Read the thread starting here if you like.
A tragedy to be sure. Let’s remember them in our prayers. What would you personally like to do for them and what do you want the United States government to do for them in your name?
Thank you for the response. As to what I intend to do, there is nothing I can at this time. Donations do little good without distribution. I have no travel plans to Myanmar at this time.
Well we must have all imagined that whole WMD/weapons inspection debacle then. I mean why bother with that if the reason for war already existed.
ahh so small border violationa and unfounded conjecture does not justify an invasion…
So Iran and North Korea are not capable of that? They havn’t been invaded yet, and North Korea is a potential nuclear weapons threat.
Why are you asking this question?
Because it is relevant to the discussion.
Each human life is treated equally from the womb to the tomb.
We followed our civil law to enter into WW2 which met the religious Just War criteria. We went to war with the nations that attacked us and that declared war on us.
No. Are the 4000+ dead OK with you now?
Tell me where. Explain your logic or even your position why Iraq is justified by having a US national interest and Myanmar that does not.
You logic is flawed when you start measuring numbers of lives lost as OK and not OK. I asked for the measuring stick and you gave me an unusable answer.
Iraq
As a sidelight, this is certainly not true. FDR’s foreign policy goaded the Japanese into preemptive strikes throughout the Pacific in December 1941. The Pacific War began as it did as the result of dreadful miscalculations and near criminal negligence by the civil and military authorities. FDR, if not congress, was definitely spoiling for a fight in the Pacific, and in the Atlantic, an undeclared naval war with Germany had been ongoing for months.
I never weigh justifications to such an ill conceived criteria. My answer is sound. All human life is equal. Your logic is flawed since you do.
Are you familiar with the just war criteria? The number of dead is not relevant.
Then you have not been paying attention.
I make no justification for what the US administration was or was not doing before we declared war on Japan and then Germany and whether it was just or not. Yes, many wanted to enter the war before we were attacked, but many did not and they had won out before 12/7/41. Read their reasoning why. Regardless, simple fact is the President went to Congress and asked for a declaration of war to commit troops with a clear goal of victory, and he got it. Why was that not possible for Iraq? A congressman did propose a bill to declare war on Iraq as required by law. Rather than bring it to the floor for an up or down vote it was killed by congress for lack of support. Why?
No, it’s a perjorative term, pure and simple.
Because you won’t give straight answers to questions like, “What is a neocon?”
Actually, the term “amateur” is correct as used.
My, aren’t we snotty this morning!
Actually, I see you there more than I see myself or other debaters. I see something very close to the old Southern race-baiters – make up a list, and accuse others of matching this.
Weapons that could not be used against the US, Saddam was not alone then or now, and he was our ally in the war with Iran not long before he was our enemy. And the US national interest was???
And the US national interest is?Myanmar
Big storm hit
I don’r get the connection.
The title of this thread is “Forced Releif in Mayanmar.”
America has committed combat forces abroad over 200 times since the 1790s, and on only five instances was war formally declared; these undeclared wars include full dress invasions of Russia, Mexico, occupations of China, the Philippines and the Carib basin, not to mention Korea and Vietnam. So not only is there massive precedent, but all of these were done by the President acting within the grant of his constitutional authority.
No it is an ideology, but if the shoe fits.
Just becasue you lack comprehension is not my problem.
So is the word I used to describe you earlier. Arer you an expert in warfare or policy?
Do you agree with pre-emptive war, the American empire, a powerful federal government, against neutrality, the Patriot Act?
No, I wasn’t last night either. I just don’t care much for pompus ego’s that are hypocrites.
Tell me where you depart from them. You asked what a neocon is and that is my answer. Take it as an insult or not I don’t care, but I am describing the philosophy you endorse that is identified by the term neocon.
So the ends justify the means? If I break the law enough I make it ok by keep doing it? Why not amend the Constitution to take away the authority of Congress to declare war and give it to the President alone?
either the president and congress have been breaking the law since 1790 – or your interpretation of the constitution is wrong.
congress has tried to address problems in the perogatives of the executive and legislative branches by passing the war power act. you probably already know that voting appropriations for war funding is strictly a congressional power.
Tell me where you depart from Maoism?
That is my point. Congress has abdicated it’s Constitutional authority more times than not though there are times and circumstances when the President can act militarily without a formal declaration of war such as dealing with non nation state pirates raiding our commerce ships off the coast, and civil unrest or rebellion. Over the years the office of the President has been granted more and more autonomy to make such decisions and each President wants that authority and more.
The idea of Article 1 Section 8 was to make sure the People and specifically the House which is intended to represent the average American more closely than the Executive or Judicial branches of government because governments tend to take advantage of the average person when unrestrained. Our form of government was to be a representative government and for example if war is neccessary in Iraq- ask the People if they want war, if they feel it is worth the cost of lives and treasure. Congress has approval ratings well below the President and it is not surprising since they are not doing what they are supposed to do.
Tell me where I have espoused a Maoist philosophy like I have shown your neocon philosophy. Give the criteria of what a Maoist believes that I have identified with by what I have said like I have shown your neocon ideology.Tell me where you depart from Maoism?
I say you endorse that philosophy, and the burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise.
Stop asking questions not relevant to the topic like my military experience and I won’t answer them. I ask you questions on topic and you don’t answer them.