Former Protestants: Do some Protestants worship the Bible as an Idol?

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As ALLFORHIM so eloquently put it… See Romans 12:1

1Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God—this is your spiritual[a] act of worship.

You don’t have to have a priest there in that verse do you?
We have the priesthood of the baptized. Not an ordained priest, but a baptized Christian.

St. Paul is telling us that our baptismal priesthood requires us to give our all for Christ - obey Him in all things (which would include being a member of His Church), and put others ahead of ourselves in all things.

St. Paul is not denigrating real worship, or saying that real worship can be replaced by this form of spiritual worship. All of it works together.
 
The day that Protestants place the Bible in a monstrance and start a perpetual adoration chapel is that day I’ll be convinced they worship it.

As a former Fundamentalist/Evangelical/Charismatic, I would say that Protestants do not worship the Bible. They do, however, worship the God of the Bible, and that’s something we can all agree on. I believe worship is something much deeper than what Protestants do concerning the word of God. I might also add, it’s equally unfair to say that Protestants worship the Bible as it is to say that Catholics worship Mary. Appearance is one thing; what’s burning in our heart is another.

One nice way to define worship…

“To worship is to quicken the conscience by the holiness of God, to purge the imagination by the beauty of God, to open the heart to the love of God, and to devote the will to the purpose of God” --by Archbishop of Canterbury William Temple

Protestants venerate the Bible. We ought to do the same.

(Yes, I know some Protestants appear to get a little nutty when it comes to these things, but just think how some Catholics look to them. Perhaps that’s why there are many misunderstandings.)
 
The day that Protestants place the Bible in a monstrance and start a perpetual adoration chapel is that day I’ll be convinced they worship it.

As a former Fundamentalist/Evangelical/Charismatic, I would say that Protestants do not worship the Bible. They do, however, worship the God of the Bible, and that’s something we can all agree on. I believe worship is something much deeper than what Protestants do concerning the word of God. I might also add, it’s equally unfair to say that Protestants worship the Bible as it is to say that Catholics worship Mary.

Protestants venerate the Bible. We ought to do the same.

(Yes, I know some Protestants appear to get a little nutty when it comes to these things, but just think how some of us look to them.)
These are all excellent points - I, too, have never seen a Protestant worship the Bible, although they do sometimes come dangerously close to mistaking it for Jesus - quite rarely, though.
 
Just curious, how do you worship God in your car? What do you use as your Sacrifice, and where do you put it? (Do you burn it in the ashtray?)
Just turn the radio on:
I have seen you Lord
I have seen your glory fall
I have come to know you
I want more of your love
All I have
All I am
I give it all to you

Take all I have
All I am
I want to be more like you Lord
Take My Life – Jeremy Camp
Here I am before you now
I’m like a child reaching out
Here I am I’m giving all I can
Well breaking my pride I feel I’m through
Shattered inside I run to you
And now I give it all to you
Chorus
Take my life take my mind
take my soul take my will
Cause I am yours now, I give it all to you
(x2)
Laying all down before my king
Offering all my everything
Laying all down before the one I serve
I can understand the reasons why
You came on this earth and died
And now I give it all to you
I can see you on my shoulder
And I know that you are there
I can see you paint my picture
For the beauty is all there
**I give it all to you! **(x4)
So take my life!
What do we use as a sacrifice? Our very lives, offered to God.

