Former Mormons, How Do You Pray?

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rmcmullan said:
As some posters have pointed out, there are set prayers for all the Mormon ordinances and the sacrament and many of the spontaneous prayers fit into a comfortable template with oft used phrases intermingled. So the LDS and I assume Protestant way of praying is not 100% spontaneous. But it seems as what everyone is saying is that the Catholic way of praying isn’t 100% rote either?
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rmcmullan said:
Let’s go back to the original topic. From what I’ve read, a lot of you pray from the heart and some of you stick to the memorized prayers and some of you do both. But I was not taught that way and I like the Mormon way. But I like the Catholic way too.
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Is there a difference between the Catholic way and the Mormon way?
 
Stephen168 said:
Is there a difference between the Catholic way and the Mormon way?
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The Mormon way is based on a formulaic framework, requirements that Mormons see need to be in a prayer in order for it to work. (That’s what the Lord’s Prayer is for, to teach you the formula.) Keep your prayers in the framework, keep your list of things that Mormons are told to do to be “worthy” checked off, and your prayers will be answered.

If I ever heard in my life a Catholic teach anything like this about prayer, you’d have to subdue me with a tranquilizer. 😛
 
rmcmullan said:
No, I am not both, I am Mormon. Remember what I said about the BoM? At any rate, the original topic has almost been abandoned so I guess it’s time to also abandon this thread. But thanks, RebeccaJ and the others who commented.
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So, you are saying you cannot, or will not defend or clarify your statement?

That isn’t how conversation works, you realize that right?

You made a statement that needs clarified. You’ve been asked multiple times (by me) for that clarification, but you refuse.

Now all of a sudden you want to change the subject, and ultimately abandon the thread.

Do you realize that you have fulfilled just about every possible mormon sterotype there is?

You’re at a point where you cannot defend mormonism, or the book of mormon. You know it’s false. You just need a gentle kick in the pants to come back home to the Catholic Church, and that is what we are doing.

Do more research(real research) into the book of mormon, and then truly pray and see if you get that same burning in the bosum. I’m betting you’ll get the burning desire to come home to the Catholic Church.

After all, you’re 95% there already.

Things to think about with the book of mormon.
  1. Thousands of changes. Many doctrinal.
  2. Head in the hat translation.
  3. "Witnesses seeing the plates with their “spiritual” eyes, and not their own eyes.
  4. Why no physical artifacts of such great peoples.
  5. Why hasn’t the location been found?
  6. The failed DNA connection.
These are just a few of the things you should study, and then tell us the book is real, or even spiritual, let alone divine.
 
twopekinguys said:
  1. "Witnesses seeing the plates with their “spiritual” eyes, and not their own eyes.
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And these witnesses didn’t even write their own “testimony”.
Royal Skousen:
On the other hand, the eight-witness statement was written by a human participant – probably Joseph Smith, in my opinion – who drew upon the language of the three-witness statement (especially the opening words) but used his own language to describe the experience of the eight witnesses: what the plates looked liked (their “appearance”), plus how these witnesses “hefted” the plates and “did handle with our hands” the leaves
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Royal Skousen:
The earliest copy of the testimony that follows is found in the printer’s manuscript of the Book of Mormon, in the handwriting of Oliver Cowdery. Cowdery likely was the author of the statement, given his writing abilities and similarities between the document and Cowdery’s 1829 correspondence to Joseph Smith and Hyrum Smith.
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hey rmcmullan, there is a reason why his name is what it is, Josephs Myth. The sooner you do some research with an open mind and heart, the sooner your soul will be saved. I was once a mormon like many others here and we all researched ourselves out of mormonism. Quit hanging on to lies friend.
 
twopekinguys said:
So, you are saying you cannot, or will not defend or clarify your statement?

That isn’t how conversation works, you realize that right?

You made a statement that needs clarified. You’ve been asked multiple times (by me) for that clarification, but you refuse.

Now all of a sudden you want to change the subject, and ultimately abandon the thread.

Do you realize that you have fulfilled just about every possible mormon sterotype there is?

You’re at a point where you cannot defend mormonism, or the book of mormon. You know it’s false. You just need a gentle kick in the pants to come back home to the Catholic Church, and that is what we are doing.

Do more research(real research) into the book of mormon, and then truly pray and see if you get that same burning in the bosum. I’m betting you’ll get the burning desire to come home to the Catholic Church.

After all, you’re 95% there already.

Things to think about with the book of mormon.
  1. Thousands of changes. Many doctrinal.
  2. Head in the hat translation.
  3. "Witnesses seeing the plates with their “spiritual” eyes, and not their own eyes.
  4. Why no physical artifacts of such great peoples.
  5. Why hasn’t the location been found?
  6. The failed DNA connection.
These are just a few of the things you should study, and then tell us the book is real, or even spiritual, let alone divine.
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Tried that. He can’t answer.

