For police, the goal is vigilance, not vigilantes

[MaryT777]

I agree. Someone pointing a gun at you would be considered aggravated assault. Luckily, there is no evidence of that at all in the aforementioned case.

But is someone following you justification for battery?

TM is not here to give his perspective.

I wouldn’t suggest someone follow people; police want to do that for they are trained to detain and apprehend.

If you think someone is a thug, maybe on drugs, up to no good, and “suspect” call the police and go home.
It’s the safest plan for everyone.

Otherwise, yes you could end up with a bandaid or two on your head from someone trying to save their life from your overzealous vigilante efforts.

Usually people being repeatedly followed/stalked get a restraining order like GZ’s friend did.

 

[MaryT777]

Nope - he got a few medals for it.

Medals are insignificant in the big scheme of life.

 

[scipio337]

TM is not here to give his perspective.

Agreed, again. So what is your source that Zimmerman was “trying to detain [Martin] …with a gun”?

Following someone is not a justification for battery, in my book. “Band aids” or not, that’s battery.

 

[SamH]

Medals are insignificant in the big scheme of life.

Agreed, but congress insists.

 

[SamH]

If you think someone is a thug, maybe on drugs, up to no good, and “suspect” call the police and go home.
It’s the safest plan for everyone.

To bad TM didn’t do this. The only person that did is George.

 

[MaryT777]

Agreed, again. So what is your source that Zimmerman was “trying to detain [Martin] …with a gun”?

Following someone is not a justification for battery, in my book. “Band aids” or not, that’s battery.

Because he saw the gun as Zimmerman stated to the police he reached for it/touched it
He must have seen It then.

Following someone because you don’t like the looks of them or what they are doing is ridiculous at best and dangerous at worst as we can see. GZ had prior stalking behavior though so what’s new. Past behavior is indicative of future behavior. At least he just assaulted the police officer and didn’t shoot him.

 

[MaryT777]

To bad TM didn’t do this. The only person that did is George.

George did follow TM by his own words and he forgot the “go home” part. He was not
a police officer which shows some prudence on part of the police Probably didn’t help he assaulted one of them while drunk I would guess (pure guess) if alcohol awareness was part of the plea deal.

 

[scipio337]

Because he saw the gun as Zimmerman stated to the police he reached for it/touched it
He must have seen It then.

So you mean, AFTER Martin battered Zimmerman, he saw the gun? Per Rachel Jeantel, it wasn’t the possibility of Z carrying a gun that worried Martin.

I’m not sure where your justification is.

 

[MaryT777]

So you mean, AFTER Martin battered Zimmerman, he saw the gun? Per Rachel Jeantel, it wasn’t the possibility of Z carrying a gun that worried Martin.

I’m not sure where your justification is.

No BEFORE. Rachel had no clue Z was carrying a gun until after the fact.

 

[fix]

Someone trying to detain you with a gun is definitely justification for battery.
It’s freaky to follow people around; how bizarre. Call the police and go home; they don’t even want you following suspects around anyway. We don’t need you to do that.

It would not be freaky to follow a suspicious character around until police are available. In some places that is called being a concerned citizen. I mean looking out for your neighbors is a good thing.

 

[MaryT777]

It would not be freaky to follow a suspicious character around until police are available. In some places that is called being a concerned citizen. I mean looking out for your neighbors is a good thing.

Shooting someone in overzealous citizen mode though is not a good thing.
Concerned citizens don’t assault police officers and girlfriends.

 

[fix]

Shooting someone in overzealous citizen mode though is not a good thing.
Concerned citizens don’t assault police officers and girlfriends.

He shot someone who was beating him to death. The other things you mentioned occurred during this event? I ask because I thought he was observing a would be thief who was kicked out of school for criminal like behavior? And had drugs in him.

 

[estesbob]

And dead horses litter the landscape…

 

[MaryT777]

He shot someone who was beating him to death. The other things you mentioned occurred during this event? I ask because I thought he was observing a would be thief who was kicked out of school for criminal like behavior? And had drugs in him.

No of course the other things didn’t happen during the event of Zimmerman profiling,
following, and detaining TM without even telling him he was simply neighborhood watch.
I just noted your concerned citizen statement and hardly think concerned citizens assault police officers while drinking or stalk and assault a girlfriend.

No, GZ was not observing, he was following and stalking around a young kid who was walking home with candy and an iced tea.

We just can’t shoot everyone who we think is a thief, everyone who is kicked out of school, or we think exhibits criminal behavior. The police officer testified TM was doing absolutely nothing wrong.

If so, might as well have an every man and citizen for himself mentality and get rid of the expensive police force.

 

[SwizzleStick]

…Otherwise, yes you could end up with a bandaid or two on your head from someone trying to save their life from your overzealous vigilante efforts…

"What Zimmerman, Martin medical reports tell us and the media didn’t

…First, the reports provide striking evidence that Zimmerman did not start the fight with Martin, and that Zimmerman shot Martin in self-defense. Martin’s injuries were two-fold: broken skin on his knuckles and the fatal gunshot wound.

Zimmerman’s injuries involved: a fractured nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury.

It takes considerable force to break the skin on multiple knuckles. The large range of injuries on Zimmerman indicates that the Martin’s attack was prolonged. But here is what is missing: where are the injuries to Zimmerman’s hands? Where are the bruises on Martin’s face or other parts of his body? The evidence paints a picture where Martin was the only person landing blows.

The broken skin on Martin’s knuckles and Zimmerman’s wounds obviously provide some justification for self-defense. But if Zimmerman is to have justifiably used self-defense, he can’t have provoked Martin’s attack. …
…
Surely Zimmerman had the right to investigate a strange person in his neighborhood. But, in any case, Zimmerman simply asking Martin why he was in the neighborhood doesn’t give Martin the right to start striking him or pounding his head into the concrete sidewalk.

