighting the feelings I cannot help but have. I live chastely and pray that I will be purified, but still it looms over every aspect of my life. According to the Church, I cannot live openly as a homosexual, but this leads to a lot of venial sins I must commit in order to hide my true nature, specifically lying.

Are the lies I have to tell in order to keep my nature hidden sinful?
 
Why do you feel that you have to lie? Why do you feel that silence (in situations where your sexuality is an irrelevance, and particularly where it is illegal for someone to ask about it) or the truth - that you suffer from SSA but are living chastely in accord with Church teaching - aren’t appropriate in your circumstances?

Would such an admission jeopardise your work or life in some fashion? If so, then the employer and/or the job (or whatever else is being jeopardised) may not be right for you - possibly you’re being called to serve or minister - or live - in other ways.
 
I am Catholic, and I love my faith about everything else. I know the Church’s moral and theological teaching pretty well, and have had sixteen years of the best Catholic education money can buy (grade school, high school and college). I worked for three years in youth ministry and am am integral part of several ongoing social justice missions.

However, I am a homosexual. It is the greatest sorrow of my life and is a source of constant suffering. I am twenty-four years old, and my entire life I have been fighting the feelings I cannot help but have. I live chastely and pray that I will be purified, but still it looms over every aspect of my life. According to the Church, I cannot live openly as a homosexual, but this leads to a lot of venial sins I must commit in order to hide my true nature, specifically lying.

Are the lies I have to tell in order to keep my nature hidden sinful?
I’m pretty sure living openly as a homosexual means being in a homosexual relationship, no? If you tell other people you are attracted to the same sex, you’re not living as a homosexual.

I’m really sorry for your situation though. 😦
 
It takes a lot of courage to “Come Out”, more then many could ever muster. I am not worried so much about your “lies” then your bent up frustration. You need to find someone to confide with somehow.
 
Why do you feel that you have to lie? Why do you feel that silence (in situations where your sexuality is an irrelevance, and particularly where it is illegal for someone to ask about it) or the truth - that you suffer from SSA but are living chastely in accord with Church teaching - aren’t appropriate in your circumstances?

Would such an admission jeopardise your work or life in some fashion? If so, then the employer and/or the job (or whatever else is being jeopardised) may not be right for you - possibly you’re being called to serve or minister - or live - in other ways.
First, please do not call it SSA, it’s an obnoxious euphemism. To answer your question, I feel I have to lie when a friend or family member blatantly asks, “are you homosexual?” Any response other than to lie and say “no” would logically indicate that I was. Friends and family members knowing would cause significant problems in my relationships with them, and as a homosexual living chastely in accord with Church teaching, they are all I have.

Such an admission could in fact jeopardize my job and certainly my ministry work. For my job, I work in a very liberal industry (the literary industry) and have many liberal friends. Once I admit that I am a homosexual who lives chastely, I become instantly slathered with labels such as “repressed” and “self-loathing.” My gay friends would view me as a traitor. Not that I mind the labels so much, but I do mind the loss of friendships with people I deeply care about, especially when friendships are the only meaningful relationships I am allowed. Beyond the friendships, I love my job. I enjoy what I do.

As for ministry, Catholic parents do not want their children to be supervised by a known homosexual, whether he is chaste or not. There is such a vicious stigma attached to homosexuality, that only the most intelligent and understanding of people would be able to see past it, and those people are few among conservative Catholic parents.
 
It takes a lot of courage to “Come Out”, more then many could ever muster. I am not worried so much about your “lies” then your bent up frustration. You need to find someone to confide with somehow.
It does, but it also takes a lot of courage to bungee jump, and I don’t plan on doing that either. Courage only has value when it is applied to a worthy cause.

I am worried about my frustration as well. Because of my faith, my homosexuality basically condemns me to living the rest of my life alone. I cannot live with another man, because that may qualify as a near occasion of sin. I cannot live with a woman because that would cause scandal. And beyond that, I really don’t understand why God doesn’t want me to experience love as a husband does, when I have to capacity as a human being to do so.
 