Oh, and sometimes we even confess our sins:
Relient K - Bite My Tongue
I was gonna spell it out
In detail but
I dropped the call
Before I spilled my guts
The floor stayed clean
Like my conscience would be
Cuz if you heard anything
You didn’t hear it from me
I’m sweeping up the seconds
That tick off the clock
Save them all for later
When I’m too ticked to talk
And I need some time
To search my mind
To locate the words
That seem so hard to find
And sometimes I say things that
I wish that I could take back
The most crucial thing in life is
The thing called tact
And if your hour’s so intently listening
Then the smartest thing to say
Is to tell myself not to say a thing
Yeah I gotta keep quiet quiet
Don’t let it all come undone
Cuz if I dare open my mouth
It’ll just be to bite my tongue
To bit my tongue
I said I’m always close-minded
With an open mouth
And the worst of me
Seems to come right out
But I’ve never broken bones
With a stone or a stick
But I’ve conjured up a phrase
That can cut to the quick
And sometimes I say things that
I wish that I could take back
And the smartest thing to say
Is to tell myself to keep
Quiet quiet
Don’t let it all come undone
Cuz if I dare open my mouth
It’ll just be to bite my tongue
Yeah I gotta keep quiet quiet
Listen to your voice
Because the power of your words
Can repair all that I destroyed
And when I finally do
Let it come from you
The peace of understanding grips my soul
The reason I
Have meaning in this life
Is so I swallow all my pride
And give you control
I give it all to you
And I gotta keep quiet quiet
Don’t let it all come undone
Cuz if I dare open my mouth
It’ll just be to bite my tongue
I gotta keep quiet quiet
Listen to your voice
Because the power of your words
Can repair all that I destroyed
And I gotta keep quiet quiet
Don’t let it all come undone
Cuz if I dare open my mouth
It’ll just be to bite my tongue
Bite my tongue
And we recognize and give adoration for Christ’s sacrifice:
To God Be The Glory – Andre Crouch
How can I say thanks
for the things you have done for me
Things so undeserved
Yet you give to prove your love for me
The voices of a million angels
Cannot express my gratitude
**All that I am or ever hope to be
I owe it all to Thee **
(Chorus)
To God be the glory
To God be the glory
To God be the glory
For the things He has done
With His blood, He has saved me
By His power, He has raised me.
To God be the glory
For the things he has done
(Bridge)
Just let me live my life
And let it be pleasing, Lord to Thee
And should I gain any praise,
Let it go to Calvary.
With His blood, He has saved me
By His power, He has raised me.
To God be the glory
For the things he has done.
Yes, you can worship even in the car, maybe especially in the car.
 
Dear Grace Seeker,
I agree that praising and singing to God in the car is an act of worship. I believe it moves His heart in a powerful and beautiful way. I regularly sing while I’m driving. I do this as much as a Catholic as I did as an Evangelical. 🙂

I think the distinction here is that the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is a far superior form of worship.

Keep praising Him dear sibling in Christ! 👍

(forgive me if I missed something in your previous threads. I’m just sharing some thoughts concerning this most recent thread.)
 
Dear Grace Seeker,
I agree that praising and singing to God in the car is an act of worship. I believe it moves His heart in a powerful and beautiful way. I regularly sing while I’m driving. I do this as much as a Catholic as I did as an Evangelical. 🙂

**I think the distinction here is that the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is a far superior form of worship. **

Keep praising Him dear sibling in Christ! 👍

(forgive me if I missed something in your previous threads. I’m just sharing some thoughts concerning this most recent thread.)
I totally agree that it pleases God for us to worship Him in our cars as well as everywhere else that we can. Maybe even better to worship Him at work where you can share your Faith with others… It’s a total risk to do this in many environments so this is a HUGE sacrifice because you may lose your job…

To the bolded thought… I think that many catholics feel that there are different ways to worship as do protestants. But there was one catholic who said that Mass is the ONLY way we are to worship and can worship God. This I disagree with hence the posts you see above this one…
 
I think the distinction here is that the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is a far superior form of worship.
You may be right, but the question wasn’t what is the most superior form of worship. The question was how one could worship in a car without something to use as a sacrifice.
Keep praising Him dear sibling in Christ! 👍
Thank-you. I intend to.
 
I think I’m pretty familiar with evangelical christianity. What specifically are you referring to in my comments?
Hi Fred,
The part about No church, no sacrements, no saints interceding. The thing is we have all those things we just define it differeently then catholcis do.👍 😃
 
Yes, you can worship even in the car, maybe especially in the car.
Now I understand the concept of “Drive-in Church” that the Methodists are doing these days - makes perfect sense, in the light of this. 👍

I do praise God in the car, and on long trips we pray the Rosary, do the Divine Mercy Chaplet, listen to homilies and sermons on St. Joseph Communications CDs, and sing along with music CDs, but I can’t say I ever worshipped in the car.
 
Now I understand the concept of “Drive-in Church” that the Methodists are doing these days - makes perfect sense, in the light of this. 👍

I do praise God in the car, and on long trips we pray the Rosary, do the Divine Mercy Chaplet, listen to homilies and sermons on St. Joseph Communications CDs, and sing along with music CDs, but I can’t say I ever worshipped in the car.
Ive never heard of Drive in Church. What does that mean?
 
