Former Catholics...

[rev_kevin]

God sees if in our heart we’re repentant or not. If we die before Confession, we can still go to Heaven if we meant to go to Confession as soon as we can; in other words, if we were repentant and asked for mercy. Also, not every sin is a mortal sin… if we simply make a mistake, without meaning to, that doesn’t cut us off from grace, it however does weaken grace in our souls. Mortal sin cuts us off from grace, but Confession is the way back.

to answer your question, I repent right away and say an act of contrition. If it’s a mortal sin, I also go to Confession for it.

God bless.

So there is different kind of sin?
Sin is sin its all the same to God. I don’t think he said if you sin this kind of sin its worse than that kind of sin. If I’m wrong please show me in the bible were this sin is worse that that sin.
What is a mortal sin?
Isn’t all sin a mistake, a mistake that we listened to Satan and sined in the first place?
God sees if in our hearts we’re repentant or not. If you die before confession you can still go to heaven, if we “meant” to go to confession. So in otherwords if I “meant” to go to confession but never got around to it because things happen I’ll still go to heaven? Is there a timeline on this “meant?” Were in the Bible is this?
Were in the Bible is mortal sin?
Not trying to sound rude but I don’t understand this.

 

[rev_kevin]

Well I do believe in purgatory which leads to purification of any residual sins upon death (as God is infinitely merciful) which leads to Heaven.

“For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man’s work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.” 1 Corinthians 3:11-15

Ok I was talking about Jesus preparing a place for us. And the first sentance you have here says just what I said. I said nothing about man building on this foundation. Were do you see that in my statement?
Purgatory is between here and heaven right?
Were does it say that in the Bible?
Just wondering

 

[cheese_sdc]

Why did you leave the Church? I am curious because I often hear of people that have a bad experience occur in the Church OR in their personal lives then they either get much closer to the Church or they turn away.

What is your story?

I left the church about a year and half ago, at the age of 34. I was raised Catholic, was an altar server, helped train altar servers in middle school. In high school I was part of a youth ministry team in the Church and after high school attended seminary with the intention of being a diocesan priest. After four years, I left seminary.

I then taught religion in a Catholic school, met a nice girl, married in the Church, taught CCD, and played guitar in the choir for almost 10 years.

As I got older, I finally started to understand that I just didn’t understand Divinity in the same way as the Church. I never understood the idea of a “personal Savior” and Jesus was never my friend. The dude is dead and I never met him. How can I know him personally?

Finally, I could only honestly say the first line in the creed, “I believe in God.” Once that happened, I stopped going.

About 6 months ago I considered returning, but then the bishops issued the document about Reiki, which pretty much slammed the door on my. I’m reiki attuned, and it has been a great source of good in my life. If the Church doesn’t want that part of me, then it doesn’t want me.

 

[josie_L]

Ok I was talking about Jesus preparing a place for us. And the first sentance you have here says just what I said. I said nothing about man building on this foundation. Were do you see that in my statement?
Purgatory is between here and heaven right?
Were does it say that in the Bible?
Just wondering

Where does it say “sola scriptura” in the bible? I’m curious rev kevin but you do believe in the trinity correct? And betting that you do believe in the trinity, do you believe that Jesus had one nature or two, and of those two natures was he fully both, and if he was fully both, did he have two wills? And if you answered yes to this, then where is that in the bible?

p.s. I never said purgatory is in between Heaven and Earth but I do believe purgatory exists just like sheol/prison of spirits existed apart from Heaven and Hell.

 

[josie_L]

I left the church about a year and half ago, at the age of 34. I was raised Catholic, was an altar server, helped train altar servers in middle school. In high school I was part of a youth ministry team in the Church and after high school attended seminary with the intention of being a diocesan priest. After four years, I left seminary.

I then taught religion in a Catholic school, met a nice girl, married in the Church, taught CCD, and played guitar in the choir for almost 10 years.

As I got older, I finally started to understand that I just didn’t understand Divinity in the same way as the Church. I never understood the idea of a “personal Savior” and Jesus was never my friend. The dude is dead and I never met him. How can I know him personally?

Finally, I could only honestly say the first line in the creed, “I believe in God.” Once that happened, I stopped going.

About 6 months ago I considered returning, but then the bishops issued the document about Reiki, which pretty much slammed the door on my. I’m reiki attuned, and it has been a great source of good in my life. If the Church doesn’t want that part of me, then it doesn’t want me.

