For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

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Economic advancement is largely contingent on family solidarity.
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That’s the whole point. Sex, marriage, family cohesion and poverty are all intimately related. Sex is only expressed properly in the confines of marriage. Since contraception use has been steadily growing since the 1920s, the understanding that sex is both and inseparably procreative and unitive has been lost. If properly understood, then marriage as the public institution where the sexual act is appropriate is realised.

The contraceptive mentality has directly lead to poverty, especially in the black community, because men do not truly love their partners when they reject the life-giving union of the sexual act. Instead it is a place where women are commonly victimized and left to raise the child on their own.
 
Zundrah said:
Can you think of a solution?
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We’ve come pretty far (in the wrong direction) for their to be a simple solution. I suppose for one thing, the government should not be in the business of promoting contraception, the widespread use of which led to all the evils predicted by Pope Paul VI. In that regard, the recent HHS mandate is a step in precisely the wrong direction, even as government social policy.

Also, the widespread early sexualzation of children through quite graphic and intrusive ‘sexuality education’ programs ought to stop. The net effect is to deprive children of their innocence and introduce them into the world of sexuality long before they are ready. Many of the materials used by these programs come from sources such as Planned Parenthood and SIECUS, whose programs from the start have promoted sexual promiscuity.

And the government should find a way to reward marriage rather than penalize it; to promote fatherhood rather than marginalize it.

Just some thoughts. I’m sure there is a lot that could be done. Some one in Bill Clinton’s administration once said that poverty can be avoided simply by finishing high school, and not having children until married.
 
He_Man said:
Yes, lets avoid facts in an effort not to offend. We can discuss every demographic in every other topic, but mentioning astoundingly bad statistics among the black community is racist?

So it is okay to call out things like “where are the fathers?” or “men escape responsibility!” (all true, mind you), but referencing statistics on race is somehow taboo? As a man and father, I’ll be the first to admit there are a lot of loser men out there who are deadbeats and poor excuses for men. Can we call a spade a spade?

Please. Facts are what they are. There are many reasons for these facts that should be reviewed and discussed. To avoid this sort of thing is to bury our heads in the sand and pretend things will work out. They won’t. It will get worse, and society will destroy itself. It is essentially moral entropy. Life gravitates towards chaos without some effort.
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Are we discussing every other demographic in every other topic or are we just primarily singling out blacks for separate discussion? There are other demographics that have not been discussed in this thread such as whites, Asians, mixed-race, or Native Americans. 66% of Native American pregnancies were to unwed mothers which is not very different from 74%. Why isn’t the unwed pregnancy rate among Native Americans being brought up? Are blacks the most important group in society that they are the only group to be singled out?
 
JimG said:
We’ve come pretty far (in the wrong direction) for their to be a simple solution. I suppose for one thing, the government should not be in the business of promoting contraception, the widespread use of which led to all the evils predicted by Pope Paul VI. In that regard, the recent HHS mandate is a step in precisely the wrong direction, even as government social policy.

Also, the widespread early sexualzation of children through quite graphic and intrusive ‘sexuality education’ programs ought to stop. The net effect is to deprive children of their innocence and introduce them into the world of sexuality long before they are ready. Many of the materials used by these programs come from sources such as Planned Parenthood and SIECUS, whose programs from the start have promoted sexual promiscuity.

And the government should find a way to reward marriage rather than penalize it; to promote fatherhood rather than marginalize it.

Just some thoughts. I’m sure there is a lot that could be done. Some one in Bill Clinton’s administration once said that poverty can be avoided simply by finishing high school, and not having children until married.
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I can’t see them stopping sex education on the young any time soon. In fact I can’t see them revising any of what you’ve brought up.
 
Zundrah said:
I can’t see them stopping sex education on the young any time soon. In fact I can’t see them revising any of what you’ve brought up.
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Which is why I’m not really all that hopeful about reversing the decline of our culture into chaos. If a culture is unwilling to inculcate responsible behavior, there’s not much hope.
 