Now I understand the concept of “Drive-in Church” that the Methodists are doing these days - makes perfect sense, in the light of this.
I do praise God in the car, and on long trips we pray the Rosary, do the Divine Mercy Chaplet, listen to homilies and sermons on St. Joseph Communications CDs, and sing along with music CDs, but I can’t say I ever worshipped in the car.
I’m sorry, but if you do these things, these are acts of worship, which is the same as adoration. However, it’s certainly not on par with the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Perhaps this is the type of worship you’re referring to.

The Catechism states:

Adoration (Same as Worship)

2096 Adoration is the first act of the virtue of religion. To adore God is to acknowledge him as God, as the Creator and Savior, the Lord and Master of everything that exists, as infinite and merciful Love. “You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve,” says Jesus, citing Deuteronomy.

2097 To adore God is to acknowledge, in respect and absolute submission, the “nothingness of the creature” who would not exist but for God. To adore God is to praise and exalt him and to humble oneself, as Mary did in the Magnificat, confessing with gratitude that he has done great things and holy is his name. The worship of the one God sets man free from turning in on himself, from the slavery of sin and the idolatry of the world.

For more insight on Christian worship:
newadvent.org/cathen/15710a.htm

I think it’s accurate to say that any genuine act of love for God is also an act of worship.
 
Ive never heard of Drive in Church. What does that mean?
It means they drive their cars into a field and listen to a sermon and some music on the radio for an hour on Sunday mornings, in place of going into a :bigyikes: church building :bigyikes: . 🤷
 
The Catechism states:

Adoration (Same as Worship)
In my edition of the Catechism, I don’t find where it says “(Same as Worship)” in the brackets. All it says is “Adoration,” full stop.

Where are you finding where it says that Adoration is the same thing as worship?
 
It means they drive their cars into a field and listen to a sermon and some music on the radio for an hour on Sunday mornings, in place of going into a :bigyikes: church building :bigyikes: . 🤷
Interesting:shrug:
 
In my edition of the Catechism, I don’t find where it says “(Same as Worship)” in the brackets. All it says is “Adoration,” full stop.

Where are you finding where it says that Adoration is the same thing as worship?
The American Heritage Dictionary’s first definition for “adore” says “To worship as divine.”

In the subject index of my CCC I looked up “worship.” One of the selections is “meaning of worship: 2097.” That’s the one I gave you, where it goes on to use the word “adoration” in place of “worship.”

This is the way New Advent defines Adoration:

“In the strict sense, an act of religion offered to God in acknowledgment of His supreme perfection and dominion, and of the creature’s dependence upon Him; in a looser sense, the reverence shown to any person or object possessing, inherently or by association, a sacred character or a high degree of moral excellence. The rational creature, looking up to God, whom reason and revelation show to be infinitely perfect, cannot in right and justice maintain an attitude of indifference. That perfection which is infinite in itself and the source and fulfilment of all the good that we possess or shall possess, we must worship, acknowledging its immensity, and submiting to its supremacy. This worship called forth by God, and given exclusively to Him as God, is designated by the Greek name latreia (latinized, latria), for which the best translation that our language affords is the word Adoration. Adoration differs from other acts of worship, such as supplication, confession of sin, etc., inasmuch as it formally consists in self-abasement before the Infinite, and in devout recognition of His transcendent excellence. An admirable example of adoration is given in the Apocalypse vii 11, 12: “And all the angels stood rouud about the throne, and about the ancients, and about the living creatures; and they fell before the throne upon their faces, and adored God, saying: Amen. Beneditiction and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, honour, and power, and strength to our God. forever and ever. Amen.” The revealed precept to adore god was spoken to Moses upon Sinai and reaffirmed in the words of Christ: “The Lord thy God thou shalt adore, and Him only shalt thou serve” (Matthew 4:10).”

from newadvent.org/cathen/01151a.htm

Don’t dwell on it. It’s not a big deal, and now you know.

Blessings…
 
As ALLFORHIM so eloquently put it… See Romans 12:1

1Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God—this is your spiritual[a] act of worship.