First, please do not call it SSA, it’s an obnoxious euphemism.
I’m sorry, I’ve never before known anyone to object to the term. My intent was certainly not to offend at all.
To answer your question, I feel I have to lie when a friend or family member blatantly asks, “are you homosexual?” Any response other than to lie and say “no” would logically indicate that I was. Friends and family members knowing would cause significant problems in my relationships with them, and as a homosexual living chastely in accord with Church teaching, they are all I have.
Yes, certainly I can see the issue with telling one’s family. But then lying is, it seems, causing nearly if not actually as many problems as it solves - not a very satisfactory state of affairs either. Remember, we’re not obligated in any way to disclose our sexuality to family members, however they may question us.

I’ve had to put up with a share of nosey relatives, being mid-thirties and having, to some of their knowledge, never dated, although not due to a preference for my own gender. And yes, I’ve had to say ‘none of your business’ to some questions. No-one thought I was gay as a result of my doing so, I can assure you.
Such an admission could in fact jeopardize my job and certainly my ministry work. For my job, I work in a very liberal industry (the literary industry) and have many liberal friends. Once I admit that I am a homosexual who lives chastely, I become instantly slathered with labels such as “repressed” and “self-loathing.” My gay friends would view me as a traitor. Not that I mind the labels so much, but I do mind the loss of friendships with people I deeply care about, especially when friendships are the only meaningful relationships I am allowed. Beyond the friendships, I love my job. I enjoy what I do.
I love and enjoy any number of things - singing, painting, cooking. Doesn’t mean that I’m meant or properly equipped to do any of the above as a job or profession, though, much as I love or enjoy them.

And I too have very liberal acquaintances (wouldn’t call them friends) and colleagues - people who tend to label ANY Catholic who actually adheres to Church teachings, especially on sexuality (be it by believing in virginity before marriage, believing in not using contraception or abortion, believing that women shouldn’t be priests and the like) as ‘repressed’ or ‘self-loathing’.

Some people simply don’t understand those who think differently, perhaps we even prick their consciences by posing a challenge to their accepted world-view. I’ve found over time that it’s just not worth maintaining a facade in order to retain so-called ‘friends’. The ones who are truly worth knowing will eventually accept you as you are, if not endorse your thinking, the ones who don’t seriously aren’t worth mourning over. Honestly, no job is worth the horror of living a lie day in day out.
As for ministry, Catholic parents do not want their children to be supervised by a known homosexual, whether he is chaste or not. There is such a vicious stigma attached to homosexuality, that only the most intelligent and understanding of people would be able to see past it, and those people are few among conservative Catholic parents.
Well, the stigma is already there to an extent. You’re already being asked, which means people are already questioning your sexuality. 🤷

If I had something in my past or present that affected my employment chances, as much as it sucked and was unfair, I’d look for work in areas where it wasn’t a major issue, and then work hard to show my trustworthiness and give people a chance to get comfortable around me, before trying to make the leap.
 
First, please do not call it SSA, it’s an obnoxious euphemism. To answer your question, I feel I have to lie when a friend or family member blatantly asks, “are you homosexual?” Any response other than to lie and say “no” would logically indicate that I was. Friends and family members knowing would cause significant problems in my relationships with them, and as a homosexual living chastely in accord with Church teaching, they are all I have.

Such an admission could in fact jeopardize my job and certainly my ministry work. For my job, I work in a very liberal industry (the literary industry) and have many liberal friends. Once I admit that I am a homosexual who lives chastely, I become instantly slathered with labels such as “repressed” and “self-loathing.” My gay friends would view me as a traitor. Not that I mind the labels so much, but I do mind the loss of friendships with people I deeply care about, especially when friendships are the only meaningful relationships I am allowed. Beyond the friendships, I love my job. I enjoy what I do.

