For the Love Of God let's DO something

[Soutane]

Grace & Peace!

Soutane, I admire your zeal. But the two quotes from you above reveal the weak foundation of your project–you wish to remake the Kingdom of God into the image of the Kingdom of the World. Look at history. See how many people wished to create the Kingdom of God on earth and see how all of them slowly (or quickly) became the Kingdom of the World. You may protest and say your motives are pure. I believe they are. You may say God is on your side because you are a faithful Catholic. Fine. But your project, your intentions, are colored by a jealous anger which covets what the World has. That is pride. Not God. I am being brutally honest. If you continue down this path, you will fail and your intentions will come to nothing.

There is nothing that the world has that is worth coveting. Period. There is no government or authority structure that the World models or endorses that is worth pursuing. Period. There is no way to become the world without being stained by the World. Our Lord did not say, “Take courage, I have become the World.” He said, “Take courage, I have overcome the World.”

In the wilderness, Jesus was offered the World. The condition? Submit to the Demon. That submission remains the condition by which becoming the World is a possibility, by which we actualize on the world stage the will to power. I feel, Soutane, that you are also in the wilderness, and that this seductive temptation has come to you to test you and your faith. Do not submit to the Demon. But take courage. Our Lord has overcome the World.

I wish you peace and every blessing. My participation in this thread ends here.

Under the Mercy,
Mark

All is Grace and Mercy! Deo Gratias!

Please excuse my zealotry.In humility I see the sense in what you are saying.and submit to the Truth of it .I have mispokrn when i said we can become the world;Christ has already accomplished that for us but we should not be complacent and as Cartholic and non-Catholic Christians we have every right to defend our Faith and our Families.I am not a demogogue nor a rabble-rouser but am a fed-up Christian who is sick of seeing the Faith defecated upon within and without the Church and it is within our purview to do something about that-something Ghandi-like,something Martin Luther King-like,something Christ-like.All of us cannot be st Francis sometimes we need St Joan of Arc or St Sebastiens.I am one little voice;I don’t want my voice to be heard I want OUR voices to be heard.The Enemy and his human minions are emboldened and unafraid of us unlke our Muslim Brethren.We can defeat them or make them crawl back under their rocks if we act boldly and without fear.Whether its through public prayer,marches demanding respect or making our voices heard in every outlet of the media.The secret of this world is that we are not regarded as people by industry,governments and media,we are simply consumers and if we refuse to consume and let them know why, they out of pure fear for
their bottom line will unstop their ears and LISTEN.Refuse to render unto Caesar what is Christ’s.There are shepards,rams and guard dogs in every flock,don’t go gently into that good night.We have to fight the heresy of Modenism TOGETHER.What I am talking about is not becoming the world but evangelizing the whole world every last living soul and we can’t do that trembling behind our keyboards.

 

[Soutane]

Maybe, we can start with baby steps by making ourselves “visible” Catholics.

1. Wear a cross/crucifix pin or something similar. Be not afraid.
2. Do not be afraid to comment on news with misleading headlines wherever and whenever you come across them. It can be done sweetly but, firmly to offer your challenge as to motive, unsubstantiated and lack of further background and details behind each article.
3. Organise a Rosary Crusade. It is Our Lady’s month and a good time to start one.

Just that for now.

Santi2-excellent suggestions-become a VISIBLE Catholic in this world.Your friends,neighbours abd co-workers should know we are Catholic and non-Catholic Christians or we are not living our Christianity.We have to bring our Faith back into the public square,through,bumperstickers,medals and crucufixes and public recitation of prayer and rediscovery of the sacrament of confession and public processions of the Holy Eucharist or on the feast of Mount Carmel and the Assumption.Every August in Welland Ontario on the Feast of the Assumption of Mary at St Mary’s Church comprised mainly of devout Italians,Me and my mangecake son join this beautiful and joyful procession through the streets of Welland carrying the statue of the lady of the Scapular.People come out of their houses and stare mutely and reverently-never any laughter or disrespect while we process saying the rosary in Italian and English.It THRILLS my spirit,rejuvenates my Catholicism and bears public witness to Christ,the Communion of Saints and the Faithful.I am so proud of those unabashed ,unashamed Catholics and proud to process with them.My 15 year old son’s face beams with joy.

