Forced Releif in Mayanmar

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Try reading my posts again. I never said that we refused all offers. I said that we did not accept all offers which is our right as a sovreign nation. You appear to be having a disagreement with yourself.
No, you are having a disagreement with yourself.

The claim was made that we refused aid – with the implication that this somehow justifies the Myanmar junta. That claim was wrong. We accepted all the aid we could use, and thanked the donors.
 
“Poorly thought out” is actually what I am thinking right now concerning your reactions to my posts in this thread.

What part of “undecided” have you misunderstood?

When I have arrived at a decision, I’ll let you know, and then you can feel free to fantasize about my “theory” all you want.

As is, there is not even a theory to work with.
Just a bunch of facts, opinions, and a big undecided.
You said it was your theory and you sugested irritating the neighboring countries and building airstrips and using force…in your theory. I said your theory is poorly thought out that would have severe unintended consequences. You have offered nothing other than those actions as possible considerations. What would convince you to do those things you suggested? What is keeping you from making a decision?
 
His comments have nothing to do with oil – he just wants to say something nasty about the United States.
Well you’re the one implying that you have the right to invade other countries on the basis of it being in the “national interest of the United States” (I don’t live in Britain by the way)
 
Well you’re the one implying that you have the right to invade other countries on the basis of it being in the “national interest of the United States” (I don’t live in Britain by the way)
Typical.

I did not say that – I pointed out that an invasion of Myanmar was not in the national interests of the United States, and therefore we should not be involved. And I also said the British Commonwealth has the responsibility, Myanmar being a former British colony.
 
Typical.

I did not say that – I pointed out that an invasion of Myanmar was not in the national interests of the United States, and therefore we should not be involved. And I also said the British Commonwealth has the responsibility, Myanmar being a former British colony.
Then what has the national interest, which most commonly refers to a country’s economic goals, got to do with it?
 
Again and again, you will see charges made on these forums that world hunger is our fault. It isn’t – it’s the fault of governments like that of Myanmar.

No matter how much charity we give, people will starve when war lords and corrupt governments either steal what we give, or prevent it from being transported to where the need is.
Oh I agree Vern. We donate plenty of food and other aid to other countries. It’s mostly if not entirely their government’s fault that their people starve.
 
What would convince you to do those things you suggested? What is keeping you from making a decision?
  • Knowing we have the manpower and materials necessary.
  • Knowing that our presence in the region would help.
  • Knowing that the various countries in the region will either assist, or get out of the way.
  • Knowing that loss of life due to the action would be acceptable in comparison to the loss of life in not doing anything
 
Then what has the national interest, which most commonly refers to a country’s economic goals, got to do with it?
It means we have no business there.

If you want Myanmar invaded, go invade! Don’t try to get other people to face dangers you are not willing to face yourself. Don’t try to get other people to make sacrifices you aren’t willing to make yourself.
 
Would it be wrong to go into Mayanmar with our Military, over ride the Government that is preventing the free world from saving lives. Put our soldiers in harms way and help them now? Then stay to protect those that would be singled out for accepting our help. Possibly for 100 years. What do you think? If I was president I would not hesitate.

God Bless
Knowing absolutely nothing about Mayanmar, I would like to know the Mayanmar government’s side of the story.
 
If you go to myanmar.gov.mm/ and click on the link titled “home pages”, you will be taken to the site myanmar.com/newspaper/nlm/index.html
which has some Burmese government press releases, as well as some pro-goverrnment news articles.
It’s my understanding that most repressive regimes frown at letting others inside for a number of reasons one of which is fear that it will turn into a take over and deposing of their leadership. Secondly they do not wish their people to be enlightened as to what is going on in the outside world. These people generally are kept in ignorance as to world events and how the majority of the world lives for obvious reasons.

I am appalled frankly that the world stands by helplessly as tens of thousands die needlessly. Where are all those who claim such a love for human life? They aren’t here clamoring that something be done. No, not at all.
 
