For police, the goal is vigilance, not vigilantes

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MaryT777 said:
What did he expect to happen if he got out of his vehicle after following someone in his vehicle and on foot who saw his weapon?
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MaryT777 said:
I am saying that when TM came over to find out what GZ’s problem is he saw the gun reached for it and fought for his life. Read the testimony to the police. GZ said he reached for it once and touched it another.
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First you say that Martin saw the gun, while Zimmerman was in the truck. Now it is that Martin saw the gun after he tracked down Zimmerman to question him. Which is it?
He’s not required to “surrender” or acquiesce, or be detained by anyone that is not a police officer.
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It is a made up scenario that Zimmerman tried to detain Martin. There is no evidence showing this happened.
GZ wanted to be a hero and instead killed an innocent man. Was he an “angel” No.
No one is. Neither was GZ. There are consequences to actions.
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Yes, there are consequences to actions. Beat someone’s head against the ground and you might end up shot.
 
maryjk said:
First you say that Martin saw the gun, while Zimmerman was in the truck. Now it is that Martin saw the gun after he tracked down Zimmerman to question him. Which is it?It is a made up scenario that Zimmerman tried to detain Martin. There is no evidence showing this happened.
Yes, there are consequences to actions. Beat someone’s head against the ground and you might end up shot.
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We obviously aren’t looking at the situation with the proper fabricated perspective. 🙂
 
MaryT777 said:
TM stood his ground
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Its legal for all in that county and many. That’s why the jury and verdict. This then is for all. If not affirmed by all then peaceful change should occur.

Be it TM was right or wrong, in his mind he was standing his ground. So when this doesn’t work out to your favor we should trust the police and legal system? Or if not peacefully change what we all uphold.

So what are we changing?
 
So, in summary…

Calling the police when you see someone acting suspicious in your neighborhood and following them at a distance, so you know where they are when the police arrive, is vigilantism.

Going after someone whom you think is a “creepy *** cracker” suspiciously following you and confronting that person, rather than calling the police and/or returning to your father’s house, is just, prudent, reasonable, etc.
 
maryjk said:
First you say that Martin saw the gun, while Zimmerman was in the truck. Now it is that Martin saw the gun after he tracked down Zimmerman to question him. Which is it?It is a made up scenario that Zimmerman tried to detain Martin. There is no evidence showing this happened.
Yes, there are consequences to actions. Beat someone’s head against the ground and you might end up shot.
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How could Martin see the gun in the truck? I said Zimmerman was following him in his VEHICLE and then on foot which he admitted to.

Of course he tried to detain him ; what else was he going to do after he followed him around but try to detain him, Just say "hello? Or what is some thug like you, probably on drugs doing in MY neighborhood (that he can’t even recall 3 streets of due to his self reported bad memory)

He’s lucky the police officer he assaulted while drinking didn’t shoot him as well. That’s why we need police officer who are trained to handle issues do so. They didn’t shoot Zimmerman when he tried to assault them while drinking.
(or in need of alcohol awareness which means alcohol was involved)
 
MaryT777 said:
How could Martin see the gun in the truck? I said Zimmerman was following him in his VEHICLE and then on foot which he admitted to.

Of course he tried to detain him ; what else was he going to do after he followed him around but try to detain him, Just say "hello? Or what is some thug like you, probably on drugs doing in MY neighborhood (that he can’t even recall 3 streets of due to his self reported bad memory)
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What else? Wait for the police, whom he called, to arrive and let them know the whereabouts of said suspicious person. By following said suspicious person, you would know where they are, when the police finally show up.

A good idea? Apparently, not. But, it is more likely than assuming without evidence that his intent was to detain.
 
Robert_Sock said:
GZ didn’t know that following a ‘suspect’ could be dangerous? What was he doing in a NW?
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He won’t be in another one at least one that’s insured.
Mary.
Thank God the Martin family received some compensation for the negligence of the HOA in endorsing someone like GZ. I highly doubt though they were aware of the prior assault on a police officer or they might have thought twice,
‘No thank’ we don’t need your “services.”
 
MaryT777 said:
…Of course he tried to detain him ; what else was he going to do after he followed him around but try to detain him, Just say "hello? Or what is some thug like you, probably on drugs doing in MY neighborhood (that he can’t even recall 3 streets of due to his self reported bad memory)…
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Speculation.
 
MaryT777 said:
How could Martin see the gun in the truck? I said Zimmerman was following him in his VEHICLE and then on foot which he admitted to.

Of course he tried to detain him ; what else was he going to do after he followed him around but try to detain him, Just say "hello? Or what is some thug like you, probably on drugs doing in MY neighborhood (that he can’t even recall 3 streets of due to his self reported bad memory)

He’s lucky the police officer he assaulted while drinking didn’t shoot him as well. That’s why we need police officer who are trained to handle issues do so. They didn’t shoot Zimmerman when he tried to assault them while drinking.
(or in need of alcohol awareness which means alcohol was involved)
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Why would a police officer, who was in plain clothes and hadn’t identified himself as an officer, shoot someone for putting their hand on their shoulder and turning them around to ask why they were trying to drag a friend out?

(the incident involved plain clothes officers doing age drinking enforcement grabbing Zimmerman’s friend because they suspected he was underage)
 
styrgwillidar said:
Why would a police officer, who was in plain clothes and hadn’t identified himself as an officer, shoot someone for putting their hand on their shoulder and turning them around to ask why they were trying to drag a friend out?

(the incident involved plain clothes officers doing age drinking enforcement grabbing Zimmerman’s friend because they suspected he was underage)
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LOL…Ok then…carry on with your speculation GZ was a little ole angel.
 
MaryT777 said:
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Mary, if the police didn’t catch any issues with GZ, then they aren’t efficient, this is likely what Zimmerman thought after 46 calls and the incident with the police and homeless man.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Mary, if the police didn’t catch any issues with GZ, then they aren’t inefficient, this is likely what Zimmerman thought after 46 calls and the incident with the police and homeless man.
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LOL…the ole angel Zimmerman prevails…
I beg to differ.

Now let’s justify the girlfriend assault issue…oh that’s right…
The police assault issue…with alcohol awareness as a “sentence” he was gently putting his hand on the friend while the police hauled him away for underage drinking.
Sure.

🤣

I’ve never said the police were inefficient; must have been someone else.
 
MaryT777 said:
LOL…the ole angel Zimmerman prevails…
I beg to differ.

Now let’s justify the girlfriend assault issue…oh that’s right…
The police assault issue…with alcohol awareness as a “sentence” he was gently putting his hand on the friend while the police hauled him away for underage drinking.
Sure.
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More lies and slander of a man you’ve never even met about situations you can’t possibly know the truth of. Shameful.
 
lcburgundy said:
More lies and slander of a man you’ve never even met about situations you can’t possibly know the truth of. Shameful.
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I know the truth of this which IS truth:

1: GZ assaulted a police officer and he received alcohol awareness.
2: His girlfriend said he “trolled around her neighborhood” and she needed a restraining order

Now you can disagree with all of this and make excuses but it’s still fact.
He has killed a man after and I agree that is indeed shameful.

Indeed shameful is the perfect word for a young man killed while walking home with candy and an iced tea.

Shameful indeed, Amen.
 
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