LovePatience said:
If the War in Poverty is the primary reason, why did it not affect all groups equally? Are some groups prevented from being compensated for the loss of income?
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“Readers’ Companion to U.S. Women’s History,” says:
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Many observers point out that the War on Poverty's** attention to Black America** created the grounds for the backlash that began in the 1970s. The perception by the white middle class that it was footing the bill for ever-increasing services to the poor led to diminished support for welfare state programs, especially those that targeted specific groups and neighborhoods. Many whites viewed Great Society programs as supporting the economic and social needs of low-income urban minorities; they lost sympathy, especially as the economy declined during the 1970s.
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So War on Poverty seems to at least in part been directed in part at Black Americans. In War on Poverty’s case, it was bad attention that in large part contributed to the poverty and many of the problems in the Black community today.
 
_Abyssinia said:
“Readers’ Companion to U.S. Women’s History,” says:

So War on Poverty seems to at least in part been directed in part at Black Americans. In War on Poverty’s case, it was bad attention that in large part contributed to the poverty and many of the problems in the Black community today.
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Are you saying that the effects of the War on Poverty have nothing to do with policies that affect one racial group more than others and everything to do with who the public pays attention to? That if someone says that they want to help black Americans, that will have more impact on single parent families in black communities than any sort of policy that they implement? Basically, they can implement anything they want as long as no “attention” is paid.
 
Now that the HHS pushes this atrocity of birth control coverage - let’s get back to the basics. Let’s stop teaching our children how to put condoms on bananas, let’s throw out the “safe sex” and “safer sex” nonsense from their curricula. Let’s teach them abstinence before marriage instead of enabling irresponsibility, and we will go a long way towards fixing our problems.

But we need one thing first - throw out Obama and the liberals at the elections. Pre-marital abstinence and marital fdelity education ain’t gonna happen with Barack Obama, Kathleen Sebelius, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi in the leadership.
 
LovePatience said:
Are you saying that the effects of the War on Poverty have nothing to do with policies that affect one racial group more than others and everything to do with who the public pays attention to? That if someone says that they want to help black Americans, that will have more impact on single parent families in black communities than any sort of policy that they implement? Basically, they can implement anything they want as long as no “attention” is paid.
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I don’t think it’s really about race, although government policies seem to have destroyed black families disproportionately. There is one black pastor, Rev. Clenard Childress, who calls current national abortion policy ‘black genocide.’
 
JimG said:
I don’t think it’s really about race, although government policies seem to have destroyed black families disproportionately. There is one black pastor, Rev. Clenard Childress, who calls current national abortion policy ‘black genocide.’
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If its not really about race, then why would it affect black families disproportionately and why are so many posters singling out black people for discussion? That’s a contradiction.

As for abortion, which is a separate issue. Roe v. Wade was passed by 6 GOP appointed justices, 5 of whom favored abortion so it is certainly not from the same people pushing the War on Poverty.
 
LovePatience said:
If its not really about race, then why would it affect black families disproportionately and why are so many posters singling out black people for discussion? That’s a contradiction.
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The numbers paint a much worse picture for black families. That isn’t being racist, that is fact. Now if you’d like to discuss why, go for it. Otherwise, just pretend the statistics are evenly spread among all demographics.
 
LovePatience said:
If its not really about race, then why would it affect black families disproportionately and why are so many posters singling out black people for discussion? That’s a contradiction.
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I guess I haven’t been paying close enough attention. The stats, if I recall correctly are that the rate of out of wedlock births in the black community have increased from a level which was a little below the national average, up to a rate of something like 70%. I don’t recall the period of time involved, but rates have shot up for all segments of the population; the inner city rate has gone up disproportionally. The question is whether that has been enhanced or enabled because governmental policies discouraged responsible fatherhood. If that is the case, than the rates can be expected to continue to increase for every segment of the population.
 
JimG said:
I guess I haven’t been paying close enough attention. The stats, if I recall correctly are that the rate of out of wedlock births in the black community have increased from a level which was a little below the national average, up to a rate of something like 70%. I don’t recall the period of time involved, but rates have shot up for all segments of the population; the inner city rate has gone up disproportionally. The question is whether that has been enhanced or enabled because governmental policies discouraged responsible fatherhood. If that is the case, than the rates can be expected to continue to increase for every segment of the population.
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Seems to be a shift in social attitudes that lead to specific governmental policies as this is a worldwide trend. The main question is: what caused the universal shift in Western morality? Doesn’t seem to be the War on Poverty unless all countries, not just America, decided to fight a War on Poverty at the same time. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db18_Fig_6.png
 
LovePatience said:
Are you saying that the effects of the War on Poverty have nothing to do with policies that affect one racial group more than others and everything to do with who the public pays attention to? That if someone says that they want to help black Americans, that will have more impact on single parent families in black communities than any sort of policy that they implement? Basically, they can implement anything they want as long as no “attention” is paid.
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War on Poverty policies have disproportionately targeted Black people, they have been a failure.

