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rcwitness
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Yes, sorry to distract.
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Yes, sorry to distract.
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KathleenGee
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Cube,
Thanks for sharing with us your background.
Do you know if you went to Mass every day for 3 years you would have witnessed the entire Bible? Do you know that the vast majority of teachings of Jesus Christ are based on Scripture? Get yourself a Catholic Catechism and likewise see the amount given to Mary.
The Catechism is the deposit of our faith in Christ.
The veneration to Mary is a practice of veneration by believers in Jesus who love Mary and know her witness.
Did you know it is Mary’s intercession that saved Europe from the invasion of the Turks, the Battle of Lepanto? You need to learn more about Mary’s intercession.
You say we focus too much on Mary? That is your projection. True devotion to Mary always is centered on focus of the Lord.
Yes, Africa is rife with devils and the force of nature there is also demonic. You go outside, eat something or step on something, and you could be dead in 3 days. You have African Catholics going to Mass and they still have amulets, packs of superstitious protection, or African Catholic teachers talking about the lion man who would through the village at night. Or how you can teach the natives to care better for themselves and they seem unable to learn and better their lives. Or the Catholic priests who warned the natives to move away from the river because the Caborra Dam was about to release flood waters, and they would not listen and all of them and their families died. Or you teach them to boil their water, but they say no, they do not drink their water with frogs in it. Or an African is given blood to stir to use for transfusions as many have sickle cell anemia, some thinking it is the antidote to malaria, and then the aid puts his finger in the pot while stirring it and contaminates the whole lot…this recently. I could go on and on because I lived in the Zambezi Valley in the mid 70’s and we noted alot of demonic bondage on the people. The priest told me the biggest miracle is how people could survive there and could partially explain their resistance to change.
What turned you away from Catholicism was the lack of deliverance ministry from what I can glean.
Every diocese has an exorcist. The bishop assigns one. A priest can be with his people and when he experiences something strange, he writes a report and gives it to the bishop. The bishop then sends his exorcist with the priest to return to expell the demons. The Capuchin who was in a different mission was elderly, been there in the tropics for some time. A lay man was with him and he told me the priest actually saw balls of fire go out of huts when he performed exorcisms. But most priests are not involved with them.
Here in the USA I attended a meeting about a deacon who works in San Francisco now in deliverance ministry. In America, he said there are now 700,000 Americans who are satanists, including former Catholic priests. And about 180,000 a year are joining. I live in a city where there is alot of occult actiivity.
And so many years ago this person joined my Mary group. I picked up on this person later and then the person turned totally against me, calumniated me, and put some powerful thing on me. Later when I encountered her I picked up that she was into witchcraft. How I know, I can only say it is the Holy Spirit. She had me expelled. She turned my spiritual director against me. She got away with so many things…and you hear of that…abusive people in the church and in spite of so many complaints, they continue.
So I went to the archdiocesan exorcist and he discerned I had power of goathorns put on me and my family cursed. For real. He helped me only so much. A number of years later, my former spiritual director returned and we had healed our relationship. A man needed help here in town wondering who else had a problem with her. He said she was destroying his reputation and his career. I finally contacted him…he told me police were called to her home because the townspeople thought she was sacrificing animals.
When they got there they could do nothing, because she was killing domestic animals, – goats. At this meeting with this deacon this past year, the meeting brought out that the symbol of Satan used by these practitioners is the goat. It confirmed for me totally what I had experienced. The priests came to my home to give it a exorcism level blessing, every room in the house and it also healed remaining residue of this experience going back to the 1990’s! I am now back in church ministry after much spiritual and psychological abuse.
If you didn’t know, Mary is very powerful against the devil. She crushes his proud head as he attacks her heel, – us, the Marian Catholics.
You should do a read on Mary of Guadalupe, the history of her and how, when her statue was finally placed for the second and final time in the room where human sacrifice took place, and – how a great ball of lightning rolled up and went out of the temple.
