Foreplay when pregnant a sin if it doesn't go any further?

[nancy_dalrymple]

You sound very hostile.

The Catechism is available online for you to read at your own pace.

Here is the section on artificial insemination:

scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a6.htm#2376

2376 Techniques that entail the dissociation of husband and wife, by the intrusion of a person other than the couple (donation of sperm or ovum, surrogate uterus), are gravely immoral. These techniques (heterologous artificial insemination and fertilization) infringe the child’s right to be born of a father and mother known to him and bound to each other by marriage. They betray the spouses’ "right to become a father and a mother only through each other."167

2377 Techniques involving only the married couple (homologous artificial insemination and fertilization) are perhaps less reprehensible, yet remain morally unacceptable. They dissociate the sexual act from the procreative act. The act which brings the child into existence is no longer an act by which two persons give themselves to one another, but one that "entrusts the life and identity of the embryo into the power of doctors and biologists and establishes the domination of technology over the origin and destiny of the human person. Such a relationship of domination is in itself contrary to the dignity and equality that must be common to parents and children."168

"Under the moral aspect procreation is deprived of its proper perfection when it is not willed as the fruit of the conjugal act, that is to say, of the specific act of the spouses’ union . . . . Only respect for the link between the meanings of the conjugal act and respect for the unity of the human being make possible procreation in conformity with the dignity of the person."169

2378 A child is not something *owed *to one, but is a gift. The “supreme gift of marriage” is a human person. A child may not be considered a piece of property, an idea to which an alleged “right to a child” would lead. In this area, only the child possesses genuine rights: the right “to be the fruit of the specific act of the conjugal love of his parents,” and "the right to be respected as a person from the moment of his conception."170

I have found alot of people hre that sounded hostile to me but I think that is not realy the word i think we just dont undrstand each other and the wording is sometimes hard for me. All the laws you have o learn it is realy amazing realy for other churches only teach the ible, and they do teach that abortin is wrong but I ahve never herd the other things you all bring up. You would have to learn fom very young to realy grasp it all .or have a church that teaches differnt subjects one at a time so not to confuse surely there must be an order for all this? I was chalanged to work on a farm once because i was the city girl, I did l did learn alot in one day and i did do a good job thruogh pere pressure. i learnd about artificial insemination and i felt sorry for the bull because all he knew was a stimulation trick they do to get the seamen from the bull and the cow only can relate to the man that does the insemination, they don’t knw there opposit sex and i am so very against this, i feel it is so wrong to take something that should be natural and make it a control issue. i stopped going to the farm after that. then thay starte using a chemical to produce milk faster when the holstine is the hardest worker of milkers already. now the farmer gets more milk but the animal’s life expectincy is cut short. it’s like a drug there are alway’s side effects like abortion. you reap what you sow. I want to thank you for the information, OH I agree with alot but the only thing I have trouble with is believing that a man can understand all about life of men and woman and he is not married and has never been there to experience it. that right now in my walk is the hardest for me to understand. And a fw laws to. love of Christ Nancy

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

I have found alot of people hre that sounded hostile to me but I think that is not realy the word i think we just dont undrstand each other and the wording is sometimes hard for me. All the laws you have to learn it is realy amazing realy for other churches only teach the bible, and they do teach that abortin is wrong but I have never herd the other things you all bring up. You would have to learn fom very young to realy grasp it all .or have a church that teaches differnt subjects one at a time so not to confuse surely there must be an order for all this? I was chalanged to work on a farm once because i was the city girl, I did l did learn alot in one day and i did do a good job thruogh pere pressure. i learnd about artificial insemination and i felt sorry for the bull because all he knew was a stimulation trick they do to get the seamen from the bull and the cow only can relate to the man that does the insemination, they don’t know there opposit sex and i am so very against this, i feel it is so wrong to take something that should be natural and make it a control issue. i stopped going to the farm after that. then thay started using a chemical to produce milk faster when the holstine is the hardest worker of milkers already. now the farmer gets more milk but the animal’s life expectincy is cut short. it’s like a drug there are alway’s side effects like abortion. you reap what you sow. I want to thank you for the information, OH I agree with alot but the only thing I have trouble with is believing that a man can understand all about life of men and woman and he is not married and has never been there to experience it. that right now in my walk is the hardest for me to understand. And a few laws to. love of Christ Nancy

 

[Serap]

Allow me to explain why I began this thread.

I am a very shy woman and talking about these matters is HUGELY embarrassing for me and I am very thankful for this CAF website. I can remain anonymous.