What exactly is reiki (I’m only aware of the music)? And why is that such a big deal compared to Christ?

 

[Filioque]

I left the church at the age of 17 when I got out of high school.(I graduated a year early) I have not attended any church for around 25 years. I went to catholic grade school and I hated it. I was smacked in the face, hit with a ruler, put in a closit, had my ears pulled on, watched other kids get punishment by pulling down their pants and hitting them with a paddle (all this was done by nuns for 8 years in school). I did go to to siminary school for one year but was also hit, and treated badly so I left. I haven’t been to a catholic church until 2000 when I moved back home and put my 5 year old son in the same school (thinking times have changed and things would be different) he was treated about the same. He had to go to the restroom and they wouldn’t let him so he wet his pants. I took him out of the school right a way. I have not abeen to a catholic church since.
If that is how they treat children I didn’t want any part of it. I was invited to got to church by a family I met and I loved it. They showed me love and kindness, they gave me hope, they understand and don’t judge you, you really come as you are, they accept everyone, since I been going to a baptist church I have became a minister (non-dom because I preach at nursing homes to all religions) I teach sunday school to 6th graders, I am very involved with my church. I feel at home. I like the openess of the church, its not the same ol’ thing week after week (I can still repeat word for word the whole catholic mass) that how repetative it is to me. It had nothing to do with God, your beliefs (although I don’t agree with some ot your teachings it was not a factor). It was bad schooling, the same ol’ same ol’ in the church services. I just found a way to worship God and praise him that suits me and isn’t that what its all about just praising and worshiping God not what religion you are its all about God, your love for him.

It sounds like any public school or Baptist school at the same timeframe. To equate the general culture of the time as Catholic is quite silly. About the only group I know of that did not include corporal punishment of children would be Buddhists and Quakers. So based on the arguments you made against the Catholic School system, I guess I’ll have to re-evaluate the unchanged teachings of Jesus taught by the Catholic Church, and become either Buddhist or Quaker.

 

[cheese_sdc]

What exactly is reiki (I’m only aware of the music)?

Reiki is an energetic healing technique in which a person channels divine energy to another person for the purpose of physical/mental/spiritual well being.

And why is that such a big deal compared to Christ?

The bishops found that the practice of reiki is incompatible with orthodox Christianity because of various reasons. I disagree, mainly because I think the bishop’s conclusions were drawn from poor sources.

 

[Filioque]

So there is different kind of sin?
Sin is sin its all the same to God. I don’t think he said if you sin this kind of sin its worse than that kind of sin. If I’m wrong please show me in the bible were this sin is worse that that sin.
What is a mortal sin?
Isn’t all sin a mistake, a mistake that we listened to Satan and sined in the first place?
God sees if in our hearts we’re repentant or not. If you die before confession you can still go to heaven, if we “meant” to go to confession. So in otherwords if I “meant” to go to confession but never got around to it because things happen I’ll still go to heaven? Is there a timeline on this “meant?” Were in the Bible is this?
Were in the Bible is mortal sin?
Not trying to sound rude but I don’t understand this.

1 John 5:16. Why does the Scripture distinguish between Sins that do not lead to death, and Sins that lead to death. I await the gymnastic preformance.

 

[Filioque]

Thank you. This was back in the 60’s and like I said in my post, I thought things might have changed, after all its been about 30 plus years ago.

I don’t believe in telling a priest your sins, thats between you and God only.
I don’t believe in praying to anybody eles but God or Jesus.
I don’t believe a priest should be able tell you who your childs godparent can be.
Thats all I’m going to say on this because I have been ripped apart on other sites for the same thing. I do understand the catholic religion and have nothing against it and the way they do things but its not for me. I do believe in God, I just praise him in a different way then the catholics do. Is that so wrong, at least I do that instead of not believing in him at all. If I’m wrong about religion or the way I worship him thats up to God to judge me, not man.

You will be in my prayers. I’ll ask our Lady to join me in petitioning the Throne of God for you. It seems a bit schizophrenic to make statements like. “I do understand the catholic (sic) religion and have nothing against it and the way they do things, but its not for me…” when other posts defame the Catholic Church as teaching errors. Which one is it? Why post messages that attempt to disprove the Catholic Faith, if it’s just another way of “doing things”?

 

[josie_L]

Reiki is an energetic healing technique in which a person channels divine energy to another person for the purpose of physical/mental/spiritual well being.

