Food Price Riots Popping Up Around The World

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ribozyme said:
Gigadeaths… scary, scary stuff.

I thought it would take about 400 million deaths for the world to come to its senses and reject the taboos against conscientious population management. Gigadeaths involve too much death.

I think a technological solution in better batteries and solar will lead to a solution in the early 2020s. I just fear that we do not have enough time left to reach the 2020s with those technologies invented. There will be plenty of suffering ahead.
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Ribozyme, I fear you’re right about the suffering. And it may take a gigadeath to awaken people to the need for conscientious population management. Unfortunately once the juggernaut is rolling, starvation, disease, and resource wars don’t obediently stop when we think enough people have died to wake us us.

I live in an enlightened community, and the average family size in our Catholic school is two children, quite intentionally.

Petrus
 
The Secular Relativist Crowd manufactures so-called “crisis” after so-called “crisis” and it seems the solution is the same: “Population Control” (i.e. Infanticide, Euthanasia and the likes).

“Population Control” is a fraud just like the Secular Relativists. It is about time we stand up to them and eliminate them from any influence on society. They are dangerous and need to be treated that way.
 
peregrinus_WA said:
The Secular Relativist Crowd manufactures so-called “crisis” after so-called “crisis” and it seems the solution is the same: “Population Control” (i.e. Infanticide, Euthanasia and the likes). “Population Control” is a fraud just like the Secular Relativists. It is about time we stand up to them and eliminate them from any influence on society. That are dangerous and need to be treated that way.
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Be careful of falling into conservative hysteria; no one has advocated infanticide and euthanasia.

It’s a sure bet that on a finite planet the human population will reach ZPG either voluntarily or involuntarily. As a Catholic I prefer to work for it voluntarily rather than having it imposed on us involuntarily by famine and resource wars.
 
drpmjhess said:
Be careful of falling into conservative hysteria; no one has advocated infanticide and euthanasia.
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Be careful of falling into leftist hysteria. People on these forums have advocated:
  • Artificial birth control
  • Government-issued condoms
  • Taxpayer-supported abortion
  • Laws to limit family size
  • Laws allowing “defective” children to be put to death
  • Euthanasia.
 
vern_humphrey said:
Be careful of falling into leftist hysteria. People on these forums have advocated:
  • Artificial birth control
  • Government-issued condoms
  • Taxpayer-supported abortion
  • Laws to limit family size
  • Laws allowing “defective” children to be put to death
  • Euthanasia.
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I haven’t seen these advocated. But without question we will reach ZPG.
 
drpmjhess said:
I haven’t seen these advocated. But without question we will reach ZPG.
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By means of:
  • Artificial birth control
  • Government-issued condoms
  • Taxpayer-supported abortion
  • Laws to limit family size
  • Laws allowing “defective” children to be put to death
  • Euthanasia.
 
They’d better override the veto on the Farm Bill in the House soon!
 
vern_humphrey said:
By means of:
  • Artificial birth control
  • Government-issued condoms
  • Taxpayer-supported abortion
  • Laws to limit family size
  • Laws allowing “defective” children to be put to death
  • Euthanasia.
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You forgot, Vern:
  • famine
  • pestilence
 
vern_humphrey said:
By means of:
  • Artificial birth control
  • Government-issued condoms
  • Taxpayer-supported abortion
  • Laws to limit family size
  • Laws allowing “defective” children to be put to death
  • Euthanasia.
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No, you don’t understand. All populations – squirrels, elephants, lemmings, sperm whales, humans, locusts, fruit flies, salmon, etc.-- all exist within biological parameters. Some populations periodically surge and crash; others are kept in steady balance by predator-prey relationships. Humans are more intelligent than most other creatures, so we can manipulate our parameters somewhat, but even we have a choice: either limit our population voluntarily, or nature will take care of it for us in far more tragic ways,

Petrus
 
peregrinus_WA said:
The Secular Relativist Crowd manufactures so-called “crisis” after so-called “crisis” and it seems the solution is the same: “Population Control” (i.e. Infanticide, Euthanasia and the likes).