As for ministry, Catholic parents do not want their children to be supervised by a known homosexual, whether he is chaste or not. There is such a vicious stigma attached to homosexuality, that only the most intelligent and understanding of people would be able to see past it, and those people are few among conservative Catholic parents.
I agree that lying is an undesirable solution to this. And I also agree that you can’t split hairs–if a family member asks you if you’re a homosexual, and you say no, you’re lying. But maybe its okay to tell the truth.

I guess I have to ask whether your family and liberal friends don’t already know you to be a Catholic. If you are a homosexual living chastely, I would imagine you are also working to be devout in other areas, as well? My friends know well that I am trying be a devout Catholic, and if I were a homosexual, that would surprise them, but it wouldn’t surprise them that I were trying to be chaste. Its quite ironic, isn’t it, that “liberal” people would reject the lifestyle choice of homosexuals to live chastely?

As for the ministry… obviously none of us know your situation, but perhaps you’ve been placed in this position to help educate the parents and others in your church about chaste homosexuals. The Church will never truly be a place of refuge for homosexuals until its members look no differently upon a chaste homosexual as a chaste straight person. Perhaps this is the task you have been given? Certainly if devout, chaste homosexuals made themselves known in every parish, the Church would benefit greatly, at least in the US.
 
I know of men who live a platonic lifestyle together, I would not see that as a scandle. If others do, then they should mind their own business.
 
If I had something in my past or present that affected my employment chances, as much as it sucked and was unfair, I’d look for work in areas where it wasn’t a major issue, and then work hard to show my trustworthiness and give people a chance to get comfortable around me, before trying to make the leap.
So the advice we’ve seen here is for him to quit his job (which he likes) and to leave the church activities (which he finds fulfilling and rewarding).

As far as we can tell he is following the Church’s teachings on homosexuality, but here he’s being told he should leave his various ministries. Doesn’t anyone else find it ironic that following Church teaching is what would get you in trouble with other parents looking for leaders that follow Church teachings? It’s like you’re telling him “What the Church says is all well and good, but here we have a higher standard.” As far as I know the Church has only said that homosexuals shouldn’t be ordained, not that they can’t do something else.

You shouldn’t lie to the people in your life, but that doesn’t mean you need to answer their questions either. In your professional line of work I imagine there would be any number of people willing to condemn you for your lifestyle whether you were gay, straight, married or single, or had one kid or a twenty kids. There are stories out there about what people overcome just trying to lead faithful Catholic lives. In the Church people may be asking questions not because they think you are gay, but because they are nosey. WE don’t know what thought process led them to believe you were gay, so we can’t assume they think you are gay immediately.

I’d say keep doing what you are doing and instead of lying just find ways to answer the questions without answering them.

ChadS
 
Torn, you not only recognize your vice but you are consciously fighting and praying to overcome it. Is that correct?

If so, then I place you ahead of a number of us who, instead, lie to ourselves about our vices, (be they different from yours or not), and make little effort to fight against temptations.

If you don’t want to explain the situation, when the subject of sexual preference comes up, you could just say that you have chosen to be celibate and leave it at that.

I applaud you for your strength and courage and will pray for you.
 
First, please do not call it SSA, it’s an obnoxious euphemism. To answer your question, I feel I have to lie when a friend or family member blatantly asks, “are you homosexual?” Any response other than to lie and say “no” would logically indicate that I was. Friends and family members knowing would cause significant problems in my relationships with them, and as a homosexual living chastely in accord with Church teaching, they are all I have.

Such an admission could in fact jeopardize my job and certainly my ministry work. For my job, I work in a very liberal industry (the literary industry) and have many liberal friends. Once I admit that I am a homosexual who lives chastely, I become instantly slathered with labels such as “repressed” and “self-loathing.” My gay friends would view me as a traitor. Not that I mind the labels so much, but I do mind the loss of friendships with people I deeply care about, especially when friendships are the only meaningful relationships I am allowed. Beyond the friendships, I love my job. I enjoy what I do.

