Forget warming - beware the new ice age

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Lawrence Solomon, Financial Post

Published: Friday, June 15, 2007
In the 1970s, leading scientists claimed that the world was threatened by an era of global cooling.

Based on what we’ve learned this decade, says George Kukla, those scientists - and he was among them – had it right. The world is about to enter another Ice Age.

Dr. Kukla, in 1972 a member of the Czechoslovakian Academy of Sciences and a pioneer in the field of astronomical forcing, became a central figure in convincing the United States government to take the dangers of climate change seriously. In January of that year, he and another geologist, Robert Matthews of Brown University, convened what would become a historic conference of top European and American investigators in Providence, R.I. The working conference’s theme: “The Present Interglacial: How and When will it End?”

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“Dr. Kukla sees it – and the 1975 Newsweek article – differently. Although the magazine article indicated that the cooling trend would be continuous, scientists knew otherwise. “None of us expected uninterrupted continuation of the trend,” he states. Moreover, thanks to new evidence that Dr. Kukla only recently published, he now knows that global warming always precedes an ice age. That makes the current period of global warming a mere blip that constitutes additional indication of the ice age to come.”

Quick, pump more CO2 into the atmosphere!
 
Nope. Can’t be right.

That would mean that the UN’s IPCC computer models of global climate projections are worthless junk. THAT couldn’t be true. Everybody knows that computer models are always right… 😉
 
This guy is an obvious kook for disagreeing with a brilliant scientist like Al Gore.
 
I didn’t read the article, but instead of making a glib response, I’ll pull this out of my unsubstantiated/undocumented memory - I seem to recall that with the whole issue of the globe warming up, that with the melting of the ice sheets, etc. and something to do with the water currents changing due to this addition, that the major currents would stop, causing something, that would inevitably result in an ice age.
 
Dandelion_Wine said:
I didn’t read the article, but instead of making a glib response, I’ll pull this out of my unsubstantiated/undocumented memory - I seem to recall that with the whole issue of the globe warming up, that with the melting of the ice sheets, etc. and something to do with the water currents changing due to this addition, that the major currents would stop, causing something, that would inevitably result in an ice age.
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No, that was last week’s theory.😛
 
Dandelion_Wine said:
I didn’t read the article, but instead of making a glib response, I’ll pull this out of my unsubstantiated/undocumented memory - I seem to recall that with the whole issue of the globe warming up, that with the melting of the ice sheets, etc. and something to do with the water currents changing due to this addition, that the major currents would stop, causing something, that would inevitably result in an ice age.
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I have seen this too. I think the gist of is that large amounts of cold Arctic melt-water, would slid deep into the ocean between New Foundland and Greenland as well as Iceland and Northern Europe, interrupting the Gulf Stream. (Colder water is more dense so moves through the warm current on its way to the bottom of the ocean.)

The theory is based on the idea that the Gulf Stream is part of a single immense deep ocean currents that distribute heat around the Earth. greatly helps to reduce temperature extremes between the equator and the poles.

There also seems to be some hard evidence to support this based on how the Earth emerged from the last few ice ages. In the western USA, there was a huge lake of glacial melt-water that suddenly and catastropically released in just a couple of days. This is known as the Great Missoula Flood around 30 - 35,000 years ago. This glacial meltwater flowed across Washington state and carved out the modern Columbia River Gorge. When it got to the Pacific, it several dozen cubic miles of very cold water poured out the of the mouth of Columbia River and interuupted the Alaskan current along thw West Coast of North America. The result was a period of cooling that lead the a resurgence of the ice age. Each successive warming was slower.

It seems when there is rapid warming, the likelihood of such a sudden shift is high because of the higher incidence of catastrophic melting and sudden release. When the warming is slower, those things do not happen and when they do the effects are not as bad.
 
Quick, get your pictures of the mountains and plains while they last!
 
Don’t forget solar activity could decrease in order to cause a little ice age, a theory by some scientists.
 
Summary: Us puny humans have almost NO clue how the climate really works and what drives long-term cliamtes changes.

Honest scientists freely admit that what we don’t know about climate vastly outweighs what we do know. Science is still in the stage of learning what we don’t know. It’ll be a long road to where we have a real grasp on these mechanisms.
 
when I took college astronomy, geology and science in the 70s, the uniform warning was that the next ice age is imminent, so I guess, like other fads, this one, like GW, comes and goes with the fashions.
 
I went out and bought a .458 Winchester Magnum so as to be ready for the Mammoths when they come back – and they haven’t showed up yet!:o
 
has anybody else notice this or is it just me, there is a weird looking giant squirrel outside under the live oak tree and he looks like he is getting high on acorns, but he is acting really strange.
 
puzzleannie said:
has anybody else notice this or is it just me, there is a weird looking giant squirrel outside under the live oak tree and he looks like he is getting high on acorns, but he is acting really strange.
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Those kittens in that last litter did seem a little large to me, and they sure have some loooooong teeth.😛
 
I remember global cooling very well when I was in college. Remember Carl Sagan’s prediction during the Gulf War that all the smoke from the oil wells that Saddam set on fire would cause a type of “nuclear winter” Didn’t happen.
 
Jeffrey said:
Lawrence Solomon, Financial Post

Published: Friday, June 15, 2007
In the 1970s, leading scientists claimed that the world was threatened by an era of global cooling.

Based on what we’ve learned this decade, says George Kukla, those scientists - and he was among them – had it right. The world is about to enter another Ice Age.

Dr. Kukla, in 1972 a member of the Czechoslovakian Academy of Sciences and a pioneer in the field of astronomical forcing, became a central figure in convincing the United States government to take the dangers of climate change seriously. In January of that year, he and another geologist, Robert Matthews of Brown University, convened what would become a historic conference of top European and American investigators in Providence, R.I. The working conference’s theme: “The Present Interglacial: How and When will it End?”

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You know, back in the 70’s I took a Geology course, in the State of Washington. I was taught at the time, that we were still coming out of the last Ice Age. In modern words, “Global Warming” was a continued feature, from the last Ice age. But nobody was talking about Globaly taxing mankind for this trend. It was just the natural cycle of the earth. And yes, I was also taught, that the Ice age could feasibly return. It only takes enough snow in the Mountains to last through one summer to return to the Ice age. AT least that is what I was taught.

Now comes Al Gore, and he and the nutcases say Mankind is causing global warming. So what was mankind doing to cause this coming out of the Ice Age. Where we passing to much methane gas? Or maybe since mankind wasn’t to good at cooking back in those early days, maybe we burped to much Co2 out into the atmosphere?

What I am saying is that there has been a “Global Warming” trend since the last Ice age". This trending curve has been going on for at least 12 thousand years. Now all of a sudden Al Gore decides to blame us, at the bottom of the trend line. Sheeeessshh! How ridiculous.

What these Global Warming kooks will tellyou, is that if we go into an Ice Age, that it will be caused by mankinds donation to Global Warming. And if it doesn’t then Global Warming will cause more Global Warming.

Result: Global Warming will cause more Global Warming.
Global Warming will cause Global Cooling. Global Cooling will cause Global Warming. Global Cooling will cause more Global cooling.

So ya see, ya can’t win with Al Gore and the rest of the kooks.
Seems utterly preposterous to me.
 
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