For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage

[mary_bobo]

How dare you say things like this, not only it is offensive, but damn well wrong you should be ashamed of yourself. beginning to think i should grab you a stone, but maybe you can handle that yourself

As to the race of who is having what children if they are married or not, doesnt really come into it. There isnt a white race, black race etc just the HUMAN RACE

I can see that you are upset by some comments. I am sorry for that. However, please cite some statistics to show that children in single parent homes do as well as those from a two parent family. You have stated that this is not true. How do you know?

 

[severus68]

Without respect to race, the problem is that children born outside of marriage do worse in life. Their parents have started them out with a disadvantage. They are more likely to end up poor, they have worse prospects all around.

The fact that so many are ensuring that their children are born without an intact family is quite troubling.

Where do you get your stats from? I am quite sure that single parent children in Scandanavia for instance, do not do worse in life, do not end up poor.ZIs it better to grow up in an ‘intact’ family where one parent is abusive?

 

[severus68]

the post i responding to was about children born out of wedlock not as a result of divorce. as to your comment, unless i cant read which i know i can, children brought up in a two parent family dont seem to fair to well either, a percentage of them end up on drugs in prison etc, to say that a child born to a single mother isnt going to have a happy life or make anything of themselves it wrong. I read a post on this website about someone who went to school with a girl who had a child she never married but her son grow up, went to university and become a USAF pilot,

Children abilities to be successful in their lives have to be taught by their parents, doesnt matter whether its one parent or two

Well said here and in your post about all of us being part of the human race.

 

[L_piperatus]

To respond to L piperatus I do not want to divert this discussion about politics but your political views are very different to mine as a catholic.

Why? All I said is that both Clinton and Obama have used/are using tax money to teach school children sexual promiscuity, putting condoms on bananas, easy access to free contraceptives, giving Planned Parenthood access to our school children, and similar moral atrocities. In contrast, President Bush promoted abstinence education in the schools - but alas, President Obama immediately defunded those programs put in place by Bush, programs that correctly educated our children to stay abstinent before marriage.

How do you envision, please, curbing the current epidemic of out-of-wedlock pregnancies, if we won’t even put an end to our enabling sexual promiscuity by Clinton- and Obama-style programs that encourage pre-marital sex?

We must put an end to the insanity, throw out the politicians who seek to mislead the youth and destroy our children’s innocence, and elect new leaders who will once again bring back pre-marital abstinence education into the classroom, exactly like President Bush did!

 

[SamH]

Where do you get your stats from? I am quite sure that single parent children in Scandanavia for instance, do not do worse in life, do not end up poor.ZIs it better to grow up in an ‘intact’ family where one parent is abusive?

See the links I provided in my previous post and this one. It’s well known and documented fact that children that grow up in a single parent household are more likely to be poor, grow up poor, and remain poor as an adult than children that grow up in a two parent household.

I fail to understand all the animosity towards a widely accepted fact that is equally widely documented.

joe.org/joe/1986winter/rb2.php

family.jrank.org/pages/1578/Single-Parent-Families-Economics-Single-Parent-Family-Life.html

As for your Scandanavai claim, while the poverty rate is somewhat lower during childhood due to greater benefits, the issues with education and other life “issues” (lower income as an adult due to less education) are just as common.

However, a recent study in Sweden—where the safety net is stronger than in the U.S. and where the poverty rate among single mothers is very low—found problems for children of Swedish single-parent families similar to those found for children of American single-parent families

www.clasp.org/publications/marriage_brief3_annotated.pdf

 

[L_piperatus]

See the links I provided in my previous post and this one. It’s well known and documented fact that children that grow up in a single parent household are more likely to be poor, grow up poor, and remain poor as an adult than children that grow up in a two parent household.

I fail to understand all the animosity towards a widely accepted fact that is equally widely documented.

joe.org/joe/1986winter/rb2.php

family.jrank.org/pages/1578/Single-Parent-Families-Economics-Single-Parent-Family-Life.html

I’m also dumbfounded by this explosion of animosity. Why is it so difficult to see that children who grow up with a single parent have, statistically, a much harder lot in life? This is true regardless of whether their parents divorce, are lost due to death, or the children are born to unwed mothers.

 

[tbcrawford]

Why? All I said is that both Clinton and Obama have used/are using tax money to teach school children sexual promiscuity, putting condoms on bananas, easy access to free contraceptives, giving Planned Parenthood access to our school children, and similar moral atrocities. In contrast, President Bush promoted abstinence education in the schools - but alas, President Obama immediately defunded those programs put in place by Bush, programs that correctly educated our children to stay abstinent before marriage.

