I don’t have an official statement. I have the FAQ from the archdioscean website and a photo of the Cardinal washing a woman’s foot.
All I am saying is that a photograph and an FAQ are not substantive, nor are they authoritative documents of the Holy See. The only one who has universal jurisdiction and authority to amend the rituals of the Church is the Supreme Pontiff, himself. Bishops, whether they are archbishops or Cardinals, do not enjoy that authority.
It is not legalism. The ritual, a very ancient one, is also very much tied into the priesthood. Remember that the Holy Eucharist was not the only sacrament celebrated on Holy Thursday. The priesthood was instituted that night as well. The priests, both in Ancient Israel and in New Israel (the Church), underwent a ritual purification ceremony.
You are missing my point. My interpretation and your interpretation are not authoritative. Cardinal DiNardo is my bishop and I will follow his direction.
This is not personal. You are making a statement that what Cardinal DiNardo is doing with regard to washing women’s feet is wrong based on PS. I am saying that I don’t care. I am following my bishop who was chosen by the Pope to lead this archdiocese. I’m very sure the Cardinal is aware of PS. I’m sure he can read it just as you have and he obviously comes to a different conclusion as to what is allowed and what isn’t. My issue is that and that alone.
Again, you seem to not understand this matter. Disagreeing and raising the issue do not equate with disobedience and disrespect. The faithful certainly have the right to question something if there is just cause. Questioning is not a sign of disobedience nor disrespect.
What she is saying the only authority here in liturgical matters is PS issued officially from Rome. The opinion of the USCCB has no authority and the document publiched on teh website is not actually written by the Bishops anyway.
My apology. You’re right I have not read those. I’m a brand new Catholic and have a VERY hard time reading those documents (but I’m trying). I’m having *great difficulty *with the Catholic terminology and acronyms (there sure is a million of them!). The Church needs to institute a special required class on Catholic Terminology and Acronyms 101, as our RICA requirements.
That is why we must go to the Latin, not a squishy language like English
The official language of the Roman Rite is Latin all official documents from Rome are published in Latin. That is where someone must go for the official version of the document. The language of the Church is very specific and precise in it’s official documents. One must learn this language so as to not misinterpret a document. Sometimes English language translations can be misleading.My apology. You’re right I have not read those. I’m a brand new Catholic and have a VERY hard time reading those documents (but I’m trying). I’m having *great difficulty *with the Catholic terminology and acronyms (there sure is a million of them!). The Church needs to institute a special required class on Catholic Terminology and Acronyms 101, as our RICA requirements.
Actually though, my questions was more in response to what older and more knowledgeable Catholics have been presenting within this thread. There certainly seems to be a disagreement on the issue; one that points more to interruption of whether ‘men’ means male or has been relaxed to mean ‘all followers’. To that respect there seems to be no official documentation presented here.
I don’t know if anyone answered malphono’s question in post #13. Catechumens are people who will be baptised, confirmed and receive first Holy Communion at the Easter Vigil. Candidates are candidates for full communion in the Catholic Church–they are baptized Christians from other denominations who will make a profession of faith that they believe all that the Catholic Church believes and teaches as revealed by God (or words to that effect; I haven’t got the exact words memorized). Anyway–just wanted to clear that up; that “candidate” is really a correct term for people who don’t need baptism but wish to join the Catholic Church and be confirmed and make their first Holy Communion.Yes, I know. If you’re saying they’re not the same thing, then the next question is: “candidates” for what? City Council? Congress?
Kage_ar, I have been looking through the Acta Apostolica Sedis and I cannot find it. My eyes are getting bleary. Where is it?That is why we must go to the Latin, not a squishy language like English
Notice the word used in Latin. Had the Vatican meant “all followers/mankind/humans” the Latin word used would have been “homines”.
You can find Paschale Solemnitas in Latin itself on vatican.va, under resources, click “Official Acts” then Acta Apostolicae Sedis.
- Viri selecti deducúntur a ministris ad sedilia loco apto parata. Tunc sacerdos (deposita, si necesse sit, casula) accedit ad singulos, eisque fundit aquam super pedes et abstergit, adiuvantibus ministris.
However, once a catechumen goes through the Rite of Election, he is now counted among the Elect, those who will be baptized at the Easter Vigil. The candidates are those who were baptized in Protestant Ecclesial Communities (provided these baptisms are recognized by the Church) who now seek full communion with the Church.
Yes, thanks, I know the difference between the two, but if you look at the OP the usage of the word “candidate” isn’t particularly clear.
No, I understand it much better than you might think. I am not holding myself up as an expert on this issue, you are. I have suggested that if you truly believe that the Cardinal is in error, you should bring it to his attention. I suspect that you won’t, but I could be wrong. I think that if you do, you might be surprised that he actually is familiar with that document and so it will come down to you versus him regarding the proper way to conduct foot washing during Holy Thursday Mass. I suspect you won’t win that discussion, so you can report him on up the chain of command. As Br. Rich noted in an earlier post, I’m sure that more than one letter has been written and, at least so far, there has been no change. Maybe you will have better luck.
First of all, please do not put words in my mouth. As I have repeatedly said throughout this thread, you have not provided any authoritative documentation other than an FAQ reference and a photograph.
I’m an old lady and don’t have years to learn to and study things like this. I’m not so sure, with my brain disorder, I could learn a new language well enough to read through these documents anyway.
Try this link
Basic school Latin (I had it in grade school and then again in high school) will give you a framework and with the interent you can look up words to know their exact meaning.