I think what you experienced in the Church was rationalism, you were focusing on your people’s ills, and not realizing Scripture was being said at every Mass. You were not hearing the Word of God. I think that the devil is powerful these days as an interloper.
Interloping is where you are hearing the truth, and how the Evil One can come in and block the message or turn it into something else. It happens all the time to alot of people.
God bless!
Thanks for sharing with us your background.
Do you know if you went to Mass every day for 3 years you would have witnessed the entire Bible? Do you know that the vast majority of teachings of Jesus Christ are based on Scripture? Get yourself a Catholic Catechism and likewise see the amount given to Mary.
The Catechism is the deposit of our faith in Christ.
The veneration to Mary is a practice of veneration by believers in Jesus who love Mary and know her witness.
Did you know it is Mary’s intercession that saved Europe from the invasion of the Turks, the Battle of Lepanto? You need to learn more about Mary’s intercession.
You say we focus too much on Mary? That is your projection. True devotion to Mary always is centered on focus of the Lord.
Yes, Africa is rife with devils and the force of nature there is also demonic. You go outside, eat something or step on something, and you could be dead in 3 days. You have African Catholics going to Mass and they still have amulets, packs of superstitious protection, or African Catholic teachers talking about the lion man who would through the village at night. Or how you can teach the natives to care better for themselves and they seem unable to learn and better their lives. Or the Catholic priests who warned the natives to move away from the river because the Caborra Dam was about to release flood waters, and they would not listen and all of them and their families died. Or you teach them to boil their water, but they say no, they do not drink their water with frogs in it. Or an African is given blood to stir to use for transfusions as many have sickle cell anemia, some thinking it is the antidote to malaria, and then the aid puts his finger in the pot while stirring it and contaminates the whole lot…this recently. I could go on and on because I lived in the Zambezi Valley in the mid 70’s and we noted alot of demonic bondage on the people. The priest told me the biggest miracle is how people could survive there and could partially explain their resistance to change.
What turned you away from Catholicism was the lack of deliverance ministry from what I can glean.
Every diocese has an exorcist. The bishop assigns one. A priest can be with his people and when he experiences something strange, he writes a report and gives it to the bishop. The bishop then sends his exorcist with the priest to return to expell the demons. The Capuchin who was in a different mission was elderly, been there in the tropics for some time. A lay man was with him and he told me the priest actually saw balls of fire go out of huts when he performed exorcisms. But most priests are not involved with them.
Here in the USA I attended a meeting about a deacon who works in San Francisco now in deliverance ministry. In America, he said there are now 700,000 Americans who are satanists, including former Catholic priests. And about 180,000 a year are joining. I live in a city where there is alot of occult actiivity.
And so many years ago this person joined my Mary group. I picked up on this person later and then the person turned totally against me, calumniated me, and put some powerful thing on me. Later when I encountered her I picked up that she was into witchcraft. How I know, I can only say it is the Holy Spirit. She had me expelled. She turned my spiritual director against me. She got away with so many things…and you hear of that…abusive people in the church and in spite of so many complaints, they continue.
So I went to the archdiocesan exorcist and he discerned I had power of goathorns put on me and my family cursed. For real. He helped me only so much. A number of years later, my former spiritual director returned and we had healed our relationship. A man needed help here in town wondering who else had a problem with her. He said she was destroying his reputation and his career. I finally contacted him…he told me police were called to her home because the townspeople thought she was sacrificing animals.
When they got there they could do nothing, because she was killing domestic animals, – goats. At this meeting with this deacon this past year, the meeting brought out that the symbol of Satan used by these practitioners is the goat. It confirmed for me totally what I had experienced. The priests came to my home to give it a exorcism level blessing, every room in the house and it also healed remaining residue of this experience going back to the 1990’s! I am now back in church ministry after much spiritual and psychological abuse.
