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RyanBlack said:
RCIA is not required for the Orthodox. Furthermore, if someone who is Orthodox is being received through one of the Eastern Catholic Churches, the don’t use RCIA.
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In Russia, where I am from, ALL former Orthodox pass through the RCIA. 😃

The Orthodox are admitted to sacraments before passing the RCIA only in life threatening situations.
 
SyroMalankara said:
Confession and the recitation of the Profession sans filioque

A Coptic Orthodox received via the Ukrainian or any other Catholic Church is a Coptic Catholic unless both the Coptic Catholic bishop releases and Ukrainian Catholic bishop receives him. Attending, even regularly, requires no change of particular church
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In the Archdiocese of Moscow all the former Orthodox recite the profession WITH filioque.

I should note that while 99,9% of those joining apply for the Rite change, we technically made the profession BEFORE we were officially granted the change of Rite.
 
JurisPrudens said:
In Russia, where I am from, ALL former Orthodox pass through the RCIA. 😃

The Orthodox are admitted to sacraments before passing the RCIA only in life threatening situations.
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That may be local practice in the Archdiocese of Moscow, but it is not required, and it is certainly not universal. Nothing is required other than a profession of faith.
 
RyanBlack said:
That may be local practice in the Archdiocese of Moscow, but it is not required, and it is certainly not universal. Nothing is required other than a profession of faith.
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As far as I understand, this was established by the bishops’ conference.
 
JurisPrudens said:
As far as I understand, this was established by the bishops’ conference.
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I guess that you mean the Latin Catholic bishop’s conference in Russia, yes? If so, that’s a decision that affects only that particular Church locally. Other particular Churches, like the Eastern Catholic Churches, are not bound by it.

Pax Christi
 
Peter_J said:
Before the list of proposals gets any longer (based on my experience with Internet discussion forums, I could really seeing it growing to eight or ten) let me say that it’s up to our hierarchs to decide that, not people like us posting on a thread.

But it seems the bigger question is, based on what you’ve said, Are you thinking there’s a possibility that they “received” you into the Catholic Church without your knowledge? 😦
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No I understood my desire to come into communion with Rome. I still do. I am visiting the Coptic Catholic Church in a couple of weeks and will see how it goes. However, the Coptic Catholic I met himself admitted that unfortunately latinizations are a problem in the Coptic Catholic Church, so I will have to see how it goes.

The other issue is there isn’t a Coptic Catholic bishop outside of Egypt. As I was a convert to Coptic orthodoxy and am a westerner, that further complicates the issue.
 
I will also state that if I had been required to say the Filioque I would have refused to say it. Luckily, most Greek Catholics do not use it.
 
Augustine said:
I guess that you mean the Latin Catholic bishop’s conference in Russia, yes? If so, that’s a decision that affects only that particular Church locally. Other particular Churches, like the Eastern Catholic Churches, are not bound by it.

Pax Christi
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In Russia all the local Eastern Catholic structures are headed by the Latin bishops. Eastern Catholics have no separate prelates.
 
JurisPrudens said:
In Russia all the local Eastern Catholic structures are headed by the Latin bishops. Eastern Catholics have no separate prelates.
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That’s sad. But is it that they just administer the other Churches, since each has its own canonical laws?

Pax Christi
 
Augustine said:
That’s sad. But is it that they just administer the other Churches, since each has its own canonical laws?

Pax Christi
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Of course,mthey have their own canons.

During the RCIA, the process of the chpice of the Rite was taken seriously, with both a Latin and a Byzantine priest invited to tell about their traditions. However, that is still just a formality, asRussian Grec Catholic Church exists largely symbolically. Politics: the Vatican does not want to anger the ROC. 😃 The Byzantines in Russia still don’t have their own exarch, although they are supposed to by Canon law.
 
JurisPrudens said:
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Of course,mthey have their own canons.