Dr. Walter E. Williams says in 1880 in Philadelphia, three-quarters of black families enjoyed a two-parent household, as well as in New York in 1925. So what happened to the black family? How could families hold together so closely in a time of much more segregation and discrimination? Because, as Dr. Williams suggests, there was no welfare or Great Society programs:

jewishworldreview.com/cols/williams060805.asp

Up until the 1960s there were more Black business owners, more Black people with PHDs etc.

What happened in the 1960s was the introduction of the War on Poverty policies. Poverty was introduced through government housing, which turned in to slums. Through welfare unwed pregnancy was subsidized. New attitudes to sex were introduced, spread through War on Poverty money.
 
That’s an interesting—and appalling—chart. Apparently, Iceland, Sweden, and Norway, have been deconstructing marriage for many years now, so people just don’t bother to get married anymore. France has become increasingly secularized. The UK, and US have been deconstructing marriage as rapidly as the agenda can be pushed through.

All in all, one gets the feel of being an old Roman citizen in the year 410, remembering better days but hoping for things to improve. Another fifty years, though, and the hoped for better days are a distant memory with a civilization in the throes of collapse.

Who will preserve the remnants this time? Perhaps the monasteries again. I’m afraid that the younger generation have no idea what they are in for.
 
Why is Japan doing so well?
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Less testosterone?
If its not really about race, then why would it affect black families disproportionately and why are so many posters singling out black people for discussion? That’s a contradiction.
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Because black culture suffers disproportionately from negligent or absent fathers. This is precisely why the contraceptive mentality primarily harms women and children. Obama, who is almost 99% supported by the black community should recognize that promoting contraception can only make poverty worse.
 
I don’t know why Japan is doing so well with respect to out of wedlock births. But they do tend to be a rather traditional society.
 
_Abyssinia said:
War on Poverty policies have disproportionately targeted Black people, they have been a failure.

Dr. Walter E. Williams says in 1880 in Philadelphia, three-quarters of black families enjoyed a two-parent household, as well as in New York in 1925. So what happened to the black family? How could families hold together so closely in a time of much more segregation and discrimination? Because, as Dr. Williams suggests, there was no welfare or Great Society programs:

jewishworldreview.com/cols/williams060805.asp

Up until the 1960s there were more Black business owners, more Black people with PHDs etc.

What happened in the 1960s was the introduction of the War on Poverty policies. Poverty was introduced through government housing, which turned in to slums. Through welfare unwed pregnancy was subsidized. New attitudes to sex were introduced, spread through War on Poverty money.
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You have not shown how the War on Poverty disproportionately targeted black people and not other groups in society. Until you show that, it makes no sense why you keep singling black people out.

Your arguments about black PhDs are not true.
A similar success story, at first glance, seemingly exists for African-American graduate students. Back in 1987, only 787 blacks earned PhDs in the United States. By 2004, 1869 African Americans earned doctorates, representing 7.1. percent of all PhDs granted that year. However, for the next two years, the number of African Americans granted PhDs fell – down to 1,688 in 2005 and 1,659 in 2006http://www.blackcommentator.com/270/270_along_the_color_line_black_higher_education.html.
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Black PhDs have been rising with the times.
 
Pork_Roll said:
Less testosterone?Because black culture suffers disproportionately from negligent or absent fathers. This is precisely why the contraceptive mentality primarily harms women and children. Obama, who is almost 99% supported by the black community should recognize that promoting contraception can only make poverty worse.
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Doesn’t really make any sense.

Japan still has a high percentage of poverty with fewer births of out wedlock. Europe has the lowest with the more births out of wedlock.
Percentage of population under the absolute poverty level: 12 percent. Compared to 19 percent in the United States and 8 percent in Europe.
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factsanddetails.com/japan.php?itemid=640&catid=19&subcatid=120

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/poverty_rate1.png This chart suggests that the 1960s poverty programs lowered the rate of poverty.
 
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