Food Price Riots Popping Up Around The World

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ribozyme said:
Regarding the current candidates, is there any one that would not lead to that? You do not have to mention anyone specific.
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Well, one might start with one who has a history of opposing spending increases, whoever that might be.
 
Doug50 said:
what if people move out of the city onto farms to do manual labor or go hungry? It’s been done before
http://z.about.com/d/americanhistory/1/0/j/1/farming5.jpg

Has the industry been hampered? Sure. Would it make a lot of difference at this point? No, because the volumes demanded to keep GDPs growing are outstripping the ability to supply that demand even if the reserves are there. There simply isn’t enough rigs and service infrastructure, and, more importantly, enough experenced help to do the job even if the rigs were available. It takes years to get that experience. And aside from all that everyone (and I mean everyone) in the know on both sides of the peak oil debate all agree that when it comes to oil supplies America will never be independent again at the volumes it demands. the extra oil will have to come from the middle east.
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Cambodia … somewhere around 1974.
 
Al_Masetti said:
Cambodia … somewhere around 1974.
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Also Missouri, where I grew up, somewhere around 1950 when gasoline was around 10 cents/gallon. Cheap fuel does not necessarily make a paradise, nor does expensive fuel necessarily make a hell. Its relative expensiveness depends on what gets produced with it and how.
 
drpmjhess said:
(1) It’s a private international discussion consortium of scholars, oil investors and other interested parties. We are working on a book on ethical and religious issues at the end of the age of oil.

(4) As petroleum runs out, the population will eventually fall back to the solar carrying capacity of the Earth, whether we do anything about it or not.

The solar carrying capacity was about one billion in 1850; oil pushed that up to 6.6 billion today.
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Again, what is the name of the consortium and some of its most prominent members? Why should we believe them?

What is the “solar carrying capacity”? Is that what you get when you rely solely on biological resources for fuel, as in wood and animal muscle?
 
Ridgerunner said:
Again, what is the name of the consortium and some of its most prominent members? Why should we believe them?

What is the “solar carrying capacity”? Is that what you get when you rely solely on biological resources for fuel, as in wood and animal muscle?
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Why would you expect him to name names at this point in time? That would take permission from them if only for respect. Nobody is asking for your real name.
warsocialism.com/duncan_tscq_07.pdf
members.aol.com/optjournal/demise.doc
politicsandthelifesciences.org/Contents/Contents-2001-9/PLS_2001-9-entire.pdf#page=110
 
Ridgerunner said:
Also Missouri, where I grew up, somewhere around 1950 when gasoline was around 10 cents/gallon. Cheap fuel does not necessarily make a paradise, nor does expensive fuel necessarily make a hell. Its relative expensiveness depends on what gets produced with it and how.
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when supplies become limited or so expensive and there’s no alternative then digging potateos like these in the photo could once again become a way of life.
Societies have fallen, including Christian ones. Why would our world be any different?
 
Al_Masetti said:
This article belongs somewhere else, but what the heck:

It’s about wasting energy by flaring off natural gas:

eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-05/dnnl-hms052108.php
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Al, natural gas is flared if there’s no pipeline available, and a pipeline company isn’t going to run a pipe to the field if the volumes aren’t going to pay off the cost of the pipeline. Also, natural gas can be high in H2S, Nitrogen, or CO2 that doesn’t make the stuff marketable. Your a big free market interprise guy. Keep your nose out of the oil industry. If it’s finacially marketable to run the pipline or compress it they’ll do so as natural gas prices rise and rise.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Again, what is the name of the consortium and some of its most prominent members? Why should we believe them?

What is the “solar carrying capacity”? Is that what you get when you rely solely on biological resources for fuel, as in wood and animal muscle?
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(1) What makes you think I would trust you with this information? No offense, but I’ve been shafted by other Catholics on other threads in this forum. I’ll send you the title and publication information when the book comes out in the autumn.

(2) The populations of all animal and plant species ― from bacteria to salmon to redwood trees to humans and other mammals ― are circumscribed by the limits of their environments, and during millions of years of evolution have reached equilibrium populations. “Carrying capacity” refers to the “maximum population size of a species that an area can support without reducing its ability to support the same species in the future. Greater adaptability permits an organism a wider habitat range, but does not change the fundamental biological limitations of carrying capacity.

In the case of humans, “solar carrying capacity” refers to the number of individuals that can be supported by the annual (name removed by moderator)ut of energy from the sun into terrestrial ecosystems, measured in terms of food grown, wood available for heating and shelter, etc. To use a financial analogy, for millennia humans lived off the interest of their Earth bank account; the present human population of 6.6 billion is eating up in a few generations the principal laid down over hundreds of millions of years.

Petrus
 
drpmjhess said:
(1) What makes you think I would trust you with this information? No offense, but I’ve been shafted by other Catholics on other threads in this forum. I’ll send you the title and publication information when the book comes out in the autumn.