During the RCIA, the process of the chpice of the Rite was taken seriously, with both a Latin and a Byzantine priest invited to tell about their traditions. However, that is still just a formality, asRussian Grec Catholic Church exists largely symbolically. Politics: the Vatican does not want to anger the ROC. 😃 The Byzantines in Russia still don’t have their own exarch, although they are supposed to by Canon law.
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Are these atheists being converted, or Orthodox? If the latter, I believe there is an explicit law forbidding clergy to coerce to change Ritual Churches, that is an violation of Canons.
 
coptsoldier said:
the Coptic Catholic I met himself admitted that unfortunately latinizations are a problem in the Coptic Catholic Church, so I will have to see how it goes.
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Even with the testimony of that Coptic Catholic, I wouldn’t let myself be convinced. Speaking about latinizations is easy, especially in this forum. If you have some parish accessible, I would pop in regularly for liturgies and compare it with the proper order to see the differences. This page gives two Coptic parishes in Sydney. Anyway, I’ve always believed in our Spanish maxim: “People understand each other by talking things over”; problems in liturgy are nothing that couldn’t be exposed to the parish priest for him to fix them.
 
SyroMalankara said:
Are these atheists being converted, or Orthodox? If the latter, I believe there is an explicit law forbidding clergy to coerce to change Ritual Churches, that is an violation of Canons.
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These are baptized (usually as Orthodox) persons being converted. We all were required to provide baptismal certificates. The un-baptized people have an elongated year-and-a-half RCIA course, with the first half-year dedicated to the very, very basics of the faith.

As far as I remember, our priest explained this on the ground that most people baptized as Orthodox in Russia do not practice. And this is true. That’s why, even if we identified ourselves as Orthodox before, most of us were unaware of the many tenets of the faith. Which is why we were supposed to learn about it.

More than that, the ROC, as far as I know, does not have a well-organized system of the catechization for the adults. There are sunday schools for the kids, and that’s where it usually ends. Which fact necessitates RCIA course even further.
 
SyroMalankara said:
Are these atheists being converted, or Orthodox? If the latter, I believe there is an explicit law forbidding clergy to coerce to change Ritual Churches, that is an violation of Canons.
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Another thing: we WERE NOT COERCED to change the Rite. We were presented a choice. As I told You, two priests from different rites are invited.

Nevertheless, 99,9% of the converts apply for the Rite change. Because their way to the Catholic Church started in the latin cathedral. And also because of pure convenience and availability of parishes and services.
 
AXO said:
Even with the testimony of that Coptic Catholic, I wouldn’t let myself be convinced. Speaking about latinizations is easy, especially in this forum. If you have some parish accessible, I would pop in regularly for liturgies and compare it with the proper order to see the differences. This page gives two Coptic parishes in Sydney. Anyway, I’ve always believed in our Spanish maxim: “People understand each other by talking things over”; problems in liturgy are nothing that couldn’t be exposed to the parish priest for him to fix them.
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There are two Coptic Catholic parishes in Australia, in Sydney and Melbourne. I am visiting the Coptic Catholic Church this month, God willing. When I lived in Queensland there wasn’t a Coptic Catholic parish so I attended with the melkites. I will be happy to be wrong on the latinization question, believe me.
 
SyroMalankara said:
Are these atheists being converted, or Orthodox? If the latter, I believe there is an explicit law forbidding clergy to coerce to change Ritual Churches, that is an violation of Canons.
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**No **one, clerical or lay, is to use coercion. See the Balamand Declaration:
  1. Pastoral activity in the Catholic Church, Latin as well as Eastern, no longer aims at having the faithful of one Church pass over to the other
 
Born and raised Roman Catholic. Converted to Romanian Orthodox at age 30 when I married. Faithful Orthodox (still am) for 20 years (High school Sunday school teacher 12 yrs, raised my children Orthodox)
I fell in love all over again with my Catholic faith last year when I decided to attend Church everyday during Lent.
Both churches are the fullness of truth and should reunite.

I still attend Divine Liturgy with my wife and children and Catholic mass at least every Sunday and whenever I can during the week.

My daughter had met one of the most wonderful devout Catholic boys I could hope for and she has converted to Catholicism. I am so blessed to know both faiths
 
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