 

[Ignatius]

The time for civil disobedience and personal revolution is here.We must be willing to be persecuted and jailed for our faith as ST Paul was and suffer literal crucifixtion if we must.All this whinging and complaining on these Catholic boards is beginning to sicken me.We are speaking to the converted or arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin-it strikes me a Pharasical.Christ didn’t argue HE DID.So did His apostles and every single one was martyred except John…Let’s not emulate the Muslims but Ghandi and offer up our bodies and become figurative and literal martyrs.Let us conduct worldwide sit ins and passive resistance.Some will be hurt and some will die but ENOUGH!!!
You Americans where is your revolutionary spirit?.The greatest flag in the world is the coiled rattlesnake with "don’t tread on me"Perhaps one of the Body,Blood.Soul and Divinity with the same slogan is more apropos.The time for talk is over.the time for action is now.I don’t have a clue as to how one can start a movement but historically movements were started by the Faithful.Now is the time for or a Crusade against immoral secularism and the sidelining of Christianity.Christians are in the vast majority in both our countries but we feel alone and isolated and helpless.For GOD"S SAKE let’s DO SOMETHING.Come on we have smart powerful professional people here-LET IT BEGIN HERE…

Be careful, in Canada (and soon here) that could be construed as hate speach!

 

[Soutane]

Talk about a rant without specifics. The new rebel without a cause:shrug:

Every conversations got to start somewhere.Do YOU have any suggestions?We’re listening.I am not a rebel and we do have a cause,the question is how should we ensure our VOICE is heard.Please include yours.You are most welcome.ALL suggestions are welcome.There are brilliant and Saintly people here.This is a gathering place for Cathilics around the world.We can really achieve something here.I am merely vocalising what troubles every Catholic who loves his/her Faith.Please help us .

 

[Soutane]

Be careful, in Canada (and soon here) that could be construed as hate speach!

We’re getting rid of our “human Rights” Tribunals but who knows maybe you’re right and Guyonthestreet can see me jailed and understand that I am serious.As a matter of fact if anyone is interested you can contact the Ontario Human Rights Tribunal and make a formal complaint against me-all info is on the internet and i have the forms at home for another reason and i will post them to you and make the complaint-I will be summoned to a kangaroo court,of course have my freedom of speech rights abrogated and be found guilty with a $15,000 to $30,000 dollar fine which I will refuse to pay and be jailed,with common criminals.

 

[aspawloski4th]

Every conversations got to start somewhere.Do YOU have any suggestions?We’re listening.I am not a rebel and we do have a cause,the question is how should we ensure our VOICE is heard.Please include yours.You are most welcome.ALL suggestions are welcome.There are brilliant and Saintly people here.This is a gathering place for Cathilics around the world.We can really achieve something here.I am merely vocalising what troubles every Catholic who loves his/her Faith.Please help us .

You given no specifics. What specific thing sparked this from you? What do you want to do? Please leave nothing to mt imagaination.

 

[Soutane]

You given no specifics. What specific thing sparked this from you? What do you want to do? Please leave nothing to mt imagaination.

I gave plenty of specifics and reasons in the bulk of my posts and polemics if you will.It is your job to read the posts. I have no intention of doing your homework for you or a precis,Do your own reading,Many other posters get the drift without remedial assistance,so should you.It’s very easy to barge into the middle of a conversation and DEMAND to be brought up to date.It’s also very rude.Decide for yourself if you wish to contribute or please take your leave,or join the Usual naysaying Suspects and contribute nothing but complaints which are easily dismissed and generally ignored…Thank you.

 

[Guyonthestreet]

Don’t let ANYONE tell you your Catholicism doesn’t belong in the Public Square.

Does Islam, Hinduism, Judaism, Calvanism, Church of England, Orthodoxy etc also belong in the public square?

If yes, what happens when the conficting theologies clash in the public square?

If no, why does Catholicism above any other religion have the right to command the public square?