If you didn’t know, Mary is very powerful against the devil. She crushes his proud head as he attacks her heel, – us, the Marian Catholics.
You should do a read on Mary of Guadalupe, the history of her and how, when her statue was finally placed for the second and final time in the room where human sacrifice took place, and – how a great ball of lightning rolled up and went out of the temple.
I think what you experienced in the Church was rationalism, you were focusing on your people’s ills, and not realizing Scripture was being said at every Mass. You were not hearing the Word of God. I think that the devil is powerful these days as an interloper.
Interloping is where you are hearing the truth, and how the Evil One can come in and block the message or turn it into something else. It happens all the time to alot of people.
God bless!
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KathleenGee
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I have to add there is this priest from Africa who is now in the Pacific NW.
He worked with the refugees of Dafur for 10 years. In time he saw them making no progress. So after discerning, he could see they were victims of generational bondage and sin. So he got hold of Fr Hampsch’s teachings on healing of the family tree and expounded on it.
Mary has a great place in deliverance of the Evil One, along with St. Michael the Archangel.
Anyway, American bishops are now installing more exorcists and priests becoming educated in identify and dealing with all sorts of issues now among people.
What you are seeing was rationalism, one of the errors coming out of false understanding of Vatican II. Alot of being renewed now. I am sure if you look, you will come to a Catholic priest who can address your concerns.
He worked with the refugees of Dafur for 10 years. In time he saw them making no progress. So after discerning, he could see they were victims of generational bondage and sin. So he got hold of Fr Hampsch’s teachings on healing of the family tree and expounded on it.
Mary has a great place in deliverance of the Evil One, along with St. Michael the Archangel.
Anyway, American bishops are now installing more exorcists and priests becoming educated in identify and dealing with all sorts of issues now among people.
What you are seeing was rationalism, one of the errors coming out of false understanding of Vatican II. Alot of being renewed now. I am sure if you look, you will come to a Catholic priest who can address your concerns.
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Dorothy
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Kathleen, I can’t help but add that more than one priest that I heard speak that was in deliverance ministry pointed out that the evil one and his demons HATE Mary more than they hate Jesus because they know who Jesus is - GOD! Our Blessed Mother Mary they hate even more because she is a mere creature and is so full of grace, and that is terrifying to them.
It is so terrifying and makes them so angry that Mary, a creature like us (though highly privileged) was given more grace than what they all had before the fall of the angels. Priests in exorcism ministries are very aware of this.
It is so terrifying and makes them so angry that Mary, a creature like us (though highly privileged) was given more grace than what they all had before the fall of the angels. Priests in exorcism ministries are very aware of this.
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adf417
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And did/do you believe in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist?
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PJM
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That my Friend is too OUR hope. BUT that’s where it begins and ends at present. WHY?I saw part of a docudrama (on EWTN) about Padre Pio. I’m now seeking more knowledge on him. From the little I saw, he was without a doubt Born Again. One problem I have is my eyes, so I can’t read much. Before even 1 page, the lines tend to jump around. I hope to see an eye Doc this month. Therefore, I’m looking for videos on Padre Pio. Anyone know of any?
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To adf417**, if you can get your TV service through Verizon, EWTN and Telecare should come with it. And I mean the most basic and inexpensive package they have. I got it quite accidentally after the Sandy storm. But then again there’s no accidents with God.
Because there is only One True God
God can ONLY have One set of faith beliefs
Just as Yahweh had One Chosen People [God does not change]
; Christ followed his own tradition by choosing to establish only One Church; today’s Catholic Church which is both historically and bionically provable.
If you’d care to have me do that, please let me know.
Just One is God’s desire; BUT ON HIS TERMS and conditions:thumbsup:
God Bless you,
Patrick
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KathleenGee
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Dorothy,
As St. Michael said, ‘Who is like unto God!’ St. Michael is the main adversary to Lucifer.
