For creationists that are actually willing to think about the subject....

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I didn’t watch the utubes.

Who is denying evolution?
We are evolving as we speak… according to Gods science.

If Creationism isn’t science…explain human spirit.
We are both physical AND spiritual beings.
 
A purely evolutionary view that excludes God from the process is a bit too much. Too many things have to evolve in an organism at the same time.

OTOH, an unbiased reading of Genesis 1 is not incompatible with evolution. “Let the sea bring forth creatures,” NOT “Let there be fish.” “Let the earth bring forth grass,” NOT “Let there be grass.”

Evolution, after all, is an orderly progression from simpler to more complex forms.

I have no problem with God working through the natural processes that He Himself set up.
 
Like is said on the thread title, for creationists that are “willing to think” about the subject. If you want make unfounded claims like we ARE part spirit please take them to another thread :mad:.

If you want to watch the videos then discuss the evidence for evolution without the interference of a god, this is the thread for you :).
 
AlbertBall said:
Like is said on the thread title, for creationists that are “willing to think” about the subject. If you want make unfounded claims like we ARE part spirit please take them to another thread :mad:.

If you want to watch the videos then discuss the evidence for evolution without the interference of a god, this is the thread for you :).
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What evidence? Science supports mutation, which is testable in a lab. But if you are talking about the evolution of how life came into being, how reproduction came into being, how consciousness came into being, etc, science falls miserably short. That is not to say that some form of evolution is not true. I believe that there is definitely some truth in it. But when you take it so far as to claim that there is absolutely no design behind it or higher power interference, there is frankly no good evidence or arguments to back it up. No amount of propaganda or name calling of people that support intelligent design can deny that simple and brutally scientific fact.

In many ways the acceptance of a complete evolutionary theory is much like someone accepting a religious belief. They might have some evidence for it, and from there take a leap of faith to accept all of the beliefs. I find it awfully ironic that when scientists do such a thing (which they do ALL the time) it is considered perfectly fine and people tend to believe them, despite the fact that historically they usually end up being wrong. However for some reason when a religious person takes that leap, suddenly it means they are stupid and idiotic. Please tell me, what is the difference?
 
AlbertBall said:
Watch these videos… They clearly explain why creationism is NOT science and why evolution is undeniable.

youtube.com/watch?v=XpeHrkbx9LU – to start…

however this is the real meat and bones…

youtube.com/watch?v=KnJX68ELbAY&feature=PlayList&p=126AFB53A6F002CC&index=0&playnext=1
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I simply do not get your point. If there is no God, no “creation”, how does that affect us? It does not. We live our lives and we die. So what? Whether or not one acknowledges or denies evolution makes not one bit of difference in the universe, and cannot make any difference since we have no control over it, right?

However, the mere possibility that you could be incorrect in your judgment of existence; the possibility that all that exists is actually the product of an all-powerful God should worry you just a bit, no?
 
So no creationsits are even willing to sit through a short series of videos?

Typical example of why i want to talk to creationists that will take the time to learn the basics of the subject is to aviod the likes of this…

“But if you are talking about the evolution of how life came into being” - That is abiogenesis, it has nothing to do with evolution. This is clearly explained in one of the videos.
 
AlbertBall said:
So no creationsits are even willing to sit through a short series of videos?

Typical example of why i want to talk to creationists that will take the time to learn the basics of the subject is to aviod the likes of this…

“But if you are talking about the evolution of how life came into being” - That is abiogenesis, it has nothing to do with evolution. This is clearly explained in one of the videos.
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No offense intended, but life is too short to stop and watch every potentially hair-brained video that someone has posted on a public forum. The vast majority of those who frequent the CAF site have deeply held spiritual beliefs which also allow for your point of view. It seems that your point of view does not allow for the spiritual aspect of humanity. What, exactly, is your point?
 
po18guy said:
No offense intended, but life is too short to stop and watch every potentially hair-brained video that someone has posted on a public forum. The vast majority of those who frequent the CAF site have deeply held spiritual beliefs which also allow for your point of view. It seems that your point of view does not allow for the spiritual aspect of humanity. What, exactly, is your point?
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Then i am fine with that, but you must understand that one should not post comments regarding evolution when one does not have a grasp of the subject.

There is nothing wrong with not wanting to learn about a subject, i have very little interest in graphical design, however what i would not do is starting posting about graphical design telling graphical designers they are wrong and i am right, even although i am clueless about the subject.

It also make me wonder why you posted on a thread specifically about a set of videos if you have no interest in the videos?
 
AlbertBall said:
Then i am fine with that, but you must understand that one should not post comments regarding evolution when one does not have a grasp of the subject.

There is nothing wrong with not wanting to learn about a subject, i have very little interest in graphical design, however what i would not do is starting posting about graphical design telling graphical designers they are wrong and i am right, even although i am clueless about the subject.

It also make me wonder why you posted on a thread specifically about a set of videos if you have no interest in the videos?
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Well, the domain of the evolutionist is not monolithic, either. There are many segments within the group, each adhering to their favorite theory. As to evolution, one may take either of two views: It is spontaneous, occurring accidentally and of its own, or it is caused by some outside influence. Creationists who allow for the possibility of evolving species, obviously view it as occurring through external influence.

