For Catholics: Would you consider yourself anti-protestant?

[dessert]

I was unaware that homosexuality is a belief…

My brother is homosexual. I love my brother to death and while I don’t agree with his decision I am in NO WAY in a position to judge him, his heart, nor his motives. That is up to God. But homosexuality isn’t a belief system. And those who chose to, even tho they have the urge, can turn away from it knowing it is wrong and deny it. I cannot do the same with my beliefs. So please, don’t try to put my beliefs in the same category as someone who struggles with the sin of homosexuality. They are not on the same level because they are two VERY different things… unless you are saying that my beliefs are a sin… Then that is another topic that you can feel free to start in another thread…

OK it is started ; " Are my beliefs a sin?
sorry I don’t know how to put here on the thread maybe some one can tell me how to do this.
dessert

 

[Singinbeauty]

So are you saying you are anti-Catholic?
Hate is a pretty strong word why not substitute anger.
You can love us but not like our religion but we can’t do the same to you?
I pray for your brother it must be hard to see him following that way of life with the threat of disease so prevelant.
Following a way of life is actually a religion to some. Dessert

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“Be Jesus, Share Jesus” … Blessed Mother Teresa**

There is a difference between being anti-catholic and not agreeing with it. As I am sure you would agree… I am not ANTI-catholocism because I believe that those who make up that church truly work to follow God. Hence I am not anti-catholic BUT those who are against catholocism are against the people… Same with protestants and protestantism. If the terrorists are against the US they are agains US because we make up the US… They attack the US they attck us…

 

[Memaw]

Oh, pardon me.

Unfortunately there is text in the Council of Trent that sure sounded that way on the surface. We have also had a barbaric past that could easily be viewed as totally intolerant and bigoted toward the plight of doubters and dissenters. I.E.: the inquisition for example. I fully understand the Church doesn’t condone the evil done by men though men wiithin her have committed great crimes in her name.

That is what I was referring to. I should have choosen my words better.

I agree it wasn’t an official teaching though.

An official teaching would be reflected more accurately by the following statement:

Dr. Art Sippo writes “[No salvation outside the Church] was reiterated at Vatican II in Lumen Gentium Paragraph 14. Now formal membership is the ordinary means of salvation, but the Church has always accepted that there can be extenuating circumstances and that one may be related to the Catholic Church less formally [this will include many Christians of other denominations]. Technically, all validly baptized persons are members of the Catholic Church.”

Also some honest seekers, who through no fault of their own, did not learn about the the Catholic Church will be saved.

Sad to say there are far to many that don’'t want to know what the Catholic Church truly teaches, including many Catholics that are not the least bit interested in knowing their faith sincerly and truthfully. Many are caught in a lifestyle they know the Church does not condone, Birth Control, married outside the Church, divorce and remarrage, live-in situations etc. I once read a little pamphlet that was titled, “How to Go to Hell With Dignity.”
The Catholic Church is made up of Saints and Sinners amd many somewhere in between. Sadly, to many folks believe the sinners more than they do the Saints. Christ said His Church would be persucated and it has been, (from within and from without) but He also said His Church would never teach error, and He will be with it till the END of the World. There is only ONE Church that can honestly trace its origin back to Christ and that is the Holy Catholic Church led by Peter, the Pope. All others have been started by man, (read your encyclopedias). and they say there are over 35,000 different protestant denominations that claim to teach just what the bible teaches and yet they do not agree on so many things. Jesus said “I AM the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE.” Pray, trust and let God lead you to the TRUTH. I am not being anti-anyone but I am being Pro TRUTH.

 

[deb1]

Bruised Reed, while I was Protestant (for 40 years), we learned a technique called “friendship evangelism.” The idea was to study John 4, and see how Jesus quickly won the Samaritan woman as a friend, then witnessed to her. So we should quickly win people as friends and then–POW!–witness to them about the Lord!

Catholics were prime targets, since they weren’t really Christians.

Perhaps you have you encountered this?

What’s sad is that I thought it was a good thing.

