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Daniel_Marsh said:
watchtowr light is not getting brighter and brighter, it is more like a strobe light, mostly off.
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Jesus called Himself the light, and said that whoever follows Him will never walk in darkness. If the light for JWs is increasing, that means they are in a constant state of darkness - and obviously cannot be following Christ.

The passage about increasing light, as far as I can tell, is a prophecy of Christ’s coming to earth.

John. 1:9
That was the true light, which enlighteneth every man that cometh into this world.
 
Marilena said:
I’d like to ask you what is your response to the tract? How do you as a Catholic feel about it? What do you feel about the jw responses to our posts in the thread?
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In my view the tract was simply a short campaign to get some publicity, it didnt really say much at all just a few quick quotes of how bad the world is but yet no mention of how near is “near”.
As for the JW response on these forums, I was impressed, I was under the impression they were literally forbidden from even looking at places like this. The fact some were brave enough to come on here and talk shows me there is opportunity to really get to the bottom of issues I consider Biblical like the immortality of the soul (eg 1 Pt 4:6).
Do you feel we have been treated fairly as Catholic’s? Why am I asking this? There is a picture in the tract that looks like a Catholic priest. So how do you as a Catholic feel about the picture, or what is your thoughts about the tract?
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That was my initial concern is that it was primarily aimed at uniformed Catholics, while the tract was aimed at all its pretty clear the “catholic priest” picture wasnt an accident, not to mention easily identifyable as a religious pastor vs a normally dressed person whom would be unidentifyable.
Do you feel like the picture in it was indirectly aimed at Catholic’s? How have you dealt with the tract when you have had a return visit from a jw? have you had any witnesses stop by your door since they dropped off the tract? How have you talked to them about it?
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I havnt had any stop by a second time, I firmly believe it was a short campaign with the hope of getting some interested people to call for a “free home bible study”.
I however cannot download it. i have no pod, and my pc wont let me download it. Guess i need to know from Jeff if the podcast can be listened to on the pc?
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You dont need any equipment to hear it, all you need is a pc. There are free relyable popular programs out there that play those podcasts, the one I use is: Quicktime
Quicktime is made by apple, who also produce the Ipod.
 
Damascus:

Here is a link that contains information that is current as of November 2006 on the way that the Watchtower leadership presents the blood information to the individual Witnesses.

jehovahs-witness.com/16/123261/1.ashx

The thought of the elderly, or sick, or people in a state of anxiety, having to wade through this information makes me shudder. Can you imagine what it must be like for the poor Witnesses in some of the third world countries to have to approach this information?
 
Thanks AHF. Its funny that this is not on their no blood card. The ones they carry in their wallets. I know someone who has NO BLOOD on their medical ID bracelet.
The problem is the subsitutes are not on the bracelet and it would be a big bracelet if they were. I do worry about how many people may be dying senselessly here. So many lives that are in peril.
AHF said:
Damascus:

Here is a link that contains information that is current as of November 2006 on the way that the Watchtower leadership presents the blood information to the individual Witnesses.

jehovahs-witness.com/16/123261/1.ashx

The thought of the elderly, or sick, or people in a state of anxiety, having to wade through this information makes me shudder. Can you imagine what it must be like for the poor Witnesses in some of the third world countries to have to approach this information?
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Thanks AHF. Its funny that this is not on their no blood card. The ones they carry in their wallets. I know someone who has NO BLOOD on their medical ID bracelet.
The problem is the subsitutes are not on the bracelet and it would be a big bracelet if they were. I do worry about how many people may be dying senselessly here. So many lives that are in peril.
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I guess I’ve got one question, Damascus:

Is it “bad” for someone to donate blood, so that a Witness can use the blood fractions, and live?
(Hey - no more on blood on this thread, eh? Don’t want to derail it…)
 
I received the leaflet last Saturday and read through it.

I was offended by it.

Obviously the picture of the priest is slandering the Catholic Church.

I took offense at the phrase “a widely respected religious figure Jesus Christ”

Jesus is God, not just a respected figure

I also took offence at the paragraph on immoral sex that said even those religions that condemn immoral sex (Catholics) still have tolerated its leaders who engage in it.

Tolerate is definitely the wrong word here.
Our Church is doing all it can to clean itself of those few priests who fell to this sin,
We tolerate them yes because we love them still, we just hate the sin.
We pray for them. If that means tolerate to the JWs so be it.

The leaflet also asks the question “How many religions do you know do its members engage in war?”
This is so false. This assumes it is the religion that calls the war.
All members of any religion sin. That is who we are. Sinners. God knows that. And some members of religions go against some of their religions teachings.
It does not mean the religion is at fault.

I just found the leaflet to be a desperate attempt to gain members through scare tactics, and false accusations of mankind.
 
AHF said:
I guess I’ve got one question, Damascus:

Is it “bad” for someone to donate blood, so that a Witness can use the blood fractions, and live?
(Hey - no more on blood on this thread, eh? Don’t want to derail it…)
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No AHF it is not bad to donate blood that could save the life of a jw or anyone else for that matter.
 
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I guess I’ve got one question, Damascus:
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Is it “bad” for someone to donate blood, so that a Witness can use the blood fractions, and live?
(Hey - no more on blood on this thread, eh? Don’t want to derail it…)
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No AHF it is not bad to donate blood that could save the life of a jw or anyone else for that matter.
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Sorry, Marilena - I was asking the question rhetorically…🙂

I guess I could have said something like - “Since the Witnesses now accept blood fractions, do they still consider it “bad” for someone to donate blood, for example to the Red Cross, since it is possible that blood will be used to derive fractions that Witnesses may use?”

It was meant to make the point - If the Witnesses still consider it wrong to donate blood, then that seems inconsistent, to me.