You don’t have to have a priest there in that verse do you?

Well, then what is it going to be? I have had many catholics use the dictionary to explain prayer as just a way of ASKING someone to do something why can’t I use the dictionary to explain WORSHIP. You can’t have it both ways. There aren’t protestant and catholic dictionaries… If you can use the dictionary so can I… :rolleyes:

See Romans 12:1 - There is no priest in this verse and this describes the most Holy ways of worship. Our SPIRITUAL act of worship. The sacrifice of ourselves for Him is our greatest form of worship. This does not only happen in a church confined in those 4 walls. To confine God there is putting Him in a box… God is bigger than any box you put Him in.
With all due respect to my jmcrae, I believe the definition of worship was narrowed too much. The SUMMIT of our worship is in the Eucharist, but the Catholic Church defines this much in the same manner as you, even citing the same scripture;) . From the Catechism of the Catholic Church

2031 The moral life is spiritual worship. We "present [our] bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God,"73 within the Body of Christ that we form and in communion with the offering of his Eucharist. In the liturgy and the celebration of the sacraments, prayer and teaching are conjoined with the grace of Christ to enlighten and nourish Christian activity. As does the whole of the Christian life, the moral life finds its source and summit in the Eucharistic sacrifice.

73 Rom 12:1
 
With all due respect to my jmcrae, I believe the definition of worship was narrowed too much. The SUMMIT of our worship is in the Eucharist, but the Catholic Church defines this much in the same manner as you, even citing the same scripture;) . From the Catechism of the Catholic Church

2031 The moral life is spiritual worship. We "present [our] bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God,"73 within the Body of Christ that we form and in communion with the offering of his Eucharist. In the liturgy and the celebration of the sacraments, prayer and teaching are conjoined with the grace of Christ to enlighten and nourish Christian activity. As does the whole of the Christian life, the moral life finds its source and summit in the Eucharistic sacrifice.

73 Rom 12:1
That’s good to know… I didn’t think that ALL catholics felt this way or that this is what the catholic church teaches… But then again I have been surprised before so that is why I asked! 👍
 
The adoration of the Eucharist in the Church is a centuries old tradition, because in the Eucharist is God Himself, the real thing, the presence of God as when Jesus was in Bethlehem or at Calvary… and only to God Himself the Church pays adoration… after the Vatican II, the Perpetual Adoration of the Eucharist is on the rise all over the world, praise the Lord!.for me this what make mass something so important, the eucharist.May the Sacred Heart of Jesus be Adored, Glorified, Loved & Preserved throughout the world, now & forever. Sacred Heart of Jesus, please pray for me. Saint Jude, Worker of Miracles, please pray for me. Saint Jude, Helper of the Hopeless, please pray for me. Amen."🙂
 
It means they drive their cars into a field and listen to a sermon and some music on the radio for an hour on Sunday mornings, in place of going into a :bigyikes: church building :bigyikes: . 🤷
Which is wrong, because we know that neither Christ not any of the apostles ever worshipped in their car. No doubt they always worshipped in a building.

When Christ went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom, was that an act of worship? If so, what was the sacrifice?

Or, on the occassion when Jesus found the man who had been born blind that he had healed, who had been thrown out,
35Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?”
36"Who is he, sir?" the man asked. “Tell me so that I may believe in him.”
37Jesus said, “You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you.”
38Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.

What was the building in which this worship took place?
 
Which is wrong, because we know that neither Christ not any of the apostles ever worshipped in their car.
Well, not in separate cars without being able to see or hear each other, anyway. We do read, however that they were all in one Accord. (jk) 😛
No doubt they always worshipped in a building.
We can worship God anywhere; I have been to outdoor Masses. But the people were gathered together, and the priest was with us; not hanging out at a radio station somewhere.
When Christ went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom, was that an act of worship? If so, what was the sacrifice?
They never worshipped in the synagogue; they worshipped in the Temple. They went to the synagogue to hear and proclaim the Scriptures.

Remember when they were exiled in Babylon and couldn’t get to the Temple to worship God? How their inability to worship God meant that so many of them were led astray into idols? And how happy they were when they were allowed to return to Jerusalem and rebuild the Temple, so that they could begin to worship God, again?
 
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