 

[aspawloski4th]

I gave plenty of specifics and reasons in the bulk of my posts and polemics if you will.It is your job to read the posts. I have no intention of doing your homework for you or a precis,Do your own reading,Many other posters get the drift without remedial assistance,so should you.It’s very easy to barge into the middle of a conversation and DEMAND to be brought up to date.It’s also very rude.Decide for yourself if you wish to contribute or please take your leave,or join the Usual naysaying Suspects and contribute nothing but complaints which are easily dismissed and generally ignored…Thank you.

Ive read the posts and no secifics. Sounds like what people have been saying for ages. Unless its in person I cant read minds.

 

[Santi2]

Does Islam, Hinduism, Judaism, Calvanism, Church of England, Orthodoxy etc also belong in the public square?

If yes, what happens when the conficting theologies clash in the public square?

If no, why does Catholicism above any other religion have the right to command the public square?

All of them have a voice in the public square. And even when there are conflicting theologies, faith communities could still work together because they recognise and would appreciate the respect for the exercise and practice of faith. The common denominator to faith communities would that, at some point in history, some (if not all) of them had suffered persecution.

 

[Soutane]

Ive read the posts and no secifics. Sounds like what people have been saying for ages. Unless its in person I cant read minds.

Specifics have been suggested and good ones too.Like being VISIBLY CATHOLIC or non-CATHOLIC CHRISTIANS.Praying in the public square.Protest marches against media,secular,legal and governmental oppression.Surely you personally have worthy ideas and suggestions?Write letters to the editor.Send emails to the producers and owners of stations that allow blatantly Catholic programs on the air.I’m sick of it and so are you.If we cower behind our keyboards complaining to one another and being non-supportive then we’re allowing secular bigoted anti-Catholicism and anti non-Catholic Christianity to steamroll us,and surely you’re against that,right and fed up?All I’m trying to do is spark discussion on ways we can respond to this diabolical oppression in a Christian and effective way.Why not consult with members of your Church.We must support our priests and clergy and push back.People may have been saying it for ages but no one has done anything about it since the middle ages.We are the largest Organized Religion on the Face of this planet and we have brilliant,determined and fed up congregants who are itching to do something so let us come up with ideas and implement them singularly or collectively or through existing Christian groups or NEW ones.The Floor is yours sir.

 

[Guyonthestreet]

All of them have a voice in the public square. And even when there are conflicting theologies, faith communities could still work together because they recognise and would appreciate the respect for the exercise and practice of faith

I can recognise this,

It’s happening in the parishes around me.

But wouldnt commanding the public square as being called for in this thread damage this ecumanism?

 

[Soutane]

Those being attacked the most have the greater right and responsibility to Command the Public Square or dialoguie which MOST are aware that is just an expression.No one denies the right of the JDL(Jewish defense league) to defend Jews and Judaism,the NAACP to defend African-Americans ,The various Hibernian organistions to defend the rights of those of Irish Heritage,Or the Italian anti-Defamation league their turn to command the public square,nor should we be.Great idea Guyonthestreet since you are so pro ecumenicism you could be a point man to unify us all against ALL the insults and bigotry that all we and the aforementioned have suffered!Perhaps you could coordinate this effort.

 

[Soutane]

All of them have a voice in the public square. And even when there are conflicting theologies, faith communities could still work together because they recognise and would appreciate the respect for the exercise and practice of faith. The common denominator to faith communities would that, at some point in history, some (if not all) of them had suffered persecution.

Excellent point Santi 2-we ALL have suffered persecution so union or ecumenism in this fight to take back the public square would be for ALL of us.What could possibly withstand such a force speaking to bigotry against ANY of its members.

