For thine Is The Kingdom...

[Righteousone]

It’s an ancient doxology used in the liturgy (it might be in the Didache, I can’t remember). It was so often associated with the Lord’s prayer that it was put in the footnotes of some Bibles and even copied directly into the text. It was in the KJV (I think) which is why English-speaking Protestants tend to say it that way.

Thank you.

 

[SIA]

It was actually written in Catholic Bibles as scribes were copying it over, (because it was said in Catholic Liturgies), but it was ONLY copied as a side note. That ending phrase is not in the original manuscripts of the Lord’s Prayer in any of the Gospels. Some Protestant translators not having knowledge of it, copied it into their Bibles anyways.

Someone with more knowledge on the subject should feel free to add.

Pace e Bene
Andrew

the why does the Catholic church say “deliver us Lord from every evil and grant us peace in our day etc.” same difference.

 

[Harpazo]

the why does the Catholic church say “deliver us Lord from every evil and grant us peace in our day etc.” same difference.

Because it was the Church that put it into the Our Father during the Liturgy. Please read my prior posts on the subject.

Monks copying Scripture for the Church wrote down that little ending as a type of commentary, but somehow when Protestants were translating Scripture accidently, I assume, added it in, thinking it was part of Scripture.

Alaha minokhoun
Andrew

 

[inthecloud]

I funny how protestant specially the Bible believing kind use two catholic monks innovations as inspired scripture.

1. The Doxology at the end of the Lord Prayer.
2. Jehovah for a name of God

Both are monks sidenotes or copying mistakes that somehow got to the classic protestant Bibles.

 

[SIA]

Because it was the Church that put it into the Our Father during the Liturgy. Please read my prior posts on the subject.

Monks copying Scripture for the Church wrote down that little ending as a type of commentary, but somehow when Protestants were translating Scripture accidently, I assume, added it in, thinking it was part of Scripture.

Alaha minokhoun
Andrew

Please. Why would anyone argue it. It’s okay if the Catholic church adds something but not if someone else does? I’ll continue proudly saying “for thine is the kingdom” after the Our Father in my church.

 

[Harpazo]

Please. Why would anyone argue it. It’s okay if the Catholic church adds something but not if someone else does? I’ll continue proudly saying “for thine is the kingdom” after the Our Father in my church.

Shlomo!

Just as we do. I don’t understand why you’re trying to argue against this other than the sake of arguing.

Alaha minokhoun
Andrew

 

[SIA]

Shlomo!

Just as we do. I don’t understand why you’re trying to argue against this other than the sake of arguing.

Alaha minokhoun
Andrew

I believe that it was you who said that Protestants have no basis for the Doxology but that it was okay for Catholics to use (their) version of something viewed as commentary for after the Our Father.

 

[bpbasilphx]

Correct me here, but I don’t recall Christ saying this part of the Our Father at the end of it.

Some NT mss contain this doxology, and some don’t.

BUT it was a standard ending to Jewish prayers. So it quite likely would have been said in any case, considering the context.

FWIW, in the Byzantine Churches (Orthodox and Catholic) it ends, "For Thine is the Kingdom and the Power and the Glory of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, now and ever and unto ages of ages,: which words are said by the Priest.

 

[inthecloud]

BUT it was a standard ending to Jewish prayers. So it quite likely would have been said in any case, considering the context.

In others words: Tradition

It makes sense that the new christians in Antioch added the Doxology to the Lord’s Prayer. Many of them were Jews and that was the custom.
So for a liturgical christian that believes in tradition it does make a lot of sense.
Not so for a Bible believing fundamentalist. It was added to some Bibles but not to all of them.

 

[sterryfamily]

It is fine as a liturgical prayer. The problem is in passing it off as Biblical - these words weren’t spoken by our Lord.

 

[inthecloud]

Please. Why would anyone argue it. It’s okay if the Catholic church adds something but not if someone else does? I’ll continue proudly saying “for thine is the kingdom” after the Our Father in my church.

There is nothing wrong with doing it, the first Christans did that in the Didache, is a fine tradition.
But is not Biblical, is Apostolic Tradition.