For All the Protestants That Care to Answer . . .

[AlegreFe]

Jhn 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

That’s right, the True Living Flesh of Jesus Christ is what we eat at Mass every day.

believers:

Jhn 6:54
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Jhn 6:55
For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

Right again. We are consuming His Flesh and His Blood and because of that I hope to have eternal life.

believers:

REMEMBER JESUS DEFINED MEAT HERE
Jhn 4:34
Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

You are so wrong. Jesus did not define “meat” there the way that you think for the same “meat” or better put “flesh” as in John 6. You’d have to go back to John 6:66 to understand or at least try to understand. Since the disciples walked away from Jesus because of what He said about eating His flesh, Jesus did NOT stop them to change what He said because He meant what He said about really eating His flesh as true food. Jesus did NOT stop them to say, “wait, I didn’t mean you had to really eat my flesh, I only meant it as a symbol!” No way did He stop them, He let them walk.

Jesus had no need to make Himself clear in John 6:66 because He knew what the disciples were thinking and they were right so He didn’t have to clarify anything. In John 4:34 Jesus had to clarify Himself to the disciples because they thought that Jesus had actual food that was sustaining Him physically. And that is why Jesus had to make Himself clear that His food is to do the will of His Father.

Here let me put the verses from 31 on;
31 Meanwhile the disciples besought
him, saying, “Rabbi, eat.”
32 But he said to them, “I have food to
eat of which you do not know.”
33 So the disciples said to one another,
“Has any one brought him food?”
34 Jesus said to them, "My food is to do
the will of him who sent me, and to
accomplish his work.
Jn 4:31-34

believers:

Jhn 6:28
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Jhn 6:29
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Yes, believe the words that Jesus was about to tell them. All these verses are about the same thing, believing in ALL the words that Jesus has said including believing that you are to actually eat the flesh of the Son of Man.

believers:

Jhn 6:58
This is that bread which came down from heaven: NOT AS YOUR FATHERS DID EAT MANNA, AND ARE DEAD: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

That’s right. If you actually eat the flesh of the Son of Man you could live forever. We are not eating manna at Mass. We are eating the real flesh of Jesus Christ!

 

[AlegreFe]

1Jo 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

You know very well what I meant when I said the Catholic Church is for the whole world. The Catholic Church is for all those who believe in Jesus Christ. Jesus wanted the disciples to go out into the whole world to preach the gospel.

 

[believers]

That’s right, the True Living Flesh of Jesus Christ is what we eat at Mass every day.

Right again. We are consuming His Flesh and His Blood and because of that I hope to have eternal life.

You are so wrong. Jesus did not define “meat” there the way that you think for the same “meat” or better put “flesh” as in John 6. You’d have to go back to John 6:66 to understand or at least try to understand. Since the disciples walked away from Jesus because of what He said about eating His flesh, Jesus did NOT stop them to change what He said because He meant what He said about really eating His flesh as true food. Jesus did NOT stop them to say, “wait, I didn’t mean you had to really eat my flesh, I only meant it as a symbol!” No way did He stop them, He let them walk.

Jesus had no need to make Himself clear in John 6:66 because He knew what the disciples were thinking and they were right so He didn’t have to clarify anything. In John 4:34 Jesus had to clarify Himself to the disciples because they thought that Jesus had actual food that was sustaining Him physically. And that is why Jesus had to make Himself clear that His food is to do the will of His Father.

Here let me put the verses from 31 on;
31 Meanwhile the disciples besought
him, saying, “Rabbi, eat.”
32 But he said to them, “I have food to
eat of which you do not know.”
33 So the disciples said to one another,
“Has any one brought him food?”
34 Jesus said to them, "My food is to do
the will of him who sent me, and to
accomplish his work.
Jn 4:31-34

Yes, believe the words that Jesus was about to tell them. All these verses are about the same thing, believing in ALL the words that Jesus has said including believing that you are to actually eat the flesh of the Son of Man.

That’s right. If you actually eat the flesh of the Son of Man you could live forever. We are not eating manna at Mass. We are eating the real flesh of Jesus Christ!

Those verses came straight out of the King James. I didn’t have to put my own interpretation like you did. By the way, food is the same thing as meat which still does not prove your religion’s Eucharist.

Living Bread = Flesh of Jesus (John 6:51)
Flesh of Jesus = Meat (Food) (John 6:55)
Meat(Food) = “to do the will of God, and to finish His work.” (John 4:34)
Work of God = “believe on Him whom He hath sent.” (John 6:28-29)
Living Bread = NOT AS YOUR FATHERS DID EAT MANNA, AND ARE DEAD (John 6:58)

You forgot to explain…

Hbr 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things NOT SEEN.

 

[AlegreFe]

Hbr 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things NOT SEEN.
That verse alone rules out the eucharist.

(emphasis added)

That is right! You go by Faith ALONE. And we Catholics go by Faith, Hope & Love!

As far as things not seen, we cannot actually SEE Jesus Christ but we have Faith that Jesus is right there in the Eucharist and it’s not just some piece of bread symbolizing Jesus. We believe and have faith even though we don’t see Him. We believe because Jesus said it was Him. It is actually the Body, Blood, Soul & Divinity of Jesus Christ. We just can’t really see Jesus Christ. We only see the “accidents” remaining. With that, we actually have HOPE that we can have eternal life because that is what Jesus promised us when He said, "he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."

believers:

These verses end the debate.

I beg to differ. See my reply to your same exact previous post above.

 

[AlegreFe]

Those verses came straight out of the King James. I didn’t have to put my own interpretation like you did.

