Forensic panel is blocked from Willingham case

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What mistake did the Governor make?

Peace

Tim
The problem is they’re looking at decades-old evidence and the best they could do is prove it is possible the fire was not arson. Again, the problem I have with this brouhaha is that I believe we should oppose all executions, not just those that partisans feel they can use for political purposes.
 
I think there’s enough blame to go around for several individuals and I’m not attacking anyone.

When one person is running for president, I think this type of thing in his or her past bears close examination.
So sad to see a mans death used to score political points.:mad:
 
So sad to see a mans death used to score political points.
It really is not being used for that. The Perry connection is only incidental and the media has been on this situation for years. But as to blame for junk science or hindering the investigation into the execution, let the chips fall where they may.
 
It really is not being used for that. The Perry connection is only incidental and the media has been on this situation for years. But as to blame for junk science or hindering the investigation into the execution, let the chips fall where they may.
It seems a bit disingenuous to claim the Perry’s action is only incidental when you are the one who injected him into the conversation

In fact in your very first post in this thread you said:
Wasn’t Rick Perry the guy who let the execution proceed?
As I noted before in this thread I have been deeply involved in the anti-capital punishment movement in Texas for over 25 years and him deeply, deeply resent people who hurt our cause by trying to use an execution to score cheap political points.
 
It seems a bit disingenuous to claim the Perry’s action is only incidental when you are the one who injected him into the conversation.
Not if I only made mentione of the coincidence and left it there.
As I noted before in this thread I have been deeply involved in the anti-capital punishment movement in Texas for over 25 years and him deeply, deeply resent people who hurt our cause by trying to use an execution to score cheap political points.
I could see how you resent people hurting your cause. However, when you have the governor of the most execution-happy state in the union trying to be president, the subject of the presidential wannabee’s history and background is bound to arise.
 
May our country be so blessed as to have a God fearing man at the helm.The current evil administration who’s Attorney General said"a hate crime cannot be committed against a white person because the have not suffered enough as a race yet"needs to go.
Read "The Roots of Obama’s Rage"by D’nesh D’Souza and be enlightened.
God save our country!
 
I could see how you resent people hurting your cause. However, when you have the governor of the most execution-happy state in the union trying to be president, the subject of the presidential wannabee’s history and background is bound to arise.
Funny how you didn’t feel that way about our current POTUS and Mssrs. Wright and Ayers.:rolleyes:
 
Just think: There was international press coverage about the execution of Cameron Todd Willingham long before Perry was considered a presidential possibility by anyone. So how is the continuation of the issue political posturing as to Perry?

Consider other individuals who faced the reflected glare of publicity in this light.
 
Not if I only made mentione of the coincidence and left it there.

I could see how you resent people hurting your cause. However, when you have the governor of the most execution-happy state in the union trying to be president, the subject of the presidential wannabee’s history and background is bound to arise.
. There is no tragedy so great that the Left will not try to use for political purposes.
 
So sad to see a mans death used to score political points.:mad:
That doesn’t seem to trouble some people one bit. It’s Perry’s fault that a man was executed even though Perry couldn’t stop it. Maybe if Willingham had tried as hard to save his children from the fire as he tried (and succeeded) to save his car none of this would have been an issue.
 
SamH;8220724} Maybe if Willingham had tried as hard to save his children from the fire as he tried (and succeeded) to save his car none of this would have been an issue. [/QUOTE said:
That’s a new low in “blame the victim.”
 
It really is not being used for that. The Perry connection is only incidental and the media has been on this situation for years. But as to blame for junk science or hindering the investigation into the execution, let the chips fall where they may.
What junk science? This is Texas we are talking about now right?
 
Please tell me, who was the victim?
There were four victims of that accidental fire – the three girls who died in the fire, and their father who was executed by the state on very bad “evidence.”
 
I think the arson investigation used junk science to convict Willingham. Such forensic tools have now been discredited.
As I noted to you before, the commission was not authorized to review the science. That is not the Governor’s spin, that is the understanding of those who would never be considered allies of the Governor.
Houston Chronicle:
Steve Saloom, policy director of the New York-based Innocence Project, whose formal complaint launched the investigation, said the ruling should not affect the commission’s investigation.
“The Willingham allegation has always been about the fire marshal’s continued failure - it continues to this day - to inform the criminal justice system that the analyses often used in Texas to determine arson were long ago proved invalid,” he said.

State Sen. Rodney Ellis, D-Houston, concurred, saying “nothing in this attorney general’s opinion prevents the Texas Forensic Science Commission from completing its report and ruling that the fire marshal was negligent when it failed in its duty to correct the flawed arson science that was used in numerous arson cases.”
In case you forgot, here is the article those quotes were taken from:

chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7675368.html

So this investigation isn’t about junk science and never was. It is about a fire marshall’s obligation to notify the courts that the method used in evaluating the scene were not valid. Why do you keep focussing on the science?

To suggest that the Governor is hindering the investigation can only be based on politics on your part. Again, even political opponents of the Governor agree with the ruling. How is that hindering the investigation?

Peace

Tim
 
As I noted to you before, the commission was not authorized to review the science. That is not the Governor’s spin, that is the understanding of those who would never be considered allies of the Governor.

In case you forgot, here is the article those quotes were taken from:

chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7675368.html

So this investigation isn’t about junk science and never was. It is about a fire marshall’s obligation to notify the courts that the method used in evaluating the scene were not valid. Why do you keep focussing on the science?

To suggest that the Governor is hindering the investigation can only be based on politics on your part. Again, even political opponents of the Governor agree with the ruling. How is that hindering the investigation?

Peace

Tim
As I said before the only time outside activists seem to care about people being executed in Texas is when they can use it to score political points. . We would much prefer that they join us in stopping the executions of all-both the guilty and not guilty( if they do exist). . Instead, they only show up when they feel they can use the death of a fellow human being to advance their political agenda. . Shame on them. I deplore them much more than those who in good conscience support the death penalty.
 
To suggest that the Governor is hindering the investigation can only be based on politics on your part. Again, even political opponents of the Governor agree with the ruling. How is that hindering the investigation?
The governor eviscerated investigating committee by finagling committee membership before it even got started. That’s hindering its work.

As to agreeing if the committee can examine past executions, that may or may not be its brief. But it is a fact that the governor has not fostered a penetrating look into the background of the execution, which many have shown to have been erroneous.

Let’s just give Willingham a pardon. That should make him happy.
 
The governor eviscerated investigating committee by finagling committee membership before it even got started. That’s hindering its work.
Your clear dislike of the governor is showing. You must be feeling threatened.😉

Apparently the organization that filed the complaint in the first place feels that the committee can do their job. How can that be if they were eviscerated?
As to agreeing if the committee can examine past executions, that may or may not be its brief. But it is a fact that the governor has not fostered a penetrating look into the background of the execution, which many have shown to have been erroneous.
Stick to the facts of the case, counselor. The panel has not been hampered in completing the investigation that they were formed to do. Surely you don’t want them to stray from their stated purpose, do you?

Peace

Tim
 
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