My neighbor told me that this is how her church evangelizes. Because of this, I will not send my children to their Awanies meetings. It isn’t that I think that my friend is trying to evangelize me but I am concerned that some of the Awana teachers could try to evangelize my children.

 

[deb1]

Without a doubt, I am not anti Protestant. I have many Protestant friends who I believe are strong Christians.

At the same time I am saddened by the fact that I have known Protestants who seem to doubt my Christianity immediately upon hearing that I am Catholic. If a person tells me that they are a Christian then I do not second guess them.

I will admit that it makes me feel bad that Protestants don’t have the physical presence of Christ available to them. I, also, think that some of their theology is highly mistaken and when taken to extremes can be detrimental to their maturity as Christians.

 

[deb1]

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People, YOU ARE YOUR BELIEFS. So if you hate a belief you essentially hate the person who believes it. I can tell you right now that what I believe is my very core. It’s WHO I AM. .

You are over simplifying both human nature and your own belief system…

Because most Catholics view Protestants as Christian there is more that we share in common then the issues that we differ on. Because of this, it is possible to hate a few Protestant beliefs without hating Protestants in general.

My sister in law believes in an extreme form of OSAS that if I tried to explain it to you, your head would burst from frustration at the illogicalness of this belief:hypno:. Yes, I do passionately hate this form of OSAS. Infact hate is not a strong enough word for what I feel when she begins to discuss this. Not only that but she somehow manages to get some new age twisting into her Christianity that just aggravates me.:banghead:

By your reasoning, I hate my sil. Heck, I’m amazed that she isn’t afraid to sit in a room with me.

But I not only love my SIL, I admire much about her. She left an abusive man when she didn’t have the means to support herself. Although past forty, she has gone back to school and is getting her degree so she can better herself. She took care of her mom who was bedridden for many years, despite the fact that her mom had abused her when she was young. She went into debt to bury, her scum of a husband out of respect for her underage son.

There is much that I not only admire in her but I am in awe that she has accomplished.

You certainly can hate a person’s beliefs without hating that person.

 

[Memaw]

But it does not mean that homosexuality is a belief system… it’s a sin not a belief… there is a distinction… you don’t find the church of homosexuality do you?

You don’t find one now but don’t be surprised if one pops up in the future. Maybe even one of adultry or thieves or abortionist etc.

 

[ALLFORHIM]

You don’t find one now but don’t be surprised if one pops up in the future. Maybe even one of adultry or thieves or abortionist etc.

Probably started by Rosie now that she has time.

 

[KatieD]

I don’t consider myself anti-Protestant - in fact, I am married to a Protestant. I don’t understand how they don’t believe in the Real Presence, but I keep praying that perhaps someday they will believe.

That said, I never really encountered anti-Catholicism until I married my husband. His family was raised RLDS, and some of are still members of that group. They are virulently anti-Catholic. Unfortunately, they don’t understand the teachings of the Church at all, and they will not even try to understand when an explanation is given to them. They consider us non-Christian.

 

[Jaypeeto4]

I am not antiProtestant. I love devout Christians who belong to the protestant church communities.

I am, however, opposed to Protestant-ISM as a collection of doctrinal systems, because protestant-ISM is Error.

Love,
Jaypeeto4

 

[Memaw]

My neighbor told me that this is how her church evangelizes. Because of this, I will not send my children to their Awanies meetings. It isn’t that I think that my friend is trying to evangelize me but I am concerned that some of the Awana teachers could try to evangelize my children.

What are their Awanies meetings, I never heard of them before??

 

[PauloFreire2]

“For Catholics: Would you consider yourself anti-protestant?”

I’m anti-Fundamentalist, to be sure. I think that brand of Christianity is dangerous to the greater Christian community, due to its outrageous teachings. I also think Mormonism is very dangerous to the health of Christianity, overall. Higher Protestant churches don’t bother me much, although I distrust all of them. Most of them harbor a deep hostility toward Catholicism.

 

[psalm90]

protestants (the word doesn’t deserve a capital P) are heretics.