I want to please God and I love God very much. I am thankful that the Holy Spirit has led me to CAF and I am able to ask questions of a sexual nature that otherwise, I would be too afraid to ask. I don’t feel comfortable approaching a priest about this, so this is a good avenue for me to learn more about my faith, whatever the subject may be. All subjects are equally as important when it comes to the betterment of our souls.

There are many threads about chastity on CAF and it’s a good thing. We can all come together and allow the Holy Spirit to teach us more about our faith.

Many married couples don’t realize that they are being called to a chaste life within marriage and I had no idea about many teachings until I came to CAF. If I have questions about chastity, I feel comfortable asking about them on CAF.

CAF has brought me closer to God and I praise the Holy Spirit for allowing this to happen.

 

[ComputerGeek25]

Allow me to explain why I began this thread.

I am a very shy woman and talking about these matters is HUGELY embarrassing for me and I am very thankful for this CAF website. I can remain anonymous.

I want to please God and I love God very much. I am thankful that the Holy Spirit has led me to CAF and I am able to ask questions of a sexual nature that otherwise, I would be too afraid to ask. I don’t feel comfortable approaching a priest about this, so this is a good avenue for me to learn more about my faith, whatever the subject may be. All subjects are equally as important when it comes to the betterment of our souls.

There are many threads about chastity on CAF and it’s a good thing. We can all come together and allow the Holy Spirit to teach us more about our faith.

Many married couples don’t realize that they are being called to a chaste life within marriage and I had no idea about many teachings until I came to CAF. If I have questions about chastity, I feel comfortable asking about them on CAF.

CAF has brought me closer to God and I praise the Holy Spirit for allowing this to happen.

That’s what we are here for

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

Allow me to explain why I began this thread.

I am a very shy woman and talking about these matters is HUGELY embarrassing for me and I am very thankful for this CAF website. I can remain anonymous.

I want to please God and I love God very much. I am thankful that the Holy Spirit has led me to CAF and I am able to ask questions of a sexual nature that otherwise, I would be too afraid to ask. I don’t feel comfortable approaching a priest about this, so this is a good avenue for me to learn more about my faith, whatever the subject may be. All subjects are equally as important when it comes to the betterment of our souls.

There are many threads about chastity on CAF and it’s a good thing. We can all come together and allow the Holy Spirit to teach us more about our faith.

Many married couples don’t realize that they are being called to a chaste life within marriage and I had no idea about many teachings until I came to CAF. If I have questions about chastity, I feel comfortable asking about them on CAF.

CAF has brought me closer to God and I praise the Holy Spirit for allowing this to happen.

That is all well and good for you, but i can’t live on the edge life is to short. Maybe the priest want you to experience what they go through I dont know but I do know i did not choose that perfession and what they do is their business so what we do should be ours because we should not live like them. God never said stustain from each other,ever and he gave on directions on how, he did however give it on gay’s and hurting children. Where do you think a man goes who does not get it at home? Why do you think their are so much sex scandels about priests and children? Put it all together. You talk about chasity, purity and children are all those things realy I think The church teachings in that subject are out of reality, and I also find you people live in fear ALOT God did not give us a SPIRIT OF FEAR. think about these things, and I will pray to God who is all knowledgable and all seeing WILL ENLIGHTEN ALL OF YOU, For we are
all sinners saved by grace, their is none that is perfect nor will we ever be until that wonderful day at the appearence of Christ then we shall all be changed, then and not any sooner.Stop living in fear, and listening to man, for we are all equal in Gods eyes . May the peace of God be with you now and forever in the precious name of Jesus I pray for you Blessings and not curses, AMEN! Love of Christ The Bishop of my soul Nancy

 

[nobeerinheaven]

It is somewhat shocking to me to see how much anti-Catholic thought ‘nancy dalrymple’ has been advocating, with very few defending the truths of the faith to her. I hope no Catholic becomes confused into believing the anti-Catholic positions she has taken, and I hope even more that several good and patient Catholics (perhaps those with more time than me and genuine love for the salvation of her soul) can explain the truth to her in a way that she will understand and appreciate.

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

It is somewhat shocking to me to see how much anti-Catholic thought ‘nancy dalrymple’ has been advocating, with very few defending the truths of the faith to her. I hope no Catholic becomes confused into believing the anti-Catholic positions she has taken, and I hope even more that several good and patient Catholics (perhaps those with more time than me and genuine love for the salvation of her soul) can explain the truth to her in a way that she will understand and appreciate.