I could never again put that much stock in a book as a historical and doctrinal book that has that many problems.
 
rmcmullan said:
It depends on what you think your motivation for prayer is, an observance and an act of obedience or a communication. On this, I personally sit on the fence and think they’re both.
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St Teresa of Jesus (Avila)
“Prayer is an encounter (a friendly conversation) with the one you know loves you.”

Going back to your original inquiry, I think your understanding of Catholic prayer has been poorly informed, whether it’s you were just taught wrong, or you misunderstood what you were taught.

God Bless
 
rmcmullan said:
No, I am not both, I am Mormon. Remember what I said about the BoM? At any rate, the original topic has almost been abandoned so I guess it’s time to also abandon this thread. But thanks, RebeccaJ and the others who commented.
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Hey rmcmullan,

I see you have been online since this post.

How about coming back and answering some of the questions that have been posed to you?
 
rmcmullan said:
I believe that every church has their own way of doing things. Some are essential to their beliefs, others are just the way the founders liked it. Thing like the form of prayer are secondary to its importance and the form of baptism is maybe not so important as being baptized. I wouldn’t leave the Mormon church if they decided to baptize infants and have confirmation at the age of reason. They don’t do it that way and they have their reasons but I think God will grant us some latitude.

One thing for a Mormon though is the Book of Mormon and I couldn’t become a Catholic again unless the pope embraced it and I don’t see that happening.
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You were a Catholic and became Mormon?

You gave up the Eucharist? Wow, blows my mind.
 
Miriam1947 said:
You were a Catholic and became Mormon?

You gave up the Eucharist? Wow, blows my mind.
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Yes, yes I did. Another way of saying it is that I now enjoy the (Mormon) Sacrament instead of the (Catholic) Eucharist.
 
rmcmullan said:
Yes, yes I did. Another way of saying it is that I now enjoy the (Mormon) Sacrament instead of the (Catholic) Eucharist.
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Can I ask the approx. age you were when you left Catholicism and became Mormon?
 
rmcmullan said:
Yes, yes I did. Another way of saying it is that I now enjoy the (Mormon) Sacrament instead of the (Catholic) Eucharist.
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I see. You enjoy bread and water instead of what Jesus said to use.

You know, I find a lot of similarity between the LDS Church and prison…mostly with the psychological ways they control you…

it is not lost on me that the LDS Church uses bread and water…and that is the classic prison food…bread and water.
 
rmcmullan said:
Yes, yes I did. Another way of saying it is that I now enjoy the (Mormon) Sacrament instead of the (Catholic) Eucharist.
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You seem very happy and confident to have done so. I just hope you really don’t know what you are talking about. Denying Jesus Christ like this, since you knew the thruth is not a good idea.😦
 
Guilou67 said:
You seem very happy and confident to have done so. I just hope you really don’t know what you are talking about. Denying Jesus Christ like this, since you knew the thruth is not a good idea.😦
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Have to be careful there. We dont really know what s/he knew or didnt know. We dont know how well-formed in the faith they were or were not. 🙂
 
Guilou67 said:
That is a possibility. My apology.
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Yea, a big one. I have a family member who went k-12 in Catholic schools and knew so very little about the faith.

It was stunning, and sad, to discover just how badly a lot of Catholic catechesis can be, or has been.

We dont know the quality of the education s/he got, regardless if they went to “Catholic schools”

Going to Catholic schools doesnt garentee a quality Catholic education. S/he may be the product of a poor Catholic education. 🤷
 
What do you expect? He won’t even define what he means by the Pope “embracing” the BoM. 🤷
 
Boy are there some strong ex-Mormons on this site. Great resources for current Mormons.

The OP absolutely lays in some incorrect Catholic teaching in order to phrase a question that doesn’t make any sense in order to define for himself (one of?) his purposes in leaving the Church.

Now that his poor Catechesis at a young age is known, he might desire to learn true Catholic teaching on the subjects of which he objects. Hopefully he is doing plenty of reading.

I would like to ask the OP if he grew up saying ‘God bless you’ to someone who sneezes?
 
Marie5890 said:
Yea, a big one. I have a family member who went k-12 in Catholic schools and knew so very little about the faith.

It was stunning, and sad, to discover just how badly a lot of Catholic catechesis can be, or has been.

We dont know the quality of the education s/he got, regardless if they went to “Catholic schools”

Going to Catholic schools doesnt garentee a quality Catholic education. S/he may be the product of a poor Catholic education. 🤷
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My brother-in-law has three children. The first two went to Catholic schools and the third they sent to public high school. The one that attended public school knows more about Catholic teaching than the other two. So I’m not impressed when someone tries to prove their knowledge by saying they went to 12 years of Catholic school.
 
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