For police, the goal is vigilance, not vigilantes

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MaryT777 said:
I think if we had everyone carry concealed weapons which should be allowed in all states
and then have a volunteer police force we’d have a next to nothing crime rate. It’s been posted crime is less in those states where you can carry a concealed weapon

We don’t need to pay some new police officer 50K TO WRITE traffic tickets etc.
it could be done much cheaper.
Anyone can commit a mental health patient in most states with the proper procedure we don’t need the police doing this.

We have better luck finding missing persons from volunteer agencies.

And so on and so on.
Having the police force dispelled and private citizens running the show is the way to go

The police are too expensive when you count in benefits not to mention the politics etc
it’s not worth the expense.

Mary.
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It’s not that simple. The pay is irrelevant to the duties.

Having a CCW does not make you an agent of the State, which would be required to carry out many of the duties of police officers.
 
Robert_Sock said:
Pope Francis makes a remarkable role model for all of us in that he downplays the need for security. I’ll bet that he never owned a gun in his life. When his time comes, he’ll probably be rejoicing with the saints in Heaven.
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Okay. You have now taken a rather odd turn with this thread, Robert. You seem to be fixated on guns, vigilantes, Zimmerman, questioning the Faith of those who carry… Hope you find some peace with these issues. Perhaps you should seek the counsel of someone so you can move past those things?

As for me, my stay is short here on this thread as I have no interest in retreading the Zimmerman thread, so I am out. Though the addition of the Pope is certainly a new and rather unusual reach and angle, happy circling and circling and circling to those who stay in! I’m taking off!

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Brendan said:
Yes, he did, quite a bit actually. Even to the extent that hundreds of teens gathered around his Cathedral to protect him and it from vile pro-aborts.

And since you do not seem to recognize (as the Church) does, that there is a difference between defense and punishment, it would seem all of those defenders were vigilaties, by your definition

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Not to mention, past Popes chose much greater security. Were they now wrong in the eyes of some posters? Did they lack faith in God? Do these same posters lock their doors, wear their seatbelts, and drive with lights on at night, or do they simply trust to the providence of God, as we are told people who carry guns need to do?
 
Dawnia said:
It’s not that simple. The pay is irrelevant to the duties.

Having a CCW does not make you an agent of the State, which would be required to carry out many of the duties of police officers.
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The pay should be relevant to the duties that’s my point.

We could train CCW holders how to enforce traffic issues for a fraction of the cost.
Instead of a police car we could have their own car with a CCW logo on it.
 
Suudy said:
Sure. But since vigilantism is illegal in all states, what makes you think any vigilantes (or wannabe vigilantes)–already willing to break the law–will be deterred by denying them a CCW?
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It sounds like a conspiracy theory to think they are all carrying concealed weapons despite the law. I hope they are not in NW programs.
 
What does it have to do with the thread, I don’t know anyone off the top of my head who owns a bullet proof bubble in the states. Do you? So we would all be in agreement. 👍

Perhaps Obama and his crew will take the same approach.
 
GaryTaylor said:
What does it have to do with the thread, I don’t know anyone off the top of my head who owns a bullet proof bubble in the states. Do you? So we would all be in agreement. 👍

Perhaps Obama and his crew will take the same approach.
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It’s the Pope’s message to all Catholics to trust in God instead of security.
 
Still don’t see your point, nor do I see what is has to do with the tread but your attempt to see America through a Catholic paradigm. Its not relevant to the secular issue you are addressing and this is the News area, not Catholic News.

Square peg in a round hole. And again how did you apply this message to yourself which you suggest everyone should agree with.

And you had no comment before on the same article you trotted out again.

“Security lies in trusting people. It’s true that there’s always the danger that a crazy person will try to do something, but there’s also the Lord,” he said. Sealing off a bishop behind bullet proof glass “is also craziness,” but he said he prefers the craziness of trust.

He is literally living behind bullet proof glass. It has NOTHING to do with what we are talking about. In fact its opposite. He is telling you to confront these crazy people, no?

In fact this is “EXACTLY” what so many do when they decide to have a heart to heart, out in the streets of neighborhoods where they have behavior issues. Nothing new. And these souls also know “crazy” people are out there.