If discussing things that are private and rated R seem to be the way of the catholic church then there is a big problem and I assure you it is not with me. What’s the diffrence of watching a rated R movie or talking about it?I seems to me you people are starving for love, and are told not to do it even when you are married. What What am I not understanding, dont worry about my salvation worry about your own. Now I just know someone will come down on me and not you for what i said. If you dont fit in your group and agree with all you say and cannot clone someone then they are going to hell? I guess that’s why there is a Misfits group here, no! i’m not alone you’d be surprized how many feel the same. And I am not being sarcastic I am only expressing the way you project to others. Hard core, scared, confused in what is faith and what is domination. I will listen if it has ti do with faith. I am not being biased, I am telling it how i see it.Some people dont even recognize when satan is using them. Your faith has not been tried, but your or mans doctrine has.I never in my wildest Dreams was taught to teach and talk about sex and all the things you people talk about like it was an every day thing. I am not being hateful I am confused. I was catholic and came back to learn about the FAITH not Porn.I always thought the bedroom was the approprate place to discuss these things. How old are we that we dont know anything? you dont hear the children talking about this like the grown ups do. It gives me a feeling of being in a candy store and having money but the guy behind the counter say’s No candy for you today, I say you cannot buy today. Does that make sence? That’s how I am reading it.

 

[nobeerinheaven]

If you dont fit in your group and agree with all you say and cannot clone someone then they are going to hell? … I am not being biased, I am telling it how i see it.

In giving your opinion “as you see it” and openly opposing the Catholic faith, you knowingly separate yourself from Christ as He has revealed Himself, through the institution He created to continue His ministry. You create for yourself a separate, rival institution founded upon the papacy of Nancy. Yet you have not been appointed with authority to proclaim the truth regarding faith and morals; likewise, your speaking against the truths of the faith undermines Christ’s action in establishing His Church. In essence what you have done is tell Christ that he made a mistake in appointing Peter and his successors - Christ should have instead picked you. For anyone who wants to spend eternity with Christ, it is a good idea not to make it sound as if you know better than He does. Of course, this is exactly what you do when you knowingly disagree and dissent from the Catholic faith, as it is found in the Catechism.

I was catholic and came back to learn about the FAITH not Porn.I always thought the bedroom was the approprate place to discuss these things. How old are we that we dont know anything? you dont hear the children talking about this like the grown ups do. It gives me a feeling of being in a candy store and having money but the guy behind the counter say’s No candy for you today, I say you cannot buy today. Does that make sence? That’s how I am reading it.

If reading about sexuality is an occasion of sin for you, then you should not involve yourself in it. An alcoholic, knowing his own weaknesses, chooses not to go to bars - not because bars are inherently sinful, but because he knows that going into them would be too much to handle. If reading about sexuality causes a similar titillation in you, one that causes you to come near to sins of impurity, then by all means do not read this thread. However, you should not be scandalized because the Church herself talks about sexuality in explaining to the faithful which behaviors are morally acceptable and which are not. I could give examples, but for fear you may be led to sin, I will not. Needless to say, it is quite obvious to both the Church and those who listen to her that some forms of sexuality - even within marriage - are morally depraved. I refrain from examples for your sake. And yet, some forms of sexuality are clearly acceptable (otherwise there would be no more children). The principles and the application of those principles are found exclusively in the Church, and many couples are eager to know what God desires of them and what offends God in the bedroom as well as everywhere else. If you already are aware of these principles, and reading more about them prompts you to sin, then you should not read this thread. If you are ignorant of what behavior is morally depraved, however (as many people in this culture are), then both the Church and this thread does you a service - as it happens, it does for you (and for others) a spiritual work of mercy in instructing the ignorant. I do not see why this seems so difficult for you to understand. You do, after all, desire to please your loving Father - and this desire to please Him does stop when you walk through your bedroom door.

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

nobeerinheaven, I wonder if God knows me as well as you do? And I wonder if he will be as judgemental as you just were? I would never stop believing in My Lord and My God for you or any church, for man or woman, not for anything, OK? Do not peg me, do not put me in a catagory with poeple you find discusting for if you do you might find i am not alone there.You realy know how you and a few others i have met her, You know how to tie people all up in knots, make them feel of less worth, remember what goes around comes around.You dont have to beat on people for them to hear you.To bad there isn’t going to be any beer in heaven, some people are going to need some. Thank You for making me feel louzy, have a nice day, I can say I came here to learn and I did. God Bless Nancy

 

[nobeerinheaven]

I would never stop believing in My Lord and My God for you or any church, for man or woman, not for anything, OK? Do not peg me, do not put me in a catagory with poeple…

I have not said anything about you other than point out to you the spiritual consequences of opposing Christ as He has revealed Himself, for He told His disciples: “Whoever listens to you listens to me. Whoever rejects you rejects me. And whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me” (Luke 10:16). Christ will be your judge, not me. And He will ask you if you listened to His appointed successors - the Pope and the Bishops. If your answer is “No” then Christ Himself has already told you what that means: In rejecting these, the apostolic successors, you reject Him. In rejecting Him, you reject the one who sent Him, the Father in heaven. Likewise, if you love Christ then you will love those whom He entrusts with His message, and you will not oppose them for you understand that Christ entrusted to them a wisdom superior to your own, a wisdom that does not come from mere mortals but from God.