Simple words do not justify hitting someone.

Anyway, it appears that Zimmerman didn’t even question Martin. The 911 tape of Zimmerman reporting a strange person in the area indicates that Zimmerman didn’t even try to ask Martin a question.

When the police operator told Zimmerman “we don’t need you to do that [following Martin],” Zimmerman appears to have stopped following Martin and agreed to go to where the police would be arriving.

The medical evidence implies that Zimmerman did not physically attack Martin and thus there was no justification for Martin to start hitting Zimmerman.

With the case unraveling, it makes the prosecutor’s behavior look even more outrageous. …"

Blue excerpts from:
What Zimmerman, Martin medical reports tell us and the media didn’t
foxnews.com/opinion/2012/05/16/what-zimmerman-martin-medical-reports-tell-us-and-media-didnt/

 

[maryjk]

No BEFORE. Rachel had no clue Z was carrying a gun until after the fact.

Martin had no clue Zimmerman was carrying a weapon until he started banging Zimmeman’s head on the ground.

Shooting someone in overzealous citizen mode though is not a good thing.

Who did that?

You might want to read more about what came out in the trial. Like the fact that Martin was on top of Zimmerman when Zimmerman shot him.

 

[MaryT777]

"What Zimmerman, Martin medical reports tell us and the media didn’t

…First, the reports provide striking evidence that Zimmerman did not start the fight with Martin, and that Zimmerman shot Martin in self-defense. Martin’s injuries were two-fold: broken skin on his knuckles and the fatal gunshot wound.

Zimmerman’s injuries involved: a fractured nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury.

It takes considerable force to break the skin on multiple knuckles. The large range of injuries on Zimmerman indicates that the Martin’s attack was prolonged. But here is what is missing: where are the injuries to Zimmerman’s hands? Where are the bruises on Martin’s face or other parts of his body? The evidence paints a picture where Martin was the only person landing blows.

The broken skin on Martin’s knuckles and Zimmerman’s wounds obviously provide some justification for self-defense. But if Zimmerman is to have justifiably used self-defense, he can’t have provoked Martin’s attack. …
…
Surely Zimmerman had the right to investigate a strange person in his neighborhood. But, in any case, Zimmerman simply asking Martin why he was in the neighborhood doesn’t give Martin the right to start striking him or pounding his head into the concrete sidewalk.

Simple words do not justify hitting someone.

Anyway, it appears that Zimmerman didn’t even question Martin. The 911 tape of Zimmerman reporting a strange person in the area indicates that Zimmerman didn’t even try to ask Martin a question.

When the police operator told Zimmerman “we don’t need you to do that [following Martin],” Zimmerman appears to have stopped following Martin and agreed to go to where the police would be arriving.

The medical evidence implies that Zimmerman did not physically attack Martin and thus there was no justification for Martin to start hitting Zimmerman.

With the case unraveling, it makes the prosecutor’s behavior look even more outrageous. …"

Blue excerpts from:
What Zimmerman, Martin medical reports tell us and the media didn’t
foxnews.com/opinion/2012/05/16/what-zimmerman-martin-medical-reports-tell-us-and-media-didnt/

Seeing a gun does definitely give someone a right to defend themselves and try to grab the gun away and assault someone. Zimmerman was afraid TM would take the gun and shoot him.
This was an outrageous preventable crime.

 

[april32010]

And dead horses litter the landscape…

The tribal wisdom of the Plains Indians, passed on from generation to generation, says that:

“When you discover that you are riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to dismount.”

However, more advanced strategies are often employed, such as:

1. Buying a stronger whip.
2. Changing riders.
3. Appointing a committee to study the horse.
4. Arranging to visit other countries to see how other cultures ride dead horses.
5. Lowering the standards so that dead horses can be included (Alternatively, we make them a “protected class” so that other horses cannot discriminate against them ).
6. Reclassifying the dead horse as living-impaired.
7. Hiring outside contractors to ride the dead horse.
8. Harnessing several dead horses together to increase speed.
9. Providing additional funding and/or training to increase the dead horse’s performance .
10. Doing a productivity study to see if lighter riders would improve the dead horse’s performance.
11. Declaring that as the dead horse does not have to be fed, it is less costly, carries lower overhead and therefore contributes substantially more to the bottom line of the economy than do some other horses.
12. Rewriting the expected performance requirements for all horses
    And, of course…
13. Promoting the dead horse to a supervisory position

 

[maryjk]

Seeing a gun does definitely give someone a right to defend themselves and try to grab the gun away and assault someone. Zimmerman was afraid TM would take the gun and shoot him.
This was an outrageous preventable crime.

Are you kidding? So, you believe, that if you see a gun, you are within your rights to try to grab that gun?

Wow. I guess that tells us a lot.

 

[MaryT777]

Martin had no clue Zimmerman was carrying a weapon until he started banging Zimmeman’s head on the ground.
Who did that?

You might want to read more about what came out in the trial. Like the fact that Martin was on top of Zimmerman when Zimmerman shot him.

TM reached for/touched the gun according to Zimmerman’s own words so your statement is incorrect. TM had every right to bang GZ’s head on the ground to save his life

You might want to read more about what came out in the trial or watch reruns for there was an eyewitness that saw Zimmerman on top

The eyewitness statements were inconsistent.

GZ is lucky. Next time he tries to detain someone like a police officer he could end up dead most likely for people know he packs a piece and assaults girlfriends and police officers.