Hi Marsha,
So, here is my problem with this argument, we don’t see the “Book” as contradicting the Church teachings at all… The idea that the Bible says only one thing and anyone who disagrees with that one thing is false, is naive. Your idea of what scripture says is based on your framework for interpreting it. Only through interpretation can one determine what scripture “says”. If you place scripture on a witness stand and ask it what it says, it will sit there… patiently… and never make a sound, scripture says nothing, it contains much, but says nothing, it must read and interpreted.
Again, the weakness of your argument is that we disagree on what it says… because scripture never actually says anything, it must be read and interpreted.
Mary was the person used by God to give Christ a human body and give humanity a savior. Do you think he just picked her name out of a hat?
I can’t comment directly on why SDAism does this, but I can comment on why some Protestantism does this.
Logos does indeed mean the Word of God. But throughout Christian history it has always referred to the Second Person of God a being the Word of God. Logos does not mean text. It means Jesus Christ.
I would agree. From my experiences as a Protestant, it does foster a “Jesus, the Bible, and me” mentality.
If Catholics do not have to believe this; why then would the Pope “approve” these as bonafide “visions?”
No where does the Bible say that Mary even comes close to doing this. She does not need to even “help” Jesus take away our sins; He is quite capable of doing this Himself. (Luke 18:27).
Brandon; you know as well as I do that God did not “pick her name out of a hat.” But you should also be able to admit that while God used Mary, worked through Mary, to bring Christ into this world; it was not Mary who gave Christ His human body; it was not Mary who gave humanity the Savior. Only God can give such things, and Mary is nowhere near to being God.
God’s Word has the power to change lives and hearts, just as it says,
If you want to deny the true import of God’s Word, then that is your choice.
Perhaps unwittingly, you just explained the very reasons we need a Church!!! For the record, Catholics do not worship Mary, or the saints. We honor Mary, and ask for her intercession, and for the saints intercession to God, just as we ask other Christians to pray for us.
Last time I checked, we received human bodies (in part) from our mothers. All our genetic and physical material is derived from a single fertilized egg which developed in their wombs. In the case of Mary, she conceived only after consenting to God’s plan (Luke 1:38); God does not force our wills, after all. Therefore, she gave human flesh to the Savior, precisely by actively offering her physical womb (and genetic material) to God as a vessel. Agreed?
As a Catholic, I believe that the Bible is the Word of God, and contains only the truth. Anything that contradicts the Bible’s teachings is not truth, period. How is this claim “in direct defiance of the Bible?”
Protestants actually do not say that “we do not need a Church of any kind.” Any Protestant who knows their Bible would never say such a thing.
The Fact of Mary giving birth to Jesus simply does not lend support to the types of contentions which say that Mary helped Jesus somehow in saving us. You have provided no Bible evidence to the contrary. Mary didn’t give Jesus anything but what any other mother gives their children. Who do you think gave Mary Baby Jesus? God gives us everything, and as a good steward of her Child, Mary gave Jesus the love of a Mother, but this in no way contributed to our salvation. Only Jesus saves. No where does the Bible say Jesus could not save us without Mary’s “help.”
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