How do you envision, please, curbing the current epidemic of out-of-wedlock pregnancies, if we won’t even put an end to our enabling sexual promiscuity by Clinton- and Obama-style programs that encourage pre-marital sex?

We must put an end to the insanity, throw out the politicians who seek to mislead the youth and destroy our children’s innocence, and elect new leaders who will once again bring back pre-marital abstinence education into the classroom, exactly like President Bush did!

As I said “I do not want to divert this discussion about politics but your political views are very different to mine as a catholic.”

 

[vsedriver]

Men do seem to somehow slip through the net of responsibility.

The greater responsibility lies with the woman. She’s the one who carries new life in her. Women need to take a different view of sex. As long as women want free sex the same way men have access to sex we will never solve this problem of out of wedlock births, abortion, or contraception.

Men have come to expect women to be free with their sexual favors. It is easy for men to separate sex from procreation because they don’t get pregnant. The only sex education young people need is to learn is that sex=baby. If you aren’t ready to deal with ‘baby’ then you aren’t ready for sex.

Please remember I am not saying anything about rape as that is not a normal male/female relationship.

 

[severus68]

See the links I provided in my previous post and this one. It’s well known and documented fact that children that grow up in a single parent household are more likely to be poor, grow up poor, and remain poor as an adult than children that grow up in a two parent household.

I fail to understand all the animosity towards a widely accepted fact that is equally widely documented.

joe.org/joe/1986winter/rb2.php

family.jrank.org/pages/1578/Single-Parent-Families-Economics-Single-Parent-Family-Life.html

As for your Scandanavai claim, while the poverty rate is somewhat lower during childhood due to greater benefits, the issues with education and other life “issues” (lower income as an adult due to less education) are just as common.

www.clasp.org/publications/marriage_brief3_annotated.pdf

Went to your 2 links. Of course the income of a single parent would be less than that of 2 parents in particular in the case of a divorce when the mother is left literally holding the baby. This would be more applicable in the US where children are not entitled on their own personhood to basic rights where the single parent is unable to provide fully and where so many (even Christians) want it all left to the charity of individuals

The Scandanavian countries provide free education up to university level to children of their citizens, even single parents.

I take great exception to your snide comments to a poster “THe truth hurts” and to that effect, someone who said she was a single mother,

 

[severus68]

The greater responsibility lies with the woman. She’s the one who carries new life in her. Women need to take a different view of sex. As long as women want free sex the same way men have access to sex we will never solve this problem of out of wedlock births, abortion, or contraception.

Men have come to expect women to be free with their sexual favors. It is easy for men to separate sex from procreation because they don’t get pregnant. The only sex education young people need is to learn is that sex=baby. If you aren’t ready to deal with ‘baby’ then you aren’t ready for sex.

Please remember I am not saying anything about rape as that is not a normal male/female relationship.

The fact that women often bear the greater consequences does not mean that women should bear the greater responsibility. Both men and women should take responsibility for their actions. I could say that as long as men, want free sex we will never solve the problems of out of wedlock births. Some married couples do resort to abortion and practise contraception, you do know?

 

[L_piperatus]

That’s an interesting—and appalling—chart. Apparently, Iceland, Sweden, and Norway, have been deconstructing marriage for many years now, so people just don’t bother to get married anymore. France has become increasingly secularized. The UK, and US have been deconstructing marriage as rapidly as the agenda can be pushed through.

All in all, one gets the feel of being an old Roman citizen in the year 410, remembering better days but hoping for things to improve. Another fifty years, though, and the hoped for better days are a distant memory with a civilization in the throes of collapse.

Who will preserve the remnants this time? Perhaps the monasteries again. I’m afraid that the younger generation have no idea what they are in for.

Wow, I agree with you! I’m afraid the USA, UK, and other leaders of Western civilization are self-destroying. I’ve heard that the Scandinavian countries are undergoing demographic collapse, they desperately need immigrants, and they see a growing tension between indigenous Scandinavians and Muslim immigrants. Out-of-wedlock childbirths and demographic collapse are related, because no matter how some folks contest it, it is hard to raise children as single parents. Thus, single mothers will typically have fewer children than married couples.