(There - I’ve gone and broke my own suggestion not to talk about blood anymore on this thread…:whistle:)
 
AHF said:
Sorry, Marilena - I was asking the question rhetorically…🙂

I guess I could have said something like - “Since the Witnesses now accept blood fractions, do they still consider it “bad” for someone to donate blood, for example to the Red Cross, since it is possible that blood will be used to derive fractions that Witnesses may use?”

It was meant to make the point - If the Witnesses still consider it wrong to donate blood, then that seems inconsistent, to me.

(There - I’ve gone and broke my own suggestion not to talk about blood anymore on this thread…:whistle:)
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yes they do consider it wrong to donate blood still.
 
Chris_LaRock said:
Organ transplants were once considered canibalism. They have changed this though.
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It seems I recall that change happend to coincide with a Governing Body members’ daughter and her illness. Yet, my memory is scetchy on that.
I seem to vaugely recall that it was the spark that caused that sudden flip flop in policy and they really offered no biblical reason for the about face.

It was one of those “light is getting brighter” things. Now, in this case I agree the light got brighter. But its how it happened that I sorta question:rolleyes:
 
Damascus said:
It seems I recall that change happend to coincide with a Governing Body members’ daughter and her illness. Yet, my memory is scetchy on that.
I seem to vaugely recall that it was the spark that caused that sudden flip flop in policy and they really offered no biblical reason for the about face.

It was one of those “light is getting brighter” things. Now, in this case I agree the light got brighter. But its how it happened that I sorta question:rolleyes:
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Thats very interesting, I guess its always different when its the boss has one of their children in need.
 
Does anyone think that they have crossed any lines legally with this tract?
My spouse is an attorney, yet 1) does not care about this issue
2) does not practice this type of law

I think there are a lot of lawyers on this forum. I know 2 but one is not Catholic. The other does not post here anymore.

I was curious if a lawyer could review this document. I am sure their legal team did but, maybe they missed something.

Not that the Church would persue anything with them other than pray for their misguided souls.

I think it alienates families. I think they have to keep up this constant drilling that Catholics are evil so families will be broken beyond repair. I also think it breeds bigotry and hatred.

I could be wrong.
 
the jw’s are really really careful when they put out a publication. guarentee that their legal department has gone over it before it even became a tract. they discuss things from every angle possible. also they would use the freedom of speech clause as well.

so there is nothing that can be done about it from a legal standpoint.
unless someone really wanted to challenge the society in court. thye’d love that why? because they’d see it as persecution, and use that to tell their members that they are right and have been the right religion all along.
 
As a wife a of JW and as a Catholic, I was very insulted when I saw that tract. I went to his Kingdom Hall with him the day they received this tract and when they were told what to do w/it. I was very angry because the only thing they do in their reunions, as they call them, is bash our religion. This one guy gave a comment about how dumb he was when he was a Catholic kneeling to a croos w/Jesus dying in it. :mad: :mad: AHHHH!!! I wanted to get up and say something but I was a guest there and just bit my tongue and told my husband they do not know anything about the Catholic religion to be talking about it this way. :mad:

You know, all their literature aims at our religion attacking it. When I saw the picture of the priest on that tract, and the paragraph next to it, I just went off on him telling him that not only do you see this in the Catholic religion but in his as well, and in others too.

These people are just bitter that they cannot understand the TRUTH so they so to the simpler one. They deny the Trinity, the fact that Mary was always a virgin, and our use of saints as statues. They believe we pray to the saints and worship them. I think these people are misguided and because they didn’t understand the TRUTH they had to go somewhere where they could find a logical reason since the Trinity was hard to understand. How hard is it? The bible says in John 1:1 "and the Word was God (Jesus is the Word), and on John 20:28 “my Lord and my God” (Thomas speaking to Jesus).

I wish there was something I could do, no matter how many times I explain it to my husband, and he seems to understand my points, he just doesn’t want to accept it. Last night we had an argument about me not ever wanting to convert to a JW because I don’t buy anything they preach. THey do seem convincing at times, but they try to confuse u using the tactics they learn during their preaching reunion every wk.

My husband started arguing the fact that I have been taught the truth and I’m denying it (uhh… I’m still Catholic so how am I denying the TRUTH??) I told him the same and then he brought up the Trinity… so since he didn’t understand it, I explained it to him the way utunumsint explains it in a thread named about the Trinity: forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=1652176&postcount=4

He seemed to grasp the idea, but then he brought up how we Catholics “worship and pray to” the statues of saints. I said only ignorant Catholics think they are praying to them and worship them. I told him that we don’t pray to them, we ask them to pray for us to God, but he went on and on until he went his way and I went my way…

How can we fight back? They are told to talk calmy to us and after we give them our opinion, that they should use their bible to “teach” us about the truth.

But again, their aim really is Catholics. They think we are just some alienated religion, statue worshipers. They preach to other religions as well, but they always attack the CC in their books and magazines. I have them all at home because of my husband. I have their school books, they study books, their Jehovah’s Organization book, their reasoning book. They all contain something that aims their attacks directly to us, ie, the Trinity, priest celibacy, Mary the Virgin, Halloween, Christmas, Easter, the Easter bunny… see my ponit???

Oh, and get this, a full time female preacher tried to start a study session w/me telling me that all theil literature, before is goes to print, is sent to the Vatican so the Pope will review it and see if their information is correct, and if the Pope says no, that they don’t publish it. They try to get to you w/lies. They’ll do anything to catch your attention!!!

Be careful and inform yourself. If you invite them into your home make sure your Catholic grounds are strong, beacuse they will confuse you if you are not a strong Catholic!!

God bless all!!
 
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