As for ministry, Catholic parents do not want their children to be supervised by a known homosexual, whether he is chaste or not. There is such a vicious stigma attached to homosexuality, that only the most intelligent and understanding of people would be able to see past it, and those people are few among conservative Catholic parents.
I beg to differ about the term “Same Sex Attraction”, if I correctly understand what you are saying. Terminology is crucial. What do people want to know when they ask you if you are a homosexual? If it would be helpful to use a different term, a “softer” term like SSA perhaps, why not use it? For many folks it has a much different connotation than “homosexual”; attraction means simply that, while homosexual many times implies sexual activity. Fine line, perhaps.

I see and appreciate your dilemma, whether to “come out” or to “live a lie”.

As far as family goes, it sounds like they have suspicions anyway. Is it something that you get asked a lot?

When asked, why not ask them, “Why do ***you ***ask?” and/or “If I was, would it make any difference to you?” or something to that effect.

As far as friends go, I think you need to reflect on the question of, "Are they really friends worth keeping who would "slathere(r) you with labels such as “repressed” and “self-loathing.” or “view (you) as a traitor”.

In other words, if you are as committed to your faith as you seem, your say that your gay friends would shun you because of it. Are these friends worth keeping?

It seems from what you’re saying that you care more about your friends, who would turn on you, than they care about you. Time to re-examine those friendships, methinks…or, consider the possibility that you are wrong about their response to your coming out.

In any case, as far as the job goes, I’m assuming that in letting the cat out of the bag with your friend and family that the youth ministry part of your work would be in jeopardy. That, brother, goes with the territory. Fairly or not, this is in part a matter of circumstance and of the times.

Whether or not it affects you negatively, parents have a right to know if their children are associating with a homosexual person, chaste or not. You have no right to deceive anyone if you are asked from anyone connected with your youth ministry. If you are not asked, which you should not be, you still should be forthcoming with whomever is your superior.

Can you imagine the potential fallout for your superior? What did they know and when did they know it, etc. etc. Again, fairly or not, keeping this under wraps is a time bomb, and when it eventually goes off, you will not be the only one affected.

That being said, perhaps your talents are better or best used in another sort of ministry? Someone in your position would be perfect to minister to other homosexuals, chaste or not.

All in all, I appreciate the difficulty of your dilemma and will pray for you.
 
I am Catholic, and I love my faith about everything else. I know the Church’s moral and theological teaching pretty well, and have had sixteen years of the best Catholic education money can buy (grade school, high school and college). I worked for three years in youth ministry and am am integral part of several ongoing social justice missions.

However, I am a homosexual. It is the greatest sorrow of my life and is a source of constant suffering. I am twenty-four years old, and my entire life I have been fighting the feelings I cannot help but have. I live chastely and pray that I will be purified, but still it looms over every aspect of my life. According to the Church, I cannot live openly as a homosexual, but this leads to a lot of venial sins I must commit in order to hide my true nature, specifically lying.

Are the lies I have to tell in order to keep my nature hidden sinful?
Have you read The COurage to be Chaste by Fr. Benedict Groeschel?
amazon.com/Courage-Be-Chaste-Benedict-Groeschel/dp/0809127059
Have you contacted the folks at Courage?
couragerc.net/
Here’s another one.
couragetobechaste.org/

There is nothing sinful, only disordered in “being” a homosexual… At least that is what I understand from Church teaching. The sin is in acting on it and choosing to be unchaste.
I am a single straight person. If I were to go have sex with someone, that would be a mortal sin, and kill the life of grace in my soul.

Clearly you have a cross to bear, your testimony can be a mighty one if you have the courage to pick up that cross on a daily basis and follow Him. This is no longer about your head knowledge. This is to see what is truly in your heart.
 
So the advice we’ve seen here is for him to quit his job (which he likes) and to leave the church activities (which he finds fulfilling and rewarding).