The bishops found that the practice of reiki is incompatible with orthodox Christianity because of various reasons. I disagree, mainly because I think the bishop’s conclusions were drawn from poor sources.

Well I’m sorry to say (although I like their music) but the bishop’s are right - channeling divine energy sounds like something akin to new age/paganism. And I hardly think you are channeling “divine” energy, And I don’t mean to be rude but it’s not necessary fo you to channel such energy when you have the grace of God working within you through faith. There is no other but the Holy Trinity and anything else is inferior to Him (no matter what good you think you get from it). God bless cheese_sdc…

 

[Sellers1]

Why did you leave the Church? I am curious because I often hear of people that have a bad experience occur in the Church OR in their personal lives then they either get much closer to the Church or they turn away.

What is your story?

I left after three and a half decades because I realized that I was dead oin the Spirit and that I had a longing to be nourished by him and to know who Jesus is and it was not going to happen in the RCC.

 

[josie_L]

Ok I was talking about Jesus preparing a place for us. And the first sentance you have here says just what I said. I said nothing about man building on this foundation. Were do you see that in my statement?
Purgatory is between here and heaven right?
Were does it say that in the Bible?
Just wondering

The scripture I quoted is refering to purgatory, that is why a man even though his works are burned can be saved by the fires (purgatory purifies the soul through fire of any remaining sin) and then receive his reward - Heaven.

 

[rev_kevin]

Well I do believe in purgatory which leads to purification of any residual sins upon death (as God is infinitely merciful) which leads to Heaven.

“For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man’s work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.” 1 Corinthians 3:11-15

ok I got it thank yhou

 

[cheese_sdc]

And I don’t mean to be rude

Then don’t. :lol:

but it’s not necessary fo you to channel such energy when you have the grace of God working within you through faith. There is no other but the Holy Trinity and anything else is inferior to Him (no matter what good you think you get from it). God bless cheese_sdc…

I disagree, obviously. What if this energy is there b/c Divinity incorporate such things into creation for us to use? I quite agree with you that energy is inferior to Divinity. But that doesn’t make it evil or wrong.

 

[rev_kevin]

It sounds like any public school or Baptist school at the same timeframe. To equate the general culture of the time as Catholic is quite silly. About the only group I know of that did not include corporal punishment of children would be Buddhists and Quakers. So based on the arguments you made against the Catholic School system, I guess I’ll have to re-evaluate the unchanged teachings of Jesus taught by the Catholic Church, and become either Buddhist or Quaker.

Excuse me.Please do not make lite of this. Were you there? Let me telll you one thing,I will never and I mean never say such a thing if it were not true. You didn’t have your ear yanked by a nun saying aaaaa while she was doing it I DID. You weren’t put in a closit for not knowing the right answer I WAS. You did not have your hand smacked because you were left handed I DID. You didn’t go to the principals office and watch a kid get his pants pulled down infront of 4 other kids and get paddled with a paddle by the principal I DID, You didn’t get smacked in the face for not doing what the teacher said to do I DID. So don’t tell me that its silly. This happened to me at Holy Family School in Indiana. If it were not true why would I give you the name of the school and the state? I did not know nothing about public or Baptist schools at that time, catholic school is all I knew, if it happened to them I was not aware of it, I was just a kid age 4-13.

 

[rev_kevin]

You will be in my prayers. I’ll ask our Lady to join me in petitioning the Throne of God for you. It seems a bit schizophrenic to make statements like. “I do understand the catholic (sic) religion and have nothing against it and the way they do things, but its not for me…” when other posts defame the Catholic Church as teaching errors. Which one is it? Why post messages that attempt to disprove the Catholic Faith, if it’s just another way of “doing things”?

I’m not disprove the catholic church. Didn’t you ever understand somethng and have nothing against it or the way its done but it wasn’t for you, its not your thing. One way to learn is to ask questions about something,correct. Is this attempt to disprove or defame the catholic have to do with the school experiance I had? If telling the truth is trying to to disprove or defame the catholic church the you can’t handle the truth and are in denial because it did happen,

 

[Filioque]

Excuse me.Please do not make lite of this. Were you there? Let me telll you one thing,I will never and I mean never say such a thing if it were not true. You didn’t have your ear yanked by a nun saying aaaaa while she was doing it I DID. You weren’t put in a closit for not knowing the right answer I WAS. You did not have your hand smacked because you were left handed I DID. You didn’t go to the principals office and watch a kid get his pants pulled down infront of 4 other kids and get paddled with a paddle by the principal I DID, You didn’t get smacked in the face for not doing what the teacher said to do I DID. So don’t tell me that its silly. This happened to me at Holy Family School in Indiana. If it were not true why would I give you the name of the school and the state? I did not know nothing about public or Baptist schools at that time, catholic school is all I knew, if it happened to them I was not aware of it, I was just a kid age 4-13.

