Former Catholics victims of Separation Anxiety?

[qui_est_ce]

I noticed that as well. This has always been a common view of Ex-Catholics. The anger of the Catholic Church is there. Why else would they come here? To convert us and hope to make us Protestants…

I don’t that will happen. I think half of the members here are Ex-Protestants.

You are probably right, from what I’ve seen.

Do you think that when the Protestants have “won one” they use them for anti-catholic rhetoric?

My cousins and aunt all converted from Lutheran to Catholic. They still love their Lutheran prayers (most), hymns (most, except for the papist ones), ubringing. They just feel fuller in the Catholic Church. I have never heard them say anything against their former denomination.

 

[uglygal]

I have noticed that while Protestant converts to the Catholic faith are grateful to their Protestant backgrounds in their faith journey, Catholics who leave the Church seem to be filled with hate for their former Church.

Is this a failure on the part of the Catholic Church’s catechesis or is it lies about the teachings of the Catholic Church to those who have been poorly catechized in their Catholic faith?

Please tell your story.

Yes, this separation anxiety is very real and one that had paralyzed me for many, too many, years.

I understand that people differ and what is applicable to one is not applicable to the other, but the church’s reputation of being self-righteous, hypocritical and judgmental exists for a reason and it is not people’s imaginations (though people with an anti-catholic agenda may fan the flames a little)

In my experience the church does not care for its members much. Attention is focused on the clergy but the laity are a convenient mass of faceless, nameless bodies who are presumed to just always be there and fill the collection plates. I think individuals rebel against this, especially when the definition of “compassion” to some catholics is to tell a person “if you leave you will go to hell”, “you must not be praying enough that is why God has cursed you”, or they do the big-mouth preaching stunt and do not move a finger to lift their neighbors burden.

Whether you like it or not, catholic individuals are the face of the church. If a person has a very hurtful experience with a catholic individual, that hurt will be blamed and viewed as a work of the church.
Many people who leave for protestant churches do so for the company, more than theological reasons. And ultimately, what use is a beautiful theology when a soul can find no compassion within it.
Thats my 2c

 

[peary]

You are probably right, from what I’ve seen.

Do you think that when the Protestants have “won one” they use them for anti-catholic rhetoric?

My cousins and aunt all converted from Lutheran to Catholic. They still love their Lutheran prayers (most), hymns (most, except for the papist ones), ubringing. They just feel fuller in the Catholic Church. I have never heard them say anything against their former denomination.

What the heck is a PAPIST HYMN? I’ve been a Catholic over fifty years and have NEVER HEARD of one of these!

 

[mercygate]

What the heck is a PAPIST HYMN? I’ve been a Catholic over fifty years and have NEVER HEARD of one of these!

Pange lingua
Tantum ergo
Ave Verum Corpus
Faith of our Fathers

LOTS of Papist hymns!

 

[peary]

Pange lingua
Tantum ergo
Ave Verum Corpus
Faith of our Fathers

LOTS of Papist hymns!

You are going to have to educate me on how these are papist hymns. And Faith of Our Fathers?

Text: Frederick W. Faber, 1814-1863
Music: Henri F. Hemy, 1818-1888; adapt. by James G. Walton, 1821-1905

Faber was Anglican; Hemy was…Anglican; Walton was…Anglican.

Tantum Ergo…“Let us, therefore, with heads bowed…” (Eucharist)

Ave Verum Corpus…“Hail, true body…” (Eucharist)

Eucharist hymns have nothing to do with the papacy.

So much for your papist theories on hymns

 

[mercygate]

You are going to have to educate me on how these are papist hymns. And Faith of Our Fathers?

Text: Frederick W. Faber, 1814-1863
Music: Henri F. Hemy, 1818-1888; adapt. by James G. Walton, 1821-1905

Faber was Anglican; Hemy was…Anglican; Walton was…Anglican.

Tantum Ergo…“Let us, therefore, with heads bowed…” (Eucharist)

Ave Verum Corpus…“Hail, true body…” (Eucharist)

Eucharist hymns have nothing to do with the papacy.

So much for your papist theories on hymns

Perhaps one of us misunderstood.

The Eucharistic hymns celebrate the Blessed Sacrament: the Catholic Blessed Sacrament. The "Tantum ergo" and the “O Salutaris” were written by Thomas Aquinas at the request of the Pope for the institiution of the feast of Corpus Christi. Aquinas, being Catholic, wastherefore a “Papist”.

“Faith of our Fathers” was written after Faber converted to the Catholic Church in 1846.

 

[FCEGM]

Pange lingua
Tantum ergo
Ave Verum Corpus
Faith of our Fathers

LOTS of Papist hymns!

For the most “papist” hymn of all - which my Confirmation class sang in 1957:

Long live the Pope!
His praises sound
Again and yet again:
His rule is over space and time:
His throne the heart of men:
All hail! The Shepherd Pope of Rome,
The theme of loving song:
Let all the earth his glory sing
And heav’n the strain prolong.

Beleaguered by
the foes of earth,
Beset by hosts of hell,
He guards the loyal flock of Christ,
A watchful sentinel:
And yet, amid the din and strife,
The clash of mace and sword,
He bears alone the Shepherd Staff,
The champion of the Lord.

His signet is the Fisherman’s
No sceptre does he bear
In meek and lowly majesty
He rules from Peter’s chair
And yet from every tribe and tongue
From every clime and zone
Three hundred million voices sing
The glory of his throne

Then raise the chant,
With heart and voice,
In Church & school & home:
“Long live the Shepherd of the Flock!
Long live the Pope of Rome!”
Almighty Father bless his work,
Protect him in his ways,
Receive his prayer, fulfill his hopes,
And grant him length of days!

mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=79968 (music)

Now, I rather doubt that THAT was composed by an Anglican.

Wouldn’t it be grand to sing it in our churches today! :harp:

 

[peary]

Perhaps one of us misunderstood.

The Eucharistic hymns celebrate the Blessed Sacrament: the Catholic Blessed Sacrament. The "Tantum ergo" and the “O Salutaris” were written by Thomas Aquinas at the request of the Pope for the institiution of the feast of Corpus Christi. Aquinas, being Catholic, wastherefore a “Papist”.

“Faith of our Fathers” was written after Faber converted to the Catholic Church in 1846.

Your point? “Faith of Our Fathers” was written by Faber to remind Catholic congregations of their many leaders who were martyred during the reign of Henry VIII in the early days of the establishment of the Anglican Church in Great Britain.

A “papist hymn” is a hymn about the papacy. There are no such hymns except in small protestant minds. At least, they think there are such hymns. As for being a ‘papist,’ the Chair of Peter has existed for over 2,000 years…much longer than anything protestantism has ever offered. The shepherd of the early Church was Peter, who was the head of the apostles. Scripture plainly reveals that. You need to read your bible more often.

 

[qui_est_ce]

A “papist hymn” is a hymn about the papacy. There are no such hymns except in small protestant minds. At least, they think there are such hymns. As for being a ‘papist,’ the Chair of Peter has existed for over 2,000 years…much longer than anything protestantism has ever offered. The shepherd of the early Church was Peter, who was the head of the apostles. Scripture plainly reveals that. You need to read your bible more often.

What I meant was there are some Lutheran hymns that decry the “Papists” a derogatory name for Catholics. I love how you all turned it around to a positive!