Many of them that I have met and discussed religion with have very deep opinions about the Catholic Church. They do not apply the same rigor to critiquing their own church that they do to the Catholic Church.

They reject the idea of a Pope, but they set themselves up with a Pope of their own, or they go so far to make each of themselves a Pope, to define what dogma is that they may happen to embrace.

And, in many cases, they are deeply and out-spokenly anti-Catholic. They don’t WANT to get along with us. They make a point of rejecting EVERYTHING the Catholic Church teaches or practices, and they do so to occasionally ludicrous extremes, to make a point, like the evangelical church south of Chicago, which told people NOT to go to church on Christmas.

Of course, they don’t like the word “Christmas” because it has “mass” as a partial root. I agree with them that the excesses of Halloween should be avoided, but they are misguided to interpret the whole thing as Satanic.

 

[rr1213]

protestants (the word doesn’t deserve a capital P) are heretics.

Many of them that I have met and discussed religion with have very deep opinions about the Catholic Church. They do not apply the same rigor to critiquing their own church that they do to the Catholic Church.

They reject the idea of a Pope, but they set themselves up with a Pope of their own, or they go so far to make each of themselves a Pope, to define what dogma is that they may happen to embrace.

And, in many cases, they are deeply and out-spokenly anti-Catholic. They don’t WANT to get along with us. They make a point of rejecting EVERYTHING the Catholic Church teaches or practices, and they do so to occasionally ludicrous extremes, to make a point, like the evangelical church south of Chicago, which told people NOT to go to church on Christmas.

Of course, they don’t like the word “Christmas” because it has “mass” as a partial root. I agree with them that the excesses of Halloween should be avoided, but they are misguided to interpret the whole thing as Satanic.

In 45 years as a Protestant, attending Methodist, Episcopal, Presybterian, Baptist and Lutheran Churches, I have never once met a Protestant who did not like the word “Christmas” because it has “mass” as a partial root.

 

[JoeyWarren]

In 45 years as a Protestant, attending Methodist, Episcopal, Presybterian, Baptist and Lutheran Churches, I have never once met a Protestant who did not like the word “Christmas” because it has “mass” as a partial root.

I think he was more showing the hypocracy of non-catholic that denounce the Catholic Church. They don’t like the term Mass but at the same time they around every December saying “Merry Christmas” and most don’t even know why they say “Christmas” at all. They may have some wives tale to fall back on if questioned, but that is about it. They don’t don’t understand that the term “Christmas” is purely Catholic.

Also it does not stop them from celebrating other aspects of traditional Catholicism such as Santa Claus, Valentines Day, St. Patricks Day. Where would be the Protestant Merchant be without this ability to capitilize on Catholicity?

 

[rr1213]

I think he was more showing the hypocracy of non-catholic that denounce the Catholic Church. They don’t like the term Mass but at the same time they around every December saying “Merry Christmas” and most don’t even know why they say “Christmas” at all.

I’d like to think that but, no, actually he posted that Protestants "don’t like the word “Christmas” because it has “mass” as a partial root."

 

[lak611]

Also it does not stop them from celebrating other aspects of traditional Catholicism such as Santa Claus, Valentines Day, St. Patricks Day. Where would be the Protestant Merchant be without this ability to capitilize on Catholicity?

The holidays have become so secularized that everybody in the business world takes advantage of the money to be made. It has nothing to do with Catholics or Protestants. Even atheists love these holidays because they bring in lots of money.

 

[Singinbeauty]

protestants (the word doesn’t deserve a capital P) are heretics.

Many of them that I have met and discussed religion with have very deep opinions about the Catholic Church. They do not apply the same rigor to critiquing their own church that they do to the Catholic Church.

I hope that you understand that this is not the way ALL protestants think…

They reject the idea of a Pope, but they set themselves up with a Pope of their own, or they go so far to make each of themselves a Pope, to define what dogma is that they may happen to embrace.