**As far as we can tell he is following the Church’s teachings on homosexuality, but here he’s being told he should leave his various ministries. ** **Doesn’t anyone else find it ironic that following Church teaching is what would get you in trouble with other parents looking for leaders that follow Church teachings? ** It’s like you’re telling him “What the Church says is all well and good, but here we have a higher standard.” As far as I know the Church has only said that homosexuals shouldn’t be ordained, not that they can’t do something else.

You shouldn’t lie to the people in your life, but that doesn’t mean you need to answer their questions either. In your professional line of work I imagine there would be any number of people willing to condemn you for your lifestyle whether you were gay, straight, married or single, or had one kid or a twenty kids. There are stories out there about what people overcome just trying to lead faithful Catholic lives. In the Church people may be asking questions not because they think you are gay, but because they are nosey. WE don’t know what thought process led them to believe you were gay, so we can’t assume they think you are gay immediately.

I’d say keep doing what you are doing and instead of lying just find ways to answer the questions without answering them.

ChadS
I didn’t get that he’s being asked to leave his ministries, but that he’s concerned that such **would **happen if he came out.

Ironic? Yep. A victim, perhaps, of the times and of the transgressions of the Priests and Bishops involved in the abuse scandal (not to equate chaste homosexuality and pedophilia).
 
You speak for me too Torn!

I am now in my 40s, and keep asking the question where do i turn to?

It has become more of an issue since i returned to Church , and with all the abuse scandal, what got me back into the Church was reading a pamphlet on SSA (i actually prefer this term as i feel it unfair to be labelled homosexual when no homosexual acts have been committed) and seeing that the Church looks on the acts/lust as sinful and goes on to say that homosexuals should be given compassion and understanding (in so many words).

I haven’t seen much compassion or understanding … all i hear about is the abuse scandal (which is terrible , but i would like to hear occasionally in a homily that chastity is something to be honoured/respected for heterosexual and SSA indivduals, the only place i have seen reference to this in the pamphlet i read! - it is however part of the Catechisis of the Church)

I also have “social anxiety” and find the secrecy a barrier to overcoming this (or could be the cause) since i never feel as though i am being fully open to anyone.

I am now looking beyond my Parish for some help (encourage group but they are over a hundred miles away so cannot afford to attend) for as soon as i confessed to my priest that i had this inclination (and some sins associated with impure thoughts) there has been no help - i even tried talking him outside of confession and he mentioned the word “scandal”, i cannot understand this - if i were a priest i would go out of my way to help some one living chastely with SSA

I don’t blame any one individual (including our priest whom i respect and look for guidance, i cannot fault what my priest says i just think i occasionally could do with some friends in Church with whom i can speak openly)

God Bless You - Tony
 
I beg to differ about the term “Same Sex Attraction”, if I correctly understand what you are saying. Terminology is crucial. What do people want to know when they ask you if you are a homosexual? If it would be helpful to use a different term, a “softer” term like SSA perhaps, why not use it? For many folks it has a much different connotation than “homosexual”; attraction means simply that, while homosexual many times implies sexual activity. Fine line, perhaps.

I see and appreciate your dilemma, whether to “come out” or to “live a lie”.

As far as family goes, it sounds like they have suspicions anyway. Is it something that you get asked a lot?
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When asked, why not ask them, “Why do ***you *****ask?” and/or “If I was, would it make any difference to you?” or something to that effect.

As far as friends go, I think you need to reflect on the question of, "Are they really friends worth keeping who would "slathere(r) you with labels such as “repressed” and “self-loathing.” or “view (you) as a traitor”.

**In other words, if you are as committed to your faith as you seem, your say that your gay friends would shun you because of it. Are these friends worth keeping?