(2) The populations of all animal and plant species ― from bacteria to salmon to redwood trees to humans and other mammals ― are circumscribed by the limits of their environments, and during millions of years of evolution have reached equilibrium populations. “Carrying capacity” refers to the “maximum population size of a species that an area can support without reducing its ability to support the same species in the future. Greater adaptability permits an organism a wider habitat range, but does not change the fundamental biological limitations of carrying capacity.

In the case of humans, “solar carrying capacity” refers to the number of individuals that can be supported by the annual (name removed by moderator)ut of energy from the sun into terrestrial ecosystems, measured in terms of food grown, wood available for heating and shelter, etc. To use a financial analogy, for millennia humans lived off the interest of their Earth bank account; the present human population of 6.6 billion is eating up in a few generations the principal laid down over hundreds of millions of years.

Petrus
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“Anyone who believes exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world
is either a madman or an economist.” ~ Kenneth Boulding

Based on your sig, what do you think of the law of accelerating returns?
 
drpmjhess said:
(1) What makes you think I would trust you with this information? No offense, but I’ve been shafted by other Catholics on other threads in this forum. I’ll send you the title and publication information when the book comes out in the autumn.** Don’t get paranoid. I wondered whether the organization was some kind of organization that is considered authoritative, or just a bunch of like-minded guys. I think you answered it.**

In the case of humans, “solar carrying capacity” refers to the number of individuals that can be supported by the annual (name removed by moderator)ut of energy from the sun into terrestrial ecosystems, measured in terms of food grown, wood available for heating and shelter, etc.Log cabins, stagecoaches, windmills and muscle power, then. An Amish world. Got it.
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USDA: Ethanol getting bum rap
Joseph Morton, Midlands News Service

Secretary of Agriculture Ed Schafer and other top USDA brass said ethanol has played a relatively minor role in rising food prices.

Bigger factors include skyrocketing gas prices, increased global consumption of meat and dairy products, and significant droughts in several areas around the world, they said.

"It’s clear that while bioenergy generation does have some effect on prices, it is not a major effect. It’s not even a big effect,’’ Schafer said.

Link
 
drpmjhess said:
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In the case of humans, “solar carrying capacity” refers to the number of individuals that can be supported by the annual (name removed by moderator)ut of energy from the sun into terrestrial ecosystems, measured in terms of food grown, wood available for heating and shelter, etc.
Petrus
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This ought to be very good news for Vern Humphrey, who lives in the Saudi Arabia of firewood. George Soros will have to reckon with Vern when Soros tries to manipulate firewood futures on the commodities market, which will then have moved to Bentonville.

Wonder if the Saudis have figured out yet how much it’s going to cost them to import a rick of wood from Arkansas on a clipper ship. Well, I guess they can always burn camel dung again, to keep the chill off on those cold Arabian winter nights. Vern, on the other hand, will be able to make an even bigger carbon footprint than Al Gore, in solar terms, of course, with his fireplace blazing and his donkeys blasting methane into the atmosphere. Poor Al, on the other hand, will be promoting global warming then; his main mansion being impossible to heat.
 
Ridgerunner said:
This ought to be very good news for Vern Humphrey, who lives in the Saudi Arabia of firewood. George Soros will have to reckon with Vern when Soros tries to manipulate firewood futures on the commodities market, which will then have moved to Bentonville.

Wonder if the Saudis have figured out yet how much it’s going to cost them to import a rick of wood from Arkansas on a clipper ship. Well, I guess they can always burn camel dung again, to keep the chill off on those cold Arabian winter nights. Vern, on the other hand, will be able to make an even bigger carbon footprint than Al Gore, in solar terms, of course, with his fireplace blazing and his donkeys blasting methane into the atmosphere. Poor Al, on the other hand, will be promoting global warming then; his main mansion being impossible to heat.
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The Liberals and other Socialists will ban burning fire wood on grounds of air pollution. Ditto, camel dung.
 
Al_Masetti said:
The Liberals and other Socialists will ban burning fire wood on grounds of air pollution. Ditto, camel dung.
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Umm… Is there actually any difference between Liberals and Socialists? IMO, they are part of the same dice that includes Marxism and others.
 
drpmjhess said:
I like one of the comments on this video: “I see a gigadeath coming.” Probably five gigadeaths are approaching as we see the excess population trimmed to carrying capacity of 1-3 billion. In light of this, deliberate contribution to overpopulation appears a glaring sin.
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Gigadeaths… scary, scary stuff.

I thought it would take about 400 million deaths for the world to come to its senses and reject the taboos against conscientious population management. Gigadeaths involve too much death.

I think a technological solution in better batteries and solar will lead to a solution in the early 2020s. I just fear that we do not have enough time left to reach the 2020s with those technologies invented. There will be plenty of suffering ahead.
 
harveyc said:
There is much waste of electricity in the USA and much of the world. For the life of me, I can’t figure out why we need street lights burning bright all night long. The only light I’ve got outside my place right now is a full moon! 🙂
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Perhaps halve the number of lights after a certain hour but it’s pretty harrowing driving through parts of LA where they’ve turned a whole section of street lights off and there are pedestrians walking around. It just feels totally unsafe…and that’s DRIVING with headlights on.
 
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