It’s my understanding that most repressive regimes frown at letting others inside for a number of reasons one of which is fear that it will turn into a take over and deposing of their leadership. Secondly they do not wish their people to be enlightened as to what is going on in the outside world. These people generally are kept in ignorance as to world events and how the majority of the world lives for obvious reasons.

I am appalled frankly that the world stands by helplessly as tens of thousands die needlessly. Where are all those who claim such a love for human life? They aren’t here clamoring that something be done. No, not at all.
If you’re making the initial assault in landing craft, jump off the side of the ramp, not the end. If the surf lifts the stern of the landing craft, the ramp will hit the backs of your legs and the boat may run over you.😉

If you’re parachuting in, move off the DZ to your objective as soon as you’re 70% assembled.
 
  • Knowing we have the manpower and materials necessary.
  • Knowing that our presence in the region would help.
  • Knowing that the various countries in the region will either assist, or get out of the way.
  • Knowing that loss of life due to the action would be acceptable in comparison to the loss of life in not doing anything
You seem to be as free wheeling with other peoples lives as you are with other peoples resources and if ‘they don’t get out of the way or assist’ our presence in the region we will be about as helpfull as it is in Iraq right now. Are you running for President too?

Governments are the problem not the solution. There are many privately funded NGO groups ready and willing to offer help to them for free; please donate to them. It is the government of Burma that is killing it’s people. If you want to send the US military declare war through Congress with the object to kill and capture the political and military government of that nation so that relief can be given. That is our law to go to war.

China had its own disaster recently and they are accepting aid with the gratitude it is given. The US has disasters everyday with tornados and hurricanes, forrest fires, and gang murders. Things that cause suffering happen all over all the time. We do not need to add to it by starting more war.
 
It means we have no business there.

If you want Myanmar invaded, go invade! Don’t try to get other people to face dangers you are not willing to face yourself. Don’t try to get other people to make sacrifices you aren’t willing to make yourself.
I don’t want to invade. What makes you think the U.S has any business in Iraq?

opens can of worms
 
I don’t want to invade. What makes you think the U.S has any business in Iraq?
The fact that under treaty obligations we defended Kuwait, were signatories to and guarentors of the truce following the ejection of the Iraqis from that nation, and that Saddam violated the terms of that truce repeatedly.
 
I wish there was something we could do to help these people.

Kathy
 
I am appalled frankly that the world stands by helplessly as tens of thousands die needlessly. Where are all those who claim such a love for human life? They aren’t here clamoring that something be done. No, not at all.
I think it would be a good cause to use force to deliver aid. But with China officially opposed would it do more harm than good? Could it start a world war, if China felt their sphere of influence was being invaded? Would it take too long to organize the military for the invasion?

Also isn’t that what the west did in Somalia, and then everyone just complained about the invasion, including the people we were trying to help? It’s very complicated. Why doesn’t China help them, they’re Burma’s allies and neighbours. I think the blame goes on China.
 
Also isn’t that what the west did in Somalia, and then everyone just complained about the invasion, including the people we were trying to help? It’s very complicated.
It was very complicated, and remains so. Somalia was (and still is) a failed state - its government too weak to control the country. Rival warlords controlled the country back then, and the US stepped into the middle of the mess. I’m not advocating force in Burma, but the situation is a bit different since Burma’s central government thoroughly controls the population.
Why doesn’t China help them, they’re Burma’s allies and neighbours. I think the blame goes on China.
China had a good deal of success getting aid into Burma, before its earthquake. I’m not sure how much Chinese aid is going to Burma now, but I think it is understandable if China was more focused on its own disaster.

As to blaming China… I dunno. Indonesia currently has a seat on the UN Security Council and it too threatened to veto France’s proposal to use force. I think nations in that part of the world are a bit shy when it comes to Western military intervention.
 
The fact that under treaty obligations we defended Kuwait, were signatories to and guarentors of the truce following the ejection of the Iraqis from that nation, and that Saddam violated the terms of that truce repeatedly.
That was not the premis for the invasion and ‘regime change’
 
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