 

[estesbob]

The time for civil disobedience and personal revolution is here.We must be willing to be persecuted and jailed for our faith as ST Paul was and suffer literal crucifixtion if we must.All this whinging and complaining on these Catholic boards is beginning to sicken me.We are speaking to the converted or arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin-it strikes me a Pharasical.Christ didn’t argue HE DID.So did His apostles and every single one was martyred except John…Let’s not emulate the Muslims but Ghandi and offer up our bodies and become figurative and literal martyrs.Let us conduct worldwide sit ins and passive resistance.Some will be hurt and some will die but ENOUGH!!!
You Americans where is your revolutionary spirit?.The greatest flag in the world is the coiled rattlesnake with "don’t tread on me"Perhaps one of the Body,Blood.Soul and Divinity with the same slogan is more apropos.The time for talk is over.the time for action is now.I don’t have a clue as to how one can start a movement but historically movements were started by the Faithful.Now is the time for or a Crusade against immoral secularism and the sidelining of Christianity.Christians are in the vast majority in both our countries but we feel alone and isolated and helpless.For GOD"S SAKE let’s DO SOMETHING.Come on we have smart powerful professional people here-LET IT BEGIN HERE…

What is exactly that we are supposed to do something about?

 

[Santi2]

But wouldnt commanding the public square as being called for in this thread damage this ecumanism?

Not really. Other faith communities recognise that the threat to the exercise and practice of faith does not come from the Catholic Church but from secular groups.

 

[Guyonthestreet]

Not really. Other faith communities recognise that the threat to the exercise and practice of faith does not come from the Catholic Church but from secular groups.

Yes.

But to take the case in point of homosexuality - the beef is that as a catholic you cant publicaly declare homosexual acts to be an abomination against the Lord, or you risk being arrested for hate speech and public disorder.

Some Protestant rites hold there is nothing wrong whatsoever in a loving homosexual union.

What happens when these two meet in the metaphorical public square?

You would be effectively telling your comrade at arms, whos support you need and want to defeat the tyrany of secularism, their life is an abomination.

If you then move onto divorce etc the waters become stormier.

 

[Guyonthestreet]

What is exactly that we are supposed to do something about?

This whole thread reminded me of that poem by Roger McGough:

"I wanna be the leader
I wanna be the leader
Can I be the leader?
Can I? I can?
Promise? Promise?
Yippee I’m the leader
I’m the leader

OK what shall we do?"

 

[estesbob]

This whole thread reminded me of that poem by Roger McGough:

"I wanna be the leader
I wanna be the leader
Can I be the leader?
Can I? I can?
Promise? Promise?
Yippee I’m the leader
I’m the leader

OK what shall we do?"

I was wondering if I had wandered into a remake of “Network”

 

[Soutane]

What is exactly that we are supposed to do something about?

Don’t you hate the way We’re portrayed in the liberal media?Particularly a new comedy that mocks Christ and Christians on the Comedy Channel?That the Catholic Church is painted as evil personified in the media,etc.This doesn’t bother you?It doesn’t make you angry or concerned for the souls and salvation of those who calumnize Christ and us?Casual priest jokes on television and from "friends"who lash the 98.8% of innocent priests?doesn’t it want to make you do something rather than just complain to others who just nod their heads in sympathy?Secular governments who will indoctrinate your grade 3 children to believe SSA is normal,that homosexual genital sex is not disordered,that so-called same-sex marriage is a norm,that personal masturbatory experimentation with oneself and sex outside of marriage is good and wholesome.As they JUST attempted to do in my country and soon will in yours?
This is the kind of thing we should do something about instead of cowering behind our keyboards on a Saturday afternoon?wouldn’t it be more effective for 10,100,1000,10,000,100,000,1,000,000 Catholics to gather together and pray the Rosary and Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet publicly across our nations and shock the seculars and gather with our separated brethren to pray ecumenically,and publicly?A national day of prayer,annually,monthly,weekly,PUBLICLY?Don’t you think THAT would have a tremendous positive impact on our societies.It just has to start with two people and God guarantees He will be in our midst.
How did African-Americans gain a modicum of respect and equal treatment before the Law?By DEMANDING it.By Freedom Rides,Freedom Marches,by following the martyred Martin Luther King or the Indians get out from under disdainful racist English Imperialism-by following a gentle little man from South Africa-Ghandi.Christ is our example and we are called top be the Face of Christ to this scoffing world.We have the numbers let’s do something in the imitation of Christ that will save souls and bring respect back to Faith-All Faiths.