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[OneTrueCathApos]

The Rosary isn’t that old, and the Chaplet of Divine Mercy definitely isn’t that old. There are also some Protestants who make the sign of the cross.

The Rosary is so old that it came right out of the early church. The chaplet was told to Sister Faustina by Jesus Christ in the 1930’s. This is what happens when information is wrong.

 

[Aydan]

Yeah i’ll finish it in next Easter

That’s great congratulations and welcome! If you ever have any questions I’d be happy to help just sent me a private message.
Peace

 

[kalt]

It depends on the prayer.

If I am at synagogue, or saying kiddish, or grace after meals, or some other long prayer, I am usually reading the Hebrew from the Siddur (prayer book).

Many of the blessings are memorized. If I’m saying the blessing over the washing of hands, I’m washing my hands. If I’m saying the blessing over bread, I’m holding bread, etc.

I also learned a different style of prayer from the Breslovers called Hisbodedut, Basically, I just talk to G-d the way I would talk to anyone, not in Hebrew, but in English, the language of my heart. I know when men take on this practice, they do it an hour every day. However, with raising kids and all, that would never have worked for me. I learned to simply pray as I worked. Sometimes, baruch Hashem, there is actually peace and quiet and then I have quality time with Him. I might go for a walk, or I might just sit on the couch.

In this post forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=1361466#post1361466 you say that you are Catholic. I’m confused.

 

[imjustme]

As much as possible, I try to follow a guideline learned in a bible study based on Kay Arthur’s Book “Lord Teach Me To Pray. In the bible study, I learned that there were three incidences of Jesus praying before one of his disciples said to Him “Lord, teach us to pray” (Luke 11:1) and at that time Jesus said “Pray this way….” followed by what we call “The Lord’s Prayer”. My understanding is that The Lord’s Prayer is a way to pray, not necessarily a prayer to pray. In Matthew 6:7 Jesus said “When you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition” so he never intended for us to repeat any prayer over and over.

Jesus taught the disciples an index sentence of the topics to be covered in prayer, which is how rabbis (teachers) taught. The topics we are to include in prayer, based on Jesus’ instruction is in capital letters.

WORSHIP: Our Father who is in heaven, Hallowed be Your name.

ALLEGIANCE: Your kingdom come.

SUBMISSION: Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.

PETITION AND PROVISION: Give us this day our daily bread.

CONFESSION AND FORGIVENESS: And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.

WATCHFULLNESS AND DELIVERANCE: And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

WORSHIP: For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever.
Amen (Matthew 6:9-13)

The last sentence is not in the earliest manuscripts, but was added later.

Sometimes I feel at a loss of words or tired or whatever and simply recite the Lord’s Prayer, but try to focus on the words so that I don’t feel like I’m just reciting a prayer in a rote way. I believe the most important part is praying with all my heart, mind, and soul and always turning it over to God, who I trust will provide what is right for me.

 

[Zooey]

I pray the rosary. And I just talk to Mary…that’s what moms are for, :thumbsup:you see.
I spend a largish amount of time sputtering to God about this & that…I think this qualifies as praying, but if you heard me, you’d think I was sputtering, so I just call it that.
I am also frequently known to talk to non-traditional [non-Catholic, or Catholic-but-not-canonized] saints.My friend Phyllis, my parents, and General Stonewall Jackson get a lot of my “business” in this way…

 

[kalt]

The Rosary is so old that it came right out of the early church. The chaplet was told to Sister Faustina by Jesus Christ in the 1930’s. This is what happens when information is wrong.

This didn’t sound right to me–seemed that I had read that it was much later. I checked it out, and what I’ve found is that, though beads were used for counting before the Rosary was established, the Rosary itself dates from much later than the “early Church” period. I think it was the 14th century. The Rosary didn’t come out of nowhere, of course. Using beads to count was used before the Rosary (St Dominic, I think) was promoted.

Posted not to argue, but to post a clearer picture of the Rosary. At least I hope it was clearer. Does anyone else have a more exact picture of the Rosary to share?

I also read (Catholic Encyclopedia) that bead in english once meant prayer. Interesting.

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

This didn’t sound right to me–seemed that I had read that it was much later. I checked it out, and what I’ve found is that, though beads were used for counting before the Rosary was established, the Rosary itself dates from much later than the “early Church” period. I think it was the 14th century. The Rosary didn’t come out of nowhere, of course. Using beads to count was used before the Rosary (St Dominic, I think) was promoted.

Posted not to argue, but to post a clearer picture of the Rosary. At least I hope it was clearer. Does anyone else have a more exact picture of the Rosary to share?

I also read (Catholic Encyclopedia) that bead in english once meant prayer. Interesting.

True, but what I meant was it was being established in the early church because in the 4th century, a hermit named Paul is recorded as having tossed a pebble into a pile for each of his 300 daily Our Fathers. Later monks kept track of prayers on knotted cords, and in the 11th century the cords were replaced by beads of wood or clay.
In the 12th century some people began substituting or adding the Hail Marys.
The Blessed Virgin herself appeared to St. Dominic asking him to pray the Our Fathers, the Hail Marys, and the Glory Be prayers instead of the Psalms.