I think it is you that cannot see clearly what I wrote. I never denied what you said was not true. Re-reading my posting without the acrimony you have for the Catholic Church, you will see that it ain’t a Catholic thing, as you claim. I can remember when corporal punishment was banned in schools (Public and Private) throughout the USA, some States banned it earlier than others. All the assaults you make against the good Sisters, (Nuns live in a cloister) and the Catholic Church are simply a poor excuse for leaving the Church. It is really hard to understand why you really left the Church, as your postings contradict each other, but the reality is it was not just Catholic Schools who used corporal punishment. Nope I did not mention what I or others went through in Grade School, because you either deal with the way things were then, or you make it an excuse for your anger and misery.

Your silliness is not based on any corporal punishment that you had, but your misrepresenting it as being a Catholic thing. I was paddled by my grandparents and parents in front of other children on the block and I was raised a Jew. I went to Public Schools, and to Schools on Military Bases when my father was stationed oversees, and the paddle, as well as public corporal punishment was inflicted by people who’s religion I never knew. The silliness of your posting is not that you were punished, but that you use it as a reason for rejecting the Catholic Church. So if you are going to attack the Catholic Church, do so honestly, not because of something that anyone who grew up in the same era shared in public or parochial schools. You admit you are ignorant of what happened in other schools, do a little internet search of corporal punishment in U.S. Schools. But don’t be dishonest and use what happened everywhere to prejudice you into an attack one group.

 

[rev_kevin]

1 John 5:16. Why does the Scripture distinguish between Sins that do not lead to death, and Sins that lead to death. I await the gymnastic preformance.

Don’t answer a question with a question just answer it or can’t you? You await the gymnastic preformance, good one but I don’t have to resort to stupid comments like that I’m a better person than that and have more respect than that. Paul wrote that some christians took communion in an unworthy manner 1 Chor 11:27-30, Ananias and Sapphira were struck dead when they lied to God Acts 5:1-11. Blasphamy against the Holy Spirit results in spiritual death of the person who turns against Christ Heb. 6:4-6.
John was probably referring to the people who had left the christian fellowship and joined the antichrist. By rejecting the only way of salvation, these people were putting themselves out of reach of prayer. However in most cases if we knew waht the terrible sin is we woild have no sure way of knowing whether a certain person had committed it.This verse differs widly in the thoughts about what this sin that leads to death is and whether the death it causes is physical or spiritual.
So what is mortal sin?

 

[Filioque]

I’m not disprove the catholic church. Didn’t you ever understand somethng and have nothing against it or the way its done but it wasn’t for you, its not your thing. One way to learn is to ask questions about something,correct. Is this attempt to disprove or defame the catholic have to do with the school experiance I had? If telling the truth is trying to to disprove or defame the catholic church the you can’t handle the truth and are in denial because it did happen,

I’m sorry, and this is not an attack, but your grammer and syntax don’t reveal a Catholic education. So I’ll try and reply to the posting above.

A review of your postings reveals someone who is all over the map when it comes to your purpose here. One posting attacks Purgatory and the authority of a priest to absolve sins. Both which are Biblical. Then we get, I have nothing against the Catholic Church I just do things differently. Next we see you telling us that you left the Catholic Church because “Nuns” are mean and pattled you, and your kid peed his pants. Now you are in a Church where everyone loves each other. How could anyone be in a Church where the :“Nuns” are mean, and paddle someone in the Principles office? If you cannot see why there is confustion over why you come to the forum, or my difficulty in understanding what apprear as major contraditictions in where you stand, illuminate me. I’d be willing to read something that is consistant, and thought through.

 

[josie_L]

Then don’t. :lol:

I disagree, obviously. What if this energy is there b/c Divinity incorporate such things into creation for us to use? I quite agree with you that energy is inferior to Divinity. But that doesn’t make it evil or wrong.

But what if that inferior energy is coming from an evil source and it is leading you away from divine truth?

p.s. God did not inject his divinity/essence in creation except to those who chose Christ and received the Holy Spirit. What you believe is a form of pantheism.