God cannot stoop down to fight someone He created. He would win by simply making an act of will Satan would no longer be.
God wills that Mary and her humble heel with their prayers of the rosary, chain Him and she being woman, Mary particularly humiliating Satan in ways St Michael cannot do.
I have attended 3 deaths of serious sinners, and witnessed the Blessed Mother deliver them from the devil and bring them to Jesus and His mercy.
As St. Michael said, ‘Who is like unto God!’ St. Michael is the main adversary to Lucifer.
God cannot stoop down to fight someone He created. He would win by simply making an act of will Satan would no longer be.
God wills that Mary and her humble heel with their prayers of the rosary, chain Him and she being woman, Mary particularly humiliating Satan in ways St Michael cannot do.
I have attended 3 deaths of serious sinners, and witnessed the Blessed Mother deliver them from the devil and bring them to Jesus and His mercy.
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Dorothy
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The sharings are countless of those our Mother has been a part of… Her soul MAGNIFIES the Lord, as is written in scripture. Thanks be to her Son, who made her His masterpiece, for our sake.
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EvangelCatholic
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Is the parish LCMS?
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KathleenGee
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I am sorry, Evangel…not clear to me.
Once a month they have more traditional music which my client prefers; I rather like it as well. Nice people.
I will always remember the Catholic Lutheran lady recalling the bowing at the Incarnation during the recitation of the Nicene Creed…we visited again this past weekend. Everything is cool and they all know I am Catholic and there is peace among us.
Once a month they have more traditional music which my client prefers; I rather like it as well. Nice people.
I will always remember the Catholic Lutheran lady recalling the bowing at the Incarnation during the recitation of the Nicene Creed…we visited again this past weekend. Everything is cool and they all know I am Catholic and there is peace among us.
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EvangelCatholic
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The LCMS allows the word 'Catholic" to be replaced with “Chistian” in the Apostles and Nicene creeds.
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Cube2
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To my understanding today, YES! to that time’s understanding NO!
Let me explain; in Catholic there are many objects and people that are honored and venerated. One will never even differentiate whether its worship or not.
These include bowing as you approach the altar, kneeling with the right leg to the tabernacle in the church; saying a prayer to Mary, to the Saints and to Angels.
- We did a procession of 5 Kms carrying the statue of Mary reciting the rosary.
- We recited the rosary while kneeling facing a statue of Mary
- Where there are shrines, there is usually a statue of Mary; people bow and do the sign of the cross when they approach it.
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Cube2
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Cube2;12068330:
During those years I was in Catholic I had many experiences which I’ll not share on this post. However, I should point out that Catholics should do more in reading the Word by themselves and even having bible study discussions. This was lacking, and what would be read during Mass would be forgotten soon after.
The Family tradition even to these days is praying together and very little of reading the Word.
Absolutely!Cube2;12068330:
Fair enough! I understand, because these other Christians were Communing in the Written Word of God, while your family was coming together rather superficially. Your friends, and your desire to open your hearts to the Scriptures is more commendable.I don’t blame my parents for not showing us how to read the bible; it was the norm. Sometimes the study of the Word is suppressed leaving only the superficial reading.
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adf417
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Fair enough but if your understanding can change once before, is it possible it could change back?
Sense you have left out any reference to the Eucharist in the Holy Mass, I would like to ask if you did/do believe in the real presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist?
Yes you have and I appreciate it.
Peace!!!
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Cube2
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NO, because there is a big difference between now and then.
I know the Catholic doctrine teaches that there is real presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist.
My view is based on the bible and the history of the doctrine. According to the Bible, Jesus instituted the Lord’s table as a church practice in His remembrance. He ate the bread and drunk the wine symbolically as his body and blood. The apostles including Mary the mother of Jesus met daily and broke bread together in remembrance of Jesus.
Apostle Paul also taught about the Lord’s table to the churches. A record is in the letter to Corinthians. His teaching is not that Jesus is present in the Eucharist.