You know, I don’t think I have ever met a protestant who claimed to be their own pope or to set someone else up as one… I think that most protestants would agree with me when I say that there is NO MAN on earth who speaks infallably… EVER on behalf of God.

And, in many cases, they are deeply and out-spokenly anti-Catholic. They don’t WANT to get along with us. They make a point of rejecting EVERYTHING the Catholic Church teaches or practices, and they do so to occasionally ludicrous extremes, to make a point, like the evangelical church south of Chicago, which told people NOT to go to church on Christmas.

I agree that there are some protestants out there who are a bit extreme… But just remember that not ALL of us are like that.

Of course, they don’t like the word “Christmas” because it has “mass” as a partial root.

Oh, but of course… Like RR I have never met anyone who who doesn’t like the word Christmas because ‘mass’ is part of the term. So I am thinking that those who have told you this are in the minority here…

I agree with them that the excesses of Halloween should be avoided, but they are misguided to interpret the whole thing as Satanic.

The secular world’s halloween is running dangerously close to satanic. But we don’t avoid Halloween all together… I love the harvest parties that I grew up going to on Halloween!

 

[La-Petite-Fleur]

Please see my post above. You cannot be anti-catholic without being anti-the people who believe because they ARE what make up the church… Same with anti-protestantism…

I respectfully disagree. I believe you can detest the position but greatly and fervently love the person behind it. I can differentiate the two, and I know it’s possible. For instance, I hate heresy, but I still love those people who are unfortunately part of it. I hate the pro-choice stand, but I still love (and don’t hate) people who are pro-choice. It is very possible to differentiate between the position and the person; and I would even say it is a great moral necessity to do so.

By presenting your theory as truth (that basically one ‘must hate the other person because they hate their position’ ), your argument seems to justify itself by creating it’s own facts. (Not saying it was on purpose ). But anyway, I know it isn’t true that if someone detests a position that one automatically hates the person behind it. Look at what happened to our beloved Pope John Paul II: supposedly communism was behind the motive for his attempted murder. Pope John Paul II publicly detested communism. But look at how he harboured no hatred toward the man who tried to kill him. Saint Patrick hated paganism, but didn’t hate the pagans (he loved them enough to bring them to Christ). Many Catholics hate liberalism, but surely if they had a next door neighbor that was liberal, they would love them. Another example would be that any good Catholic would hate Satanism, but that they would love the person who is a Satanist. (These are completely separate examples, not at all related to our dear protestant brothers and sisters in Christ!) It is wrong and unfair to paint people as haters of others if they hate/detest another person’s position. It’s a sort of manipulation tactic used now days in many a debate, imho, and I find it deceptive. Yes, it is possible to hate the position (or protestantism in this case), but to love the actual soul of a person. It really isn’t fair to say one “cannot”… I understand that saying one “can’t” upholds your argument, but it just isn’t true and puts a limit to love.

 

[Mannyfit75]

I consider myself extremely Anti-Protestantism… The splintering sect that originated from 1517 by the likes of Martin Luther, John Calvin, and others shows the inconsistency of Protestant Doctrine. Back then there were Protestant Lutherans, Calvinist, Zwingli, John Knox, Munsterz, Hugengots.

Today, we have more than that. There are over thousands of Protestant sects with varies doctrines and beliefs.

Here is a fictional discussion of Protestantism splintering:

Protestant senior Pastor: I think it is time we support our women’s right to have an abortion.

Protestant Counsel Member: I don’t think we should. Killing the unborn is unjustified.

Senior Pastor: But abortion is not restricted in the Bible.

Counsel Member: It say thou shall not kill. We can’t kill.

Senior Pastor: But it didn’t say abortion. We can allow it.

Council Member: Well, the Didache states thou shall not kill an infant through abortion."

Senior Pastor; That’s not in the Bible.

Council Member: I disagree. I am resigning and forming my own Church. You are claiming that man has the right to kill.

So the Protestant to this day still splinters… Talk about disunity… shame shame…

Jesus prayed for us to be one. How can this be fullfilled if the Protestantism just keep on splintering?