I trust I can connect with their heart.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Still don’t see your point, nor do I see what is has to do with the tread but your attempt to see America through a Catholic paradigm. Its not relevant to the secular issue you are addressing and this is the News area, not Catholic News.

Square peg in a round hole. And again how did you apply this message to yourself which you suggest everyone should agree with.

And you had no comment before on the same article you trotted out again.

“Security lies in trusting people. It’s true that there’s always the danger that a crazy person will try to do something, but there’s also the Lord,” he said. Sealing off a bishop behind bullet proof glass “is also craziness,” but he said he prefers the craziness of trust.

He is literally living behind bullet proof glass. It has NOTHING to do with what we are talking about. In fact its opposite. He is telling you to confront these crazy people, no?

In fact this is “EXACTLY” what so many do when they decide to have a heart to heart, out in the streets of neighborhoods where they have behavior issues. Nothing new. And these souls also know “crazy” people are out there.

I trust I can connect with their heart.
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The Pope’s real message to all Christians, if you read into all of the news articles, is that we must confront the ‘crazies’ with the message of the Gospels, and not with violence. This has everything to do with the original post. Nowhere does the Pope condone the use of violence.
 
Robert_Sock said:
we must confront the ‘crazies’
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So then I guess Pope Francis is a vigilante according to your understanding. 🤷

The Gospel message is only relevant to Christians, which then by logic also then makes all others who confront crazies correct. 👍

Its “how” you do this which is as I said, “heart to heart” after the initial confrontation. Everyone is not going to relate to the Christian message, but they will identify with heart to heart coming from concern. That’s most of the time.
 
Robert_Sock said:
The Pope’s real message to all Christians,** if you read into** all of the news articles, is that we must confront the ‘crazies’ with the message of the Gospels, and not with violence. This has everything to do with the original post. Nowhere does the Pope condone the use of violence.
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:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Not if you read WHAT the pope said, but if you read INTO what that pope said, you can come up with whatever you want.
 
Robert_Sock said:
The Pope’s real message to all Christians, if you read into all of the news articles, is that we must confront the ‘crazies’ with the message of the Gospels, and not with violence. This has everything to do with the original post. Nowhere does the Pope condone the use of violence.
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Again, I assume you are heeding his message and leaving your doors open, and have abandoned the practice of wearing seatbelts or using wireless encryption?

After all, someone who trusts in God wouldn’t need those things, correct?
 
Julian_Bashir said:
Again, I assume you are heeding his message and leaving your doors open, and have abandoned the practice of wearing seatbelts or using wireless encryption?

After all, someone who trusts in God wouldn’t need those things, correct?
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Again, my post has to do with the Pope not condoning the use of violence, but to spread the Gospel message to the ‘crazies.’
 
maryjk said:
. Yes, they will come as so as they can, but even a 5 minute response time will feel like an eternity.
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That would only be an issue in a violent crime. For the sake of the thread, neighborhood watches are about noticing crimes in progress and taking down information, not armed intervention. For the criminal five minutes can seem all too short if he is in commision of a burglary. So all the talk of donuts and stereotypes is relevant to keeping a firearm, but not to neighborhood watch.
 
maryjk said:
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Not if you read WHAT the pope said, but if you read INTO what that pope said, you can come up with whatever you want.
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And, how would you read into his messages overall? Would you say that he would support vigilantism? Do you support vigilantism?
 
GaryTaylor said:
What does it have to do with the thread, I don’t know anyone off the top of my head who owns a bullet proof bubble in the states.
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Thank you. The Holy Father is not engaged in neighborhood watch. Can we drop this already? Or lock up this thread? Instead of looking up vigilante, I propose everyone look up the word “topic”.
 
Robert_Sock said:
And, how would you read into his messages overall? Would you say that he would support vigilantism? Do you support vigilantism?
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I don’t know anyone that supports vigilantism. And I don’t support it.

The problem comes when you change the definition.

I have a concealed carry permit. I use it. Do you consider me a vigilante?

And about the pope’s message? I try not to read anything INTO it. I read it for what it says. Period.
 
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