 

[Zooey]

This didn’t sound right to me–seemed that I had read that it was much later. I checked it out, and what I’ve found is that, though beads were used for counting before the Rosary was established, the Rosary itself dates from much later than the “early Church” period. I think it was the 14th century. The Rosary didn’t come out of nowhere, of course. Using beads to count was used before the Rosary (St Dominic, I think) was promoted.

Posted not to argue, but to post a clearer picture of the Rosary. At least I hope it was clearer. Does anyone else have a more exact picture of the Rosary to share?

I also read (Catholic Encyclopedia) that bead in english once meant prayer. Interesting.

True, but what I meant was it was being established in the early church because in the 4th century, a hermit named Paul is recorded as having tossed a pebble into a pile for each of his 300 daily Our Fathers. Later monks kept track of prayers on knotted cords, and in the 11th century the cords were replaced by beads of wood or clay.
In the 12th century some people began substituting or adding the Hail Marys.
The Blessed Virgin herself appeared to St. Dominic asking him to pray the Our Fathers, the Hail Marys, and the Glory Be prayers instead of the Psalms.

The earliest Christian prayer beads appear to have predated the rosary as we know it today by some time. The earliest formation was in a straight line, & was called a “paternoster” for the paternosters in it!! (Thats “Our Father’s” to the non-Latinists).
As though to prove that where there is someone in prayer, there will always be :banghead: critics, we get the word “patter” (meaning meaningless chatter) from the:crying: very prayer that Jesus Christ Himself taught us to pray!!!:sad_yes:
What comes to my mindas I say this, is my grandmother’s saying that “the devil is walking up & down seeking whom he may destroy, & there are always some people who choose to follow him”.:bighanky:
:byzsoc:Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now & at the hour of our death.

 

[imjustme]

TDoes anyone else have a more exact picture of the Rosary to share?

I also read (Catholic Encyclopedia) that bead in english once meant prayer. Interesting.

Hi Kalt, I also checked the Catholic Encyclopedia and read the following:

"No doubt can exist that the immense diffusion of the Rosary and its confraternities in modern times and the vast influence it has exercised for good are mainly due to the labours and the prayers of the sons of St. Dominic, but the historical evidence serves plainly to show that their interest in the subject was only awakened in the last years of the fifteenth century. "

I’m including a link to the source if you want to read more.

newadvent.org/cathen/13184b.htm

 

[kalt]

Hi Kalt, I also checked the Catholic Encyclopedia and read the following:

"No doubt can exist that the immense diffusion of the Rosary and its confraternities in modern times and the vast influence it has exercised for good are mainly due to the labours and the prayers of the sons of St. Dominic, but the historical evidence serves plainly to show that their interest in the subject was only awakened in the last years of the fifteenth century. "

I’m including a link to the source if you want to read more.

newadvent.org/cathen/13184b.htm

Started in the 14th. More popular in the 15th. At any rate, this prayer (the Rosary) doesn’t date from the early Church period.

OTCA is correct in saying, though, that the prayer form (counting prayers on something, in this case beads) wasn’t something new or unique to the Rosary.

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

Started in the 14th. More popular in the 15th. At any rate, this prayer (the Rosary) doesn’t date from the early Church period.

OTCA is correct in saying, though, that the prayer form (counting prayers on something, in this case beads) wasn’t something new or unique to the Rosary.

What I explained was how the Rosary was slowly getting it’s start, starting from the 4th century with the hermit Paul. It was in the 12th century that the Blessed Virgin appeared to St. Dominic and told him to stop praying the Psalms and to pray the Our Father, Hail Mary and Glory Be. That is how they use to pray by praying the Psalms.

 

[imjustme]

Started in the 14th. More popular in the 15th. At any rate, this prayer (the Rosary) doesn’t date from the early Church period.

I totally agree.

 

[imjustme]

What I explained was how the Rosary was slowly getting it’s start, starting from the 4th century with the hermit Paul. It was in the 12th century that the Blessed Virgin appeared to St. Dominic and told him to stop praying the Psalms and to pray the Our Father, Hail Mary and Glory Be. That is how they use to pray by praying the Psalms.

I hate to go off topic from the original post, but am very curious where you get this information about St. Dominic in relation to the origins of the Rosary?

In the Catholic Encyclopedia it seems to state otherwise (see the following paragraph and the link to the online Catholic Encyclopedia).