“Population Control” is a fraud just like the Secular Relativists. It is about time we stand up to them and eliminate them from any influence on society. They are dangerous and need to be treated that way.
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I’m sorry but that was tinfoil hat stuff.

otherwise.com/population/exponent.html
 
drpmjhess said:
No, you don’t understand. All populations – squirrels, elephants, lemmings, sperm whales, humans, locusts, fruit flies, salmon, etc.-- all exist within biological parameters. Some populations periodically surge and crash; others are kept in steady balance by predator-prey relationships. Humans are more intelligent than most other creatures, so **we can manipulate our parameters **somewhat, but even we have a choice: either limit our population voluntarily, or nature will take care of it for us in far more tragic ways,

Petrus
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By means of:
  • Artificial birth control
  • Government-issued condoms
  • Taxpayer-supported abortion
  • Laws to limit family size
  • Laws allowing “defective” children to be put to death
  • Euthanasia.
 
vern_humphrey said:
By means of:
  • Artificial birth control
  • Government-issued condoms
  • Taxpayer-supported abortion
  • Laws to limit family size
  • Laws allowing “defective” children to be put to death
  • Euthanasia.
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Your obsession with these draconian methods frightens me. I hope they never put you in charge of any programs!
 
vern_humphrey said:
By means of:
  • Artificial birth control
  • Government-issued condoms
  • Taxpayer-supported abortion
  • Laws to limit family size
  • Laws allowing “defective” children to be put to death
  • Euthanasia.
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since when did you turn into a…

otherwise.com/population/logistic.html

a farm will only grow so much wheat, a ranch pasture will only support so much cattle, an island will only support so much ecosystem, and a planet will support only so much area.

You can make all those support more if you bring goods in from the outside or get greater yield per area. Petroleum (in the form of fuel and fertaizers) made the green revolution possible.

the only alternative to not fplanning is let nature take its course. Somebody is going to have to go hungry.

logistic capacity
otherwise.com/population/logistic.html
 
drpmjhess said:
Your obsession with these draconian methods frightens me. I hope they never put you in charge of any programs!
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no he’s just baring false witness onto anyone who would promote self controled limits on family size.
 
vern_humphrey said:
By means of:
  • Artificial birth control
  • Government-issued condoms
  • Taxpayer-supported abortion
  • Laws to limit family size
  • Laws allowing “defective” children to be put to death
  • Euthanasia.
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Let me ask you this, Vern: Do you believe there is any way to limit populations without legislation?
 
Doug50 said:
Let me ask you this, Vern: Do you believe there is any way to limit populations without legislation?
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I don’t believe is is either moral or necessary to limit population.

But if legislation is tried, we will see government mandated:
  • Artificial birth control
  • Government-issued condoms
  • Taxpayer-supported abortion
  • Laws to limit family size
  • Laws allowing “defective” children to be put to death
  • Euthanasia.
 
Doug50 said:
So its immor for a couple to limit their family’s size?
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I don’t know what “immor” means.

But while the Church accepts certain measures that **a couple **can use to space their children, this is the post to which I was replying:
Originally Posted by Doug50
Let me ask you this, Vern: Do you believe there is any way to limit populations without legislation?
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(My emphasis)

State sponsored population limitation almost always includes:
  • Artificial birth control
  • Government-issued condoms
  • Taxpayer-supported abortion
  • Laws to limit family size
  • Laws allowing “defective” children to be put to death
  • Euthanasia
 
vern_humphrey said:
I don’t know what “immor” means.

But while the Church accepts certain measures that **a couple **can use to space their children, this is the post to which I was replying:

(My emphasis)

State sponsored population limitation almost always includes:
  • Artificial birth control
  • Government-issued condoms
  • Taxpayer-supported abortion
  • Laws to limit family size
  • Laws allowing “defective” children to be put to death
  • Euthanasia
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You know what I ment. Do you believe it is immoral for a couple to limit their family’s size?
 
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