Perhaps our best hope lies with African countries adopting Catholic religion, and even former Communist countries in Eastern Europe returning to their Christian and Catholic heritage. Which brings this to mind:

How disgusting are the current leaders of the USA, running around Africa and Eastern Europe, trying to impose all this filth of abortion, contraception, and the gay agenda on other countries! One more reason why Obama and company must be thrown out at the upcoming elections. Obama’s cabinet issued an official condemnation of the Nigerian parliament, because Nigeria rejected gay marriage. Obama was personally involved in pushing for legalization of abortion in Kenya. When Hungary in Eastern Europe recently adopted its new pro-life Constitution, a Constitution that recognizes in its preamble that Hungary is a Christian country established on Christian foundations by King St. Stephen in 896 AD (King St. Stephen is a canonized saint in the Catholic Church), both the leaders of the USA and the UK and Germany, as well as the European Parliament, issued condemnations of Hungary. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton also got involved, voicing her “concerns” about Hungary.

So, we in the USA and elsewhere have some serious house cleaning to do, because as it stands now, we are falling apart, and our elected leaders are exporting immorality to other parts of the world and trying to strong-arm other countries to adopt our immoral ways (no wonder some of those countries feel an ever diminishing sense of respect for the USA and Western Europe).

Throw out Obama-Clinton-Sebelius-Biden-Reid-Pelosi at the elections!!!

 

[SamH]

Went to your 2 links. Of course the income of a single parent would be less than that of 2 parents in particular in the case of a divorce when the mother is left literally holding the baby. This would be more applicable in the US where children are not entitled on their own personhood to basic rights where the single parent is unable to provide fully and where so many (even Christians) want it all left to the charity of individuals

The Scandanavian countries provide free education up to university level to children of their citizens, even single parents.

I take great exception to your snide comments to a poster “THe truth hurts” and to that effect, someone who said she was a single mother,

Perhaps you should go back and read the post I replied to. The person was very rude in their reply and accused another poster of being racist for simply stating a documented fact.

Even though Scandanavia provides “free” education the drop out rate is still higher among children that grew up in single parent households - just as it is in the US.

I could provide information on the social safety net of the US but I really don’t feel like it at this time, nor do I think you are ready and willing to absorb the information.

 

[tomarin]

Ever wonder why there is so many names in the phone book that begin with “fitz”. It is because that’s the Gaelic word for illegitimate child of John, Gerald, Hugh, etc.

Can you cite something authoritative that corroborates that “fitz” means "illegitimate son? I thought it was simply Norman French for “son,” i.e. “fils.”

 

[severus68]

Perhaps you should go back and read the post I replied to. The person was very rude in their reply and accused another poster of being racist for simply stating a documented fact.

Even though Scandanavia provides “free” education the drop out rate is still higher among children that grew up in single parent households - just as it is in the US.

I could provide information on the social safety net of the US but I really don’t feel like it at this time, nor do I think you are ready and willing to absorb the information.

Perhaps you could quote from UNESCO or some other international authority not fom an article whose premise is the support of marriage etc.

Really? Lol, maybe you have a hard time proving the existence of such social safety net for children?

 

[SamH]

Perhaps you could quote from UNESCO or some other international authority not fom an article whose premise is the support of marriage etc.

Really? Lol, maybe you have a hard time proving the existence of such social safety net for children?

You first.

 

[severus68]

I’m also dumbfounded by this explosion of animosity. Why is it so difficult to see that children who grow up with a single parent have, statistically, a much harder lot in life? This is true regardless of whether their parents divorce, are lost due to death, or the children are born to unwed mothers.

Do you think those snarky comments made to Marala by SamH were acceptable?

It is trite that it is best that children are born and grow up in two parent families. Of course it is harder for a single parent, However, it is possible and not uncommon for single parents to bring up well adjusted, happy children.

 

[severus68]

You first.

The person who avers something has to prove it, simple logic.

 

[SamH]

The person who avers something has to prove it, simple logic.

I’ve already proved it, you are disputing the documented proof provided claiming it is not correct.

And you provided nothing to support any of your claims.

 

[Maralah]

Perhaps you should go back and read the post I replied to. The person was very rude in their reply and accused another poster of being racist for simply stating a documented fact.

I believe you are talking about me i was offended by what was written by someone, and responded, I wasn’t being racist at all.

I just made a point that there isnt a white race black race etc just the human race,

 

[SamH]

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I believe you are talking about me i was offended by what was written by someone, and responded, I wasn’t being racist at all.

I just made a point that there isnt a white race black race etc just the human race,

Actually you accused the other poster of being racist - a comment I did not understand at all because as he pointed out the issue isn’t limited to any single race. A point I expanded on in showing issues with single parenthood are worldwide - even in the extremely “single” friendly nations like Sweden and the UK. Apparently the moderators also found your post offensive because they deleted it and any post that quoted it.