On the link: blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/transub.htm
According to the church history, prior to the Council of Nicene (325 AD ), and shortly there after, the belief of transubstantiation was totally unknown. There is no written record describing or acknowledging the existence of this doctrine.
Transubstantiation as a term, was apparently first used by the archbishop of Tours, Hildebert of Lavardin (1056 - 1133 AD ). The doctrine was authoritatively declared to be the faith of the church at a council held in Rome under Pope Gregory VII in 1079, and again in the Fourth Lateran Council. In 1215 AD, at the Fourth Lateran Council under Pope Innocent III, the doctrine of transubstantiation was reaffirmed as an article of faith, or creed to be believed in without question.
This is where the differences start to emerge. This teaching was adopted by the Catholic Church after a millennium. There doesn’t seem to have been a big dispute of believe to declare it a dogma.
If we review the teaching from the time of Jesus, the apostles first ate the bread and drunk the wine while with Jesus literally. Jesus also ate the bread and drunk the wine. If he was in it, then he ate his own body and drunk his own blood. His mother Mary, would not have taken it kindly to be eating his son every day.
It is not biblical to eat God/Jesus as taught in the doctrine of transubstantiation. The Holy Spirit indwells in us as it was on the day of Pentecost, and as per the new covenant.
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rcwitness
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So, because you did not open your bible at home as a family, you were unable to open your heart to the Bible being read at Mass, therefore you didn’t believe in Jesus until you read the Bible at home?
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SyroMalankara
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rcwitness;12068626:
Sometimes what is presented as ‘studying the Word’ is just opinions of individuals being given an undue elevated place. As with any proper Study, a Study of the Word requires a learned guide, who has demonstrated such academically and in this particular Study, in praxis.Absolutely!
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KathleenGee
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Cube,
Get hold of a Catholic Catechism and read the Prologue, as it explains to you how we approach Scripture, not in fragmented parts, not as text, but as the Living Word of God lived out in Salvation History.
Again, there is a difference between doctrine – system of beliefs and practice, and the life lived out in the Church as the communion of saints.
Statues were brought in when Christianity was finally legalized by Emperor Constantine when he signed the Edict of Milan. However, contrary to American evangelical spin, Constantine was not a Christian, baptized only before his death.
When Christianity was legalized, over a million pagans joined the church and brought in statues and genuflection.
But I think the practice of genuflecting before the altar is most proper because it is the altar of Christ that fulfills the ancient sacrifices. It is the altar where Mass is celebrated, where earth and heaven connect…every day.
As I stated, perhaps my posts too long, you can go to Mass every day for 3 years and have covered the entire Scripture.
The foundation of Catholic faith is based not on the Bible but on the testimony of the apostles who witnessed Christ being chosen by Him, who they themselves admit in Acts that they were chosen before they were born for the time chosen by Christ.
The same can be said for Mary, not just for her mission, her constitution especially created by God to be Christ’s mother, and for the time she came into the world.
Besides the Prologue of the Catechism that shows you we are not people of the book but people of God in Salvation History, you will find in Church history that the Church was essentially set up in all its basic form around the year 100 AD. The books of Scripture, the liturgy as the model of worship instituted by Christ at the Last Supper, the episcopal hierarchy, and the foundation of the Creed in the recitation of the baptismal rites and proclamation at Mass not to lie, steal or commit adultery.
Mary was always greatly venerated by the Church and reason dictates to us she most definitely shared Christ and her life with Him with the apostles.
So you cannot find the truth of Christ all in the books of Scripture (which were assembled by the Church, the Septuagint interpretation that foresaw the Messiah, the LXX version, that is called the Lord’s Scripture and was used by the Apostles and St. Paul).