When you openly oppose that wisdom, those around you should encourage you to reconsider your dangerous decisions - and at the same time pray for your conversion of heart to the truths God has revealed. You should not be surprised people care for you in this way, particularly on Catholic forums. We all want to see you - and everyone else - in heaven, but we know the path is narrow and few find it (Mt 7:13-14, Luke 13:23-24).

 

[Serap]

All due respects to everyone on this thread. I think it’s time for the Moderator to close this thread. It has turned into a Catholic bashing / Catholic defending thread and I did not intend for this.

Thanks to everyone, ComputerGeek, KageAR, Lifeisbeautiful, Baylee and anyone else who I’m forgetting, that helped me come to terms with this issue.

You guys are great!!! God bless each of you for your kindness and love.

Peace.

 

[distracted]

OK, since we have a choice, I have a question, here goes. You say that masterbation is wrong, right? OK, now when you make a baby you have a sperm that travels from point A to point B. now where do all the other sperms go? Dont they die?

sperm is not human life… until it penetrates the egg.

Distracted said Man can only put the sperm toghther with the egg, but without the egg their is no baby right? So how can it be a sin if they collect the sperm or they come out of a woman and die?

masturbation is a serious sin and that is the way sperm is collected to get test tube babies. Do you believe mastub is a sin?

A sperm is a sperm isn’t it? And how come all the woman on this forum sound like men? Love of Christ Nancy

they don’t. You just WANT them to be men beause you like men better… (or do i project?) .

or maybe you would like this answer better (as to why I myself sound like a man)

it’s because i kind of AM a man in a woman’s body…

and it think you can blame Jesus for that…

(very long story why i say this… not sure i want to “go there” … at least not right now… 'causse, well… Long story… )

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

sperm is not human life… until it penetrates the egg.

masturbation is a serious sin and that is the way sperm is collected to get test tube babies. Do you believe mastub is a sin?

they don’t. You just WANT them to be men beause you like men better… (or do i project?) .

or maybe you would like this answer better (as to why I myself sound like a man)

it’s because i kind of AM a man in a woman’s body…

and it think you can blame Jesus for that…

(very long story why i say this… not sure i want to “go there” … at least not right now… 'causse, well… Long story… )

Yes I believe masterbation is wrong I once read that it can make a man not care for a woman in the natural way and he will find it hard to make love with a woman because of it. Right? You are a man? It does not matter who answers my questions abut the woman here can be rough I noticed that. I guess I have been a pansy for to long. Do Catholic men like tought woman? Is being feminin not to good(NOT A FEMINIST) but you know. I think a man should open doors fro a woman, and take their arm walking accross the street and take her out and be proud of her.And rule the house but with love and not abuse and I have seen alot of abuse from Family members who were Cathoilc. I know not all are like that, they’d all be in jail.But yearsago they could get away with it. Why would you blame Jesus for you being a mn in a womans body? I have alot of faults but it is not the Lords fault it is mans. Jesus would never hurt me, he’s realy the only one I trust except a few people I met here. You are Loved Nancy

 

[distracted]

Yes I believe masterbation is wrong I once read that it can make a man not care for a woman in the natural way and he will find it hard to make love with a woman because of it.

i think so… but never been a man… just a human… I assume men are human ?

woman here can be rough I noticed that.

Me too!!!

Do Catholic men like tought woman?

Catholic men don’t seem to like any women… except possibly the Virgin Mary.

being feminin not to good(NOT A FEMINIST) but you know. I think a man should open doors fro a woman, and take their arm walking accross the street and take her out and be proud of her.And rule the house but with love and not abuse and I have seen alot of abuse from Family members who were Cathoilc.

this pretty much sums up what i feel also… although i don’t see more abuse in Catholic families than Protestant… but then, i don’t see much of anythign… don’t get out much… Too scary out there…

Why would you blame Jesus for you being a man in a womans body?

i should have said Thank, not /Blame… I just think that knowing Jesus has made me more… well… He has changed me… I cna’t really say exactly how… words seem so inadquate… No, i don’t “blame” Jesus for anything except loving me… but that, again, is not “blame-wrothy” but Thank-worthy… Sometimes i am just not very articulate…