Of the eight or nine early Lives of the saint, not one makes the faintest allusion to the Rosary. The witnesses who gave evidence in the cause of his canonization are equally reticent. In the great collection of documents accumulated by Fathers Balme and Lelaidier, O.P., in their “Cartulaire de St. Dominique” the question is studiously ignored. The early constitutions of the different provinces of the order have been examined, and many of them printed, but no one has found any reference to this devotion. We possess hundreds, even thousands, of manuscripts containing devotional treatises, sermons, chronicles, Saints’ lives, etc., written by the Friars Preachers between 1220 and 1450; but no single verifiable passage has yet been produced which speaks of the Rosary as instituted by St. Dominic or which even makes much of the devotion as one specially dear to his children. The charters and other deeds of the Dominican convents for men and women, as M. Jean Guiraud points out with emphasis in his edition of the Cartulaire of La Prouille (I, cccxxviii), are equally silent. Neither do we find any suggestion of a connection between St. Dominic and the Rosary in the paintings and sculptures of these two and a half centuries. Even the tomb of St. Dominic at Bologna and the numberless frescoes by Fra Angelico representing the brethren of his order ignore the Rosary completely.

newadvent.org/cathen/13184b.htm

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

I hate to go off topic from the original post, but am very curious where you get this information about St. Dominic in relation to the origins of the Rosary?

In the Catholic Encyclopedia it seems to state otherwise (see the following paragraph and the link to the online Catholic Encyclopedia).

Of the eight or nine early Lives of the saint, not one makes the faintest allusion to the Rosary. The witnesses who gave evidence in the cause of his canonization are equally reticent. In the great collection of documents accumulated by Fathers Balme and Lelaidier, O.P., in their “Cartulaire de St. Dominique” the question is studiously ignored. The early constitutions of the different provinces of the order have been examined, and many of them printed, but no one has found any reference to this devotion. We possess hundreds, even thousands, of manuscripts containing devotional treatises, sermons, chronicles, Saints’ lives, etc., written by the Friars Preachers between 1220 and 1450; but no single verifiable passage has yet been produced which speaks of the Rosary as instituted by St. Dominic or which even makes much of the devotion as one specially dear to his children. The charters and other deeds of the Dominican convents for men and women, as M. Jean Guiraud points out with emphasis in his edition of the Cartulaire of La Prouille (I, cccxxviii), are equally silent. Neither do we find any suggestion of a connection between St. Dominic and the Rosary in the paintings and sculptures of these two and a half centuries. Even the tomb of St. Dominic at Bologna and the numberless frescoes by Fra Angelico representing the brethren of his order ignore the Rosary completely.

newadvent.org/cathen/13184b.htm

This revelation of the origin of the Rosary was affirmed by Pope Leo XIII and the tradition that Mary first revealed the Rosary to St. Dominic is supported by 13 Popes.
St. Dominic now found great success in this new devotion and brought about the conversion of the Albigensians. The Blessed Virgin made known to St. Dominic, a kind of preaching then unknown, which she said would be one of the most powerful weapons against future errors and in future difficulties.

 

[imjustme]

Thank you for your reply. I was already aware of Pope Leo’s affirmation of the tradition but I would have thought that with all the historical evidence, including that stated in the Catholic Encyclopedia, you would come to believe (as I did) that this “tradition” is contrary to facts and therefore not true.

I understand that tradition is very important, but when it conflicts not only with the Bible but with logic, I defer to logic.

Matthew 22:37 (New International Version)
Jesus replied: " ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

Thank you for your reply. I was already aware of Pope Leo’s affirmation of the tradition but I would have thought that with all the historical evidence, including that stated in the Catholic Encyclopedia, you would come to believe (as I did) that this “tradition” is contrary to facts and therefore not true.

I understand that tradition is very important, but when it conflicts not only with the Bible but with logic, I defer to logic.

Matthew 22:37 (New International Version)
Jesus replied: " ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’

imjustme, Tradition is what Jesus taught. At the end of Revelation, it says “Jesus taught many more things that are not in this book.” You simply cannot just go by what the bible says. Jesus taught orally. The bible IS Tradition written down.

 

[Publisher]

This revelation of the origin of the Rosary was affirmed by Pope Leo XIII and the tradition that Mary first revealed the Rosary to St. Dominic is supported by 13 Popes.
St. Dominic now found great success in this new devotion and brought about the conversion of the Albigensians. The Blessed Virgin made known to St. Dominic, a kind of preaching then unknown, which she said would be one of the most powerful weapons against future errors and in future difficulties.

How did Dominic bring about the conversion of the Cathars? I didn’t think the Albigensian Crusade was one of conversion…but extinction.

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

How did Dominic bring about the conversion of the Cathars? I didn’t think the Albigensian Crusade was one of conversion…but extinction.

Maybe it would be nice if you went on his site.

 

[Publisher]

Maybe it would be nice if you went on his site.

Who’s site?

 

[wmscott]

Each morning I “Center Down” and enter into a time of prayer and meditation. This is after I’ve read from the scriptures. I pray that my life will reflect Christ in my life and “mind the Light” throughout the day. I will ask for guidance on a particular problem I may be trying to work out…and I will offer thanks for allowing “one more day” in this world.

I’m pretty consistant during the week of this practice…I might grab a cup of coffee and go for a walk on Saturdays…and then on First Day I’m in Meeting.

What is Minding the Light? Christ?