You must also find the truth of Jesus in how the Church believed and practiced faith in Christ through the Tradition of faith lived out, verified by the saints, successors of the apostles, and ancient teachers. In these documents, you will find devotion to Mary. In the ancient tombs underneath Rome where the dead were buried, in the Catechism you will see the first painting of Mary with Baby Jesus painted on the wall. It is the earliest art form of Mary of the Church.
As our local theologian stated, Catholicism and I use the name as the universal Christian Church was called when it became legal from the Greek, Catholicism is all about ‘context, context, context.’
Get hold of a Catholic Catechism and read the Prologue, as it explains to you how we approach Scripture, not in fragmented parts, not as text, but as the Living Word of God lived out in Salvation History.
Again, there is a difference between doctrine – system of beliefs and practice, and the life lived out in the Church as the communion of saints.
Statues were brought in when Christianity was finally legalized by Emperor Constantine when he signed the Edict of Milan. However, contrary to American evangelical spin, Constantine was not a Christian, baptized only before his death.
When Christianity was legalized, over a million pagans joined the church and brought in statues and genuflection.
But I think the practice of genuflecting before the altar is most proper because it is the altar of Christ that fulfills the ancient sacrifices. It is the altar where Mass is celebrated, where earth and heaven connect…every day.
As I stated, perhaps my posts too long, you can go to Mass every day for 3 years and have covered the entire Scripture.
The foundation of Catholic faith is based not on the Bible but on the testimony of the apostles who witnessed Christ being chosen by Him, who they themselves admit in Acts that they were chosen before they were born for the time chosen by Christ.
The same can be said for Mary, not just for her mission, her constitution especially created by God to be Christ’s mother, and for the time she came into the world.
Besides the Prologue of the Catechism that shows you we are not people of the book but people of God in Salvation History, you will find in Church history that the Church was essentially set up in all its basic form around the year 100 AD. The books of Scripture, the liturgy as the model of worship instituted by Christ at the Last Supper, the episcopal hierarchy, and the foundation of the Creed in the recitation of the baptismal rites and proclamation at Mass not to lie, steal or commit adultery.
Mary was always greatly venerated by the Church and reason dictates to us she most definitely shared Christ and her life with Him with the apostles.
So you cannot find the truth of Christ all in the books of Scripture (which were assembled by the Church, the Septuagint interpretation that foresaw the Messiah, the LXX version, that is called the Lord’s Scripture and was used by the Apostles and St. Paul).
You must also find the truth of Jesus in how the Church believed and practiced faith in Christ through the Tradition of faith lived out, verified by the saints, successors of the apostles, and ancient teachers. In these documents, you will find devotion to Mary. In the ancient tombs underneath Rome where the dead were buried, in the Catechism you will see the first painting of Mary with Baby Jesus painted on the wall. It is the earliest art form of Mary of the Church.
As our local theologian stated, Catholicism and I use the name as the universal Christian Church was called when it became legal from the Greek, Catholicism is all about ‘context, context, context.’
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KathleenGee
Guest
Hi Evangel Catholic,
They use the word, ‘Christian’, not Catholic…although when I was first attended I thought I saw the word, ‘catholic’ with a small ‘c’.
We see the liturgy readings on a screen projected up front where we can read and sing without booklets.
When the minister found out I was Catholic, he said something to describe them in how they think (vs us), and I had no response. I liked his preaching last Sunday and told him so.
They use the word, ‘Christian’, not Catholic…although when I was first attended I thought I saw the word, ‘catholic’ with a small ‘c’.
We see the liturgy readings on a screen projected up front where we can read and sing without booklets.
When the minister found out I was Catholic, he said something to describe them in how they think (vs us), and I had no response. I liked his preaching last Sunday and told him so.
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adf417
Guest
I know, its your understanding. But if it was wrong once why cant it be wrong again?
I understand your belief today and your justification for it, flawed as it may be, but did you believe in the real presence back in the day when your understanding was “you were not worshiping Mary”? I assume “yes” sense, as you say, this is what the church teaches.
Peace!!!
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