The difficult pill to swallow for creationists is the totally accidental theory of the origin of life. It fails to explain the gulf between sentient beings and all lower forms - all allegedly stemming from a common single-celled source. Now, an anomaly which allowed a certain strain to exceed the others is certainly possible - if you believe that we exist because of accident. But, how to explain the identical DNA origin of all mankind is a difficulty.
 
po18guy said:
Well, the domain of the evolutionist is not monolithic, either. There are many segments within the group, each adhering to their favorite theory. As to evolution, one may take either of two views: It is spontaneous, occurring accidentally and of its own, or it is caused by some outside influence. Creationists who allow for the possibility of evolving species, obviously view it as occurring through external influence.

The difficult pill to swallow for creationists is the totally accidental theory of the origin of life. It fails to explain the gulf between sentient beings and all lower forms - all allegedly stemming from a common single-celled source. Now, an anomaly which allowed a certain strain to exceed the others is certainly possible - if you believe that we exist because of accident. But, how to explain the identical DNA origin of all mankind is a difficulty.
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Evolution by natural selection an accident??? Also how on earth would mankind being made from DNA be an issue, it’s quite the contrary actually as evolution could have it no other way. Again one should not pass comment on a subject they are ignorant of, you have already stated you have no wish to learn about the subject.
 
Ignoring the irreverent imagery in the second video, I found both very entertaining… and his voice, tone and inflection reminds me a lot of Morpheus 😉

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Again one should not pass comment on a subject they are ignorant of, you have already stated you have no wish to learn about the subject.
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Come now Albert. If you truly want to debate with dyed in the wool, full on, biblicaly literal, 6000 year old Earth creationists, you’re really better off finding a protestant fundamentalist forum as they’re much more plentiful there. Judging by the video content, we aren’t the droids you’re looking for.
 
AlbertBall said:
Evolution by natural selection an accident??? Also how on earth would mankind being made from DNA be an issue, it’s quite the contrary actually as evolution could have it no other way. Again one should not pass comment on a subject they are ignorant of, you have already stated you have no wish to learn about the subject.
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What you allege applies perfectly to creationism, as well. It’s just that Christians, who believe in an unseen God, live in a world of mystery. Some of the deepest, most profound experiences we have are related to various mysteries. Thus, we have little need, and many times lack the desire to know that which may not be granted to us (and which may, indeed, be unknowable). Much of evolution theory attacks or attempts to deconstruct that which we hold sacred. Why would we, believing as we do, then use irreplaceable time in devotion to that with which we are inimical?

I find that many evolutionists are quite evangelical in nature, actively and fervently seeking to spread belief in a theory. What is it that you would have creationists consider, or even believe? What is the advantage of believing in any particular evolution theory?
 
Lynxdk said:
Ignoring the irreverent imagery in the second video, I found both very entertaining… and his voice, tone and inflection reminds me a lot of Morpheus 😉

👍

Come now Albert. If you truly want to debate with dyed in the wool, full on, biblicaly literal, 6000 year old Earth creationists, you’re really better off finding a protestant fundamentalist forum as they’re much more plentiful there. Judging by the video content, we aren’t the droids you’re looking for.
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AlbertBall said:
Evolution by natural selection an accident??? Also how on earth would mankind being made from DNA be an issue, it’s quite the contrary actually as evolution could have it no other way. Again one should not pass comment on a subject they are ignorant of, you have already stated you have no wish to learn about the subject.
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One more thing: How do you square evolution with entropy, which is clearly observable?
 
po18guy said:
What you allege applies perfectly to creationism, as well. It’s just that Christians, who believe in an unseen God, live in a world of mystery. Some of the deepest, most profound experiences we have are related to various mysteries. Thus, we have little need, and many times lack the desire to know that which may not be granted to us (and which may, indeed, be unknowable). Much of evolution theory attacks or attempts to deconstruct that which we hold sacred. Why would we, believing as we do, then use irreplaceable time in devotion to that with which we are inimical?

I find that many evolutionists are quite evangelical in nature, actively and fervently seeking to spread belief in a theory. What is it that you would have creationists consider, or even believe? What is the advantage of believing in any particular evolution theory?
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:)🙂
 
If humankind isn’t both physical and spiritual beings…explain please.

And then explain why my spiritual-self evolves along with my physical-self
 
I see no advantage in believing or disbelieving in evolution. If I spent my life fervently believing in it, or in vehemently denying it, what is the practical difference?

Actually, as Catholics, we can have it both ways. We hold tight to our innermost beliefs and live accordingly. We can also hold that, since all things are possible to God, evolution may be part of His divine plan that has only recently been revealed to man. Again, such “revelation” can also come from the source of evil - intended to lead mankind astray.

We do not and cannot adhere to the recently popular eugenic teachings of a man who believed in racial superiority. However, Christians in general suffer from an appalling lack of curiosity as regards recent man-made theories.
 
bpbasilphx said:
A purely evolutionary view that excludes God from the process is a bit too much. Too many things have to evolve in an organism at the same time.

OTOH, an unbiased reading of Genesis 1 is not incompatible with evolution. “Let the sea bring forth creatures,” NOT “Let there be fish.” “Let the earth bring forth grass,” NOT “Let there be grass.”

Evolution, after all, is an orderly progression from simpler to more complex forms.

I have no problem with God working through the natural processes that He Himself set up.
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Can you reference the relevant scientific documents that link God to evolution?

Peace,
Ed
 
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