It seems from what you’re saying that you care more about your friends, who would turn on you, than they care about you. Time to re-examine those friendships, methinks…or, consider the possibility that you are wrong about their response to your coming out.**

In any case, as far as the job goes, I’m assuming that in letting the cat out of the bag with your friend and family that the youth ministry part of your work would be in jeopardy. That, brother, goes with the territory. Fairly or not, this is in part a matter of circumstance and of the times.

Whether or not it affects you negatively, parents have a right to know if their children are associating with a homosexual person, chaste or not. You have no right to deceive anyone if you are asked from anyone connected with your youth ministry. If you are not asked, which you should not be, you still should be forthcoming with whomever is your superior.

Can you imagine the potential fallout for your superior? What did they know and when did they know it, etc. etc. Again, fairly or not, keeping this under wraps is a time bomb, and when it eventually goes off, you will not be the only one affected.

That being said, perhaps your talents are better or best used in another sort of ministry? Someone in your position would be perfect to minister to other homosexuals, chaste or not.

All in all, I appreciate the difficulty of your dilemma and will pray for you.
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"**When asked, why not ask them, “Why do ***you *ask?" and/or “If I was, would it make any difference to you?” or something to that effect.” Jesus often answered a question with questions of His own to determine the nature and purpose of the original question. He was very good at not trapping Himself.

"**In other words, if you are as committed to your faith as you seem, your say that your gay friends would shun you because of it. Are these friends worth keeping?

It seems from what you’re saying that you care more about your friends, who would turn on you, than they care about you. Time to re-examine those friendships, methinks…or, consider the possibility that you are wrong about their response to your coming out.** "
Yes, you will find out who your true friends are. I strongly suggest reading Sirach 6.

"**Whether or not it affects you negatively, parents have a right to know if their children are associating with a homosexual person, chaste or not. You have no right to deceive anyone if you are asked from anyone connected with your youth ministry. If you are not asked, which you should not be, you still should be forthcoming with whomever is your superior.

Can you imagine the potential fallout for your superior? What did they know and when did they know it, etc. etc. Again, fairly or not, keeping this under wraps is a time bomb, and when it eventually goes off, you will not be the only one affected.**"

I must agree. Also, make sure you are never alone with a child. Good advice for anyone! Have you attended a VIRTUS training session? virtus.org/virtus/

"That being said, perhaps your talents are better or best used in another sort of ministry? Someone in your position would be perfect to minister to other homosexuals, chaste or not.

I absolutely agree. You have made a choice that deserves to be shared with others who may be struggling. Think of the witness your life and choice could be for others - homosexuals and heterosexuals whose only ‘knowledge’ is the stereotype the secular media presents.

You are only 24 years old. You may have a long life ahead of you. Is this how you want to live it? “If God brings you to it, God will bring you through it.” Pray about it. Speak with your priest.

You are in my prayers.
 
Hi again Torn , If you only have SSA attractions for adults then i don’t see any reason why Youth ministry is a problem , it is extremely important to emphasise here for the sake of clairty that SSA does not equate to paedophilia!!!
 
Hi again Torn , If you only have SSA attractions for adults then i don’t see any reason why Youth ministry is a problem , it is extremely important to stress here that SSA does not equate to paedophilia!!!
👍 But, sadly, too often, truth and perception are not one in the same. People with ‘agendas’ don’t want to be bothered with the truth. Look at abortion, for example.
 
I , I cannot live openly as a homosexual, but this leads to a lot of venial sins I must commit in order to hide my true nature, specifically lying.

Are the lies I have to tell in order to keep my nature hidden sinful?
no, you cannot live openly as a gay, which is something different, and something you have successfully avoided. No this does not require lying, it merely requires withholding personal information about yourself from people who have to right to that information. you have our admiration and prayers for your steadfastness in the face of this burden.
 
Hi LindasK , You highlight an important point - ie: what is the “Truth and Light” and what is false - human perception - i would like to see the Catholic Church talk more (educate) about the fact that people with SSA are to be welcomed by all , then false perceptions would subside and people would cast aside their perceptions
 
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