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[MementoMori3283]

Some may. I don’t know. There should be some on there now.

???

 

[ibkc]

I see. So are you a street evangelist?

I might be interested in doing that at some point, yes.

Are you willing to affirm our fundamenalist Christian statement of faith?

Christian statement of faith? Absolutely.

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered, died, and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in fulfillment of the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

 

[MementoMori3283]

Third, I explained that the videos would be going up on a private website and that** they MAY go up on YouTube. I never stated that they would go up on YouTube** or guaranteed that they would be up in any public location.

Originally Posted by someotherguy
Some may. I don’t know. There should be some on there now.

???

 

[someotherguy]

I might be interested in doing that at some point, yes.

Christian statement of faith? Absolutely.

Really? So then, you have no problem affirming that the Bible is the only inerrant, inspired word of God?

You do realize that you would have to deny Purgatory and affirm all of the solas, right?

Are you a street evangelist? Are you willing to supply a letter or an email for your pastor?

 

[MementoMori3283]

Christian statement of faith? Absolutely.

We believe in one God,

Amen!

 

[someotherguy]

???

No question. I said that there should be videos up now. I didn’t say they were ours.

 

[ibkc]

Really? So then, you have no problem affirming that the Bible is the only inerrant, inspired word of God?

It doesn’t say in the Bible that the Bible is the only inerrant, inspired word of God, so no, I can’t affirm that. If I did, I’d be doing something that isn’t in the Bible. Darn.

You do realize that you would have to deny Purgatory and affirm all of the solas, right?

To do so would be to deny essential Christian teachings, so no. Why do you deny essential Christian teachings which have been around since the very beginning? Don’t you worry that you are leading souls away from Christ and towards bibliolatry?

 

[someotherguy]

Why do you deny essential Christian teachings which have been around since the very beginning?

None of these things are listed among the doctrines defined as “essential” in scripture.

Don’t you worry that you are leading souls away from Christ and towards bibliolatry?

No, not in the least.

 

[ibkc]

None of these things are listed among the doctrines defined as “essential” in scripture.

So where is sola scriptura in Scripture?

No, not in the least.

I beg you, pray and meditate on this point - are you doing God’s work or the Devil’s? I am praying for you, and I am asking the saints to pray for you and for those who look to you for guidance.

 

[mercygate]

I might be interested in doing that at some point, yes.

Christian statement of faith? Absolutely.

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered, died, and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in fulfillment of the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

Street evangelism? Alive and well in the Catholic Evidence Guild! Can’t fnd a website for them but there are training sessions (I think weekly) in New York City at St. Malachy’s Church.

 

[someotherguy]

So where is sola scriptura in Scripture?

Sola scriptura isn’t an essential, either.

I beg you, pray and meditate on this point - are you doing God’s work or the Devil’s?

Well, since it was God who commanded us to do it, I’m going to say God’s.

I am praying for you, and I am asking the saints to pray for you and for those who look to you for guidance.

Please don’t pray to the dead for me.

 

[ibkc]

Sola scriptura isn’t an essential, either.

Ah - so you’re fine with the notion of Sacred Tradition taking its rightful place as an authoritative source of the Word of God. I am surprised but happy to hear that.

Please don’t pray to the dead for me.

Don’t be afraid. I do not pray “to” the saints; I ask them to pray just as I would ask my neighbor to pray.

 

[rtconstant]

Sola scriptura isn’t an essential, either.

Really? So then, you have no problem affirming that the Bible is the only inerrant, inspired word of God?

Then why imply that it was?

Well, since it was God who commanded us to do it, I’m going to say God’s.

Well, Jesus did tell us to tell all people this is true. He didn’t however tell us to deny His Church. Nor put the greatest product of the Church and her teachings (The Bible) above the teachings themselves.

Please don’t pray to the dead for me.

The Saints in Heaven have eternal life and are much more alive than you or I.

 

[someotherguy]

Ah - so you’re fine with the notion of Sacred Tradition taking its rightful place as an authoritative source of the Word of God. I am surprised but happy to hear that.

Actually, I was being facetious. Tradition is valid only inasmuch as it is supported by scripture.

Don’t be afraid.

I’m not afraid. I’m offended. More importantly, God is offended.

I do not pray “to” the saints; I ask them to pray just as I would ask my neighbor to pray.

I see. Are your neighbors dead?

 

[someotherguy]

Then why imply that it was?

I never said nor implied that it was.

Well, Jesus did tell us to tell all people this is true. He didn’t however tell us to deny His Church. Nor put the greatest product of the Church and her teachings (The Bible) above the teachings themselves.

I agree.

The Saints in Heaven have eternal life and are much more alive than you or I.

Really? So then, how did they get to Heaven?

 

[ibkc]

I’m not afraid. I’m offended. More importantly, God is offended.

I don’t think it is wise to presume to know what God is thinking about anything. It is also very sad to see the way certain people who claim to be Christian speak so rudely and dismissively about the great men and women who gave their lives to Him and for Him, often in a quite literal sense. We are all His children, even those who have passed on from this world.

I see. Are your neighbors dead?

Of course not. But neither are the saints. They are alive in Heaven, not cold and dead in the ground.

 

[someotherguy]

I don’t think it is wise to presume to know what God is thinking about anything.

I don’t have to presume. I can read His word and know exactly what He thinks.

It is also very sad to see the way certain people who claim to be Christian speak so rudely and dismissively about the great men and women who gave their lives to Him and for Him, often in a quite literal sense. We are all His children, even those who have passed on from this world.

The Bible says that we’re not all His children and, while those Christians who have “passed on from this world” may be His children, that doesn’t negate the fact that they are dead.

Of course not. But neither are the saints. They are alive in Heaven, not cold and dead in the ground.

So, how did they get to Heaven if they didn’t die first?

 

[ibkc]

I don’t have to presume. I can read His word and know exactly what He thinks.

Ah. All righty, then.

The Bible says that we’re not all His children

He made us all. If we accept Christ, we acknowledge this.

and, while those Christians who have “passed on from this world” may be His children, that doesn’t negate the fact that they are dead.

So, how did they get to Heaven if they didn’t die first?

Our bodies die, but our souls live on. Do you deny this? Sounds like you are denying the reality of Heaven. Why do you have such little faith in God’s power?

 

[someotherguy]

He made us all. If we accept Christ, we acknowledge this.

I see. So then, the Bible is lying when it says that we’re not children of God until we become children of God by being born again?

Our bodies die, but our souls live on. Do you deny this? Sounds like you are denying the reality of Heaven. Why do you have such little faith in God’s power?

I have great faith in God’s power. I just don’t have any faith in your meager understanding of God’s word.

 

[MementoMori3283]

I have great faith in God’s power. I just don’t have any faith in your meager understanding of God’s word.

What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.