That’s not my own private or personal interpretation. I just don’t fly on everything I read in the bible hoping I’d land safely and not fall. We cannot have our own private interpretations. If you do, you get thousands of different denominations. I also use many verses from the Good Book! Instead of only trusting myself for what I read in Scripture, I trust the Church.

believers:

By the way, food is the same thing as meat which still does not prove your religion’s Eucharist.

I know that. I wasn’t aruguing your “meat” point the way that you think. You just don’t read my posts do you? But that’s okay. I know there are people who do read and hopefully their discernment is not clouded by your private and personal interpretations.

believers:

You forgot to explain…
Hbr 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things NOT SEEN.

If you would’ve checked your tag on my post then you would’ve known that this reply was not for your second almost identical post. It was for post #149 which did not have Hebrews 11 in it.
But that’s okay too, because I explained it in my post #164.

 

[Blue_Serenity]

That’s not my own private or personal interpretation. I just don’t fly on everything I read in the bible hoping I’d land safely and not fall. We cannot have our own private interpretations. If you do, you get thousands of different denominations. I also use many verses from the Good Book! Instead of only trusting myself for what I read in Scripture, I trust the Church.

How do you trust the Church?

 

[AlegreFe]

How do you trust the Church?

With the FAITH that God gave me!

 

[Ladybug42]

With the FAITH that God gave me!

That is how Latter-day Saints trust that their church is the True Church, as well. Against all criticism against their founder and their beginnings, they look to the faith that God gave them to continute to believe.

It’s remarkable how similar the two churches are when it comes to issues of authority, and adherents of both believing that they have the One True Church.

We are told in the Bible that the Church is Christ, of which all Christians are members. Christ is the One True Church. Buildings where we meet, and denoms, are part of the superficial trappings of that Church.

Any denom that tries to say that the One True Church is anything other than Christ, is wrong. And I don’t think a response of that Christ is only present in the Catholic Eucharistic will cut it this time. Christ is in us and us in Him, just as the Scriptures say, or else we would not be Christian.

 

[O.S.Luke]

Well said, LadyBug. The words of the Apostle Paul may be instructive here:

Now there is no mediator when only one party is involved, and God is one. Is the law then opposed to the promises (of God)? Of course not! For if a law had been given that could bring life, then righteousness would in reality come from the law. But scripture confined all things under the power of sin, that through faith in Jesus Christ the promise might be given to those who believe.

Before faith came, we were held in custody under law, confined for the faith that was to be revealed. Consequently, the law was our disciplinarian for Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a disciplinarian. For through faith you are all children of God in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free person, there is not male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendant, heirs according to the promise… - Galatians 3.20-29, NAB

Being baptized into Christ means putting on Christ, and the distinctions are removed. It seems very clear that we are one in Christ Jesus. Some would say that we are, but in an “incomplete” way. Paul says differently.

O+

 

[dessert]

And who but Peter did express his faith and belief when he said …" You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God."Jesus said to him in reply, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not rvealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. And so I say to you, you are Peter and on this rock I shall build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. What ever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
Mat; 13; 16-19 NAB CE
Jesus trusts Peter
Jesus calls Peter blessed
Jesus gives Peter authority
Jesus says the demons will not prevail

Good enough for me! dessert

 

[believers]

That is right! You go by Faith ALONE. And we Catholics go by Faith, Hope & Love!

As far as things not seen, we cannot actually SEE Jesus Christ but we have Faith that Jesus is right there in the Eucharist and it’s not just some piece of bread symbolizing Jesus. We believe and have faith even though we don’t see Him. We believe because Jesus said it was Him. It is actually the Body, Blood, Soul & Divinity of Jesus Christ. We just can’t really see Jesus Christ. We only see the “accidents” remaining. With that, we actually have HOPE that we can have eternal life because that is what Jesus promised us when He said, "he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."

I beg to differ. See my reply to your same exact previous post above.

No, Jesus did not say it was him. Never did Jesus say that I’m going to give man the power to turn bread into by flesh. Never did Jesus give man the recipe for His flesh. So what you’re saying is that if ANY man eat the Eucharist, that man will live forever, rt? Why not just feed the world then? Don’t you want to save everyone? Why keep it to yourselves? If it’s really the actual flesh of Jesus, then it will never spoil, rot, decay, get dirty, discolor, burn. I really hope you don’t believe all that.

Jhn 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

 

[Genesis315]

I just feel as though “things” occured as they did through out history for a reason

The reason is people commited the sin of schism and then heresy.

 

[Genesis315]

So what you’re saying is that if ANY man eat the Eucharist, that man will live forever, rt? Why not just feed the world then? Don’t you want to save everyone? Why keep it to yourselves?

Because St. Paul taught that partaking unworthily leads to damnation.

 

[Genesis315]

If it’s really the actual flesh of Jesus, then it will never spoil, rot, decay, get dirty, discolor, burn. I really hope you don’t believe all that.

The substance of Jesus is only there as long as the accidents of bread and wine persist.

 

[awantz]

Because St. Paul taught that partaking unworthily leads to damnation.

But, who are you or the Catholic church to say who is and isn’t partaking worthily or unworthily?

 

[dessert]

But, who are you or the Catholic church to say who is and isn’t partaking worthily or unworthily?

Luke 22; 7-13
The peparations for mass are very neccessary.dessert

 

[believers]

Because St. Paul taught that partaking unworthily leads to damnation.

False, that meant to judge yourself and don’t be like Judas.

 

[believers]

The substance of Jesus is only there as long as the accidents of bread and wine persist.

Where in the bible does it say that?

 

[believers]

Luke 22; 7-13
The peparations for mass are very neccessary.dessert

False

Luk 22:8
And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat.

 

[awantz]

Luke 22; 7-13
The peparations for mass are very neccessary.dessert

I do the preperations just as much as my husband who is Catholic.