Founder of "Positive" Muslim TV Channel charged with beheading wife...

[rpp]

rpp, how many topics actually stay on topic?

The vast majority of threads here stay on topic. Those that do not are closed. Stay on topic.

 

[R_not]

“Since Islam has a dualistic logic and dualistic ethics, it is completely foreign to us. Muslims think differently from us and feel differently from us. So our aversion is based upon fear and a rejection of Islamic ethics and logic. This aversion causes us to avoid learning about Islam so we are ignorant and stay ignorant.

“Another part of the aversion is the realization that there is no compromise with dualistic ethics. There is no halfway place between unitary ethics and dualistic ethics. If you are in a business deal with someone who is a liar and a cheat, there is no way to avoid getting cheated. No matter how nice you are to a con man, he will take advantage of you. … In short, Islamic politics, ethics, and logic cannot be part of our civilization. Islam does not assimilate; it dominates. There is never any ‘getting along’ with Islam. Its demands never cease, and the demands must be met on Islam’s terms: submission.”

Ref: “The Study of Political Islam”
By Bill Warner
frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=26769

Ok, I got to respond to this before I leave.

I can deal with it, but some others are having problems, or being frustrated by it.

I was in the military for 7+ years. I studied tactics. I believe in ‘knowing my enemy’. And if it means that I have to know every smarmy detail - then that is what it means. for some reason I can deal with it a little bit better, but I notice that even in myself I don’t trust anything that the muslims post as true. I see them as doing da’wa on these threads. And what they are trying to do is get their behinds into heaven. Of course, they can’t answer if that bypasses all that predestination that allah/mohammed spouts about every so often.

I think they try to cover their bases as much as possible.

And this attitude that, to me, shines through their posts is why I am repulsed by islam as a religion. I see/feel this same thing when I view mothers talking about their children who just died while killing others - who sit there and claim they are now martyrs and the mother is happy. The mother is happy because in some sick way she is assured she is named as one of the martyr’s 70 who are now saved. Does that bypass predestination?

The sickness of islam shines through the muslims themselves. While they think they are being all coy, and virginal and peaceful looking/sounding - I see/feel a rot, a putrid foulness about it all.

And it all goes back to mohammed, the koran and islam’s history - that has not changed at all.

 

[R_not]

You put your prejudices onto people. I hate, and am very disgusted with, islam - I don’t have that much energy to hate individuals especially on a forum that I have no idea who these people are.

And I don’t think the ones who are lashing our are hateful either - I am reading frustration and disgust also with what these muslims are taught.

Look past the surface and then you will see a little more - not only in islam but people’s behavior. Everyone seems to think that Christians are not supposed to have any feelings. Disgust that some downright lie is a true feeling and frustration that it keeps on happening is a true feeling. This, unfortunately, is what we are dealing with here. People who are commanded to deceive us.

 

[sedonaman]

I believe in ‘knowing my enemy’.

Of course, this pre-supposes the existence of an enemy. Too many people deny it exists.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Valentine’s day is NOT the only day that we are supposed to show our love. In fact, that is not the reason the day exists in the first place.

While I will grant that he has not been convicted, they generally do not put that information out there unless he is to be charged. If he is charged, it means that they feel the evidence is enough to convict him beyond a resonable doubt. Let’s set that aside for a minute.

The undisputed facts are that a Muslim Woman filed for divorce from her Muslim Husband. She was so afraid of him that she filed for court ordered protection, which was supposed to make him understand that he had to stay away from her. The woman ended up dead in a very strange way to Westerners, and he is the one who reported it.

I will bet anyone who is willing that he claims it was a culturally and religiously acceptable honor killing and that he should be allowed to do it as a free practice of his faith.

I’m just entering this thread now, and I don’t really plan to read pages upon pages of people bashing Muslims at large or Islam, when in fact there is one man who has committed a truly awful and evil crime, something which is neither honorable nor justifiable in Islam, but what is a horrible culmination of domestic abuse.

Domestic violence and abuse is wrong whichever way you slice it. There is no justification for this act in Islam.

I will take on, personally, ANYONE who tries to use islam to justify this evil.

 

[sedonaman]

I’m just entering this thread now, and I don’t really plan to read pages upon pages of people bashing Muslims at large or Islam, when in fact there is one man who has committed a truly awful and evil crime, something which is neither honorable nor justifiable in Islam, but what is a horrible culmination of domestic abuse.

Domestic violence and abuse is wrong whichever way you slice it. There is no justification for this act in Islam.

What Is Islam About?
…
Islam is a total way of life. It covers everything from sleeping to waking, lying down to sitting and standing, as well as eating and drinking and sex. Every action performed by a Muslim, one who follows Islam, should be an act of worship of God.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=4834580#post4834580

 

[Sister_Amy]

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=4834580#post4834580

I don’t see Muslim Woman condoning domestic abuse. Do you?

Saying Islam is a complete way of life is a perfectly valid statement.

Saying that everything that a random Muslim does is part of Islam is wholly ridiculous.

 

[sedonaman]

Saying that everything that a random Muslim does is part of Islam is wholly ridiculous.

Beheading your victim doesn’t seem to be a “random” type of “punishment” among Muslims.

 

[ralphinal]

I’m just entering this thread now, and I don’t really plan to read pages upon pages of people bashing Muslims at large or Islam, when in fact there is one man who has committed a truly awful and evil crime, something which is neither honorable nor justifiable in Islam, but what is a horrible culmination of domestic abuse.

Domestic violence and abuse is wrong whichever way you slice it. There is no justification for this act in Islam.

I will take on, personally, ANYONE who tries to use islam to justify this evil.

I am glad that you posted this. I really am, because I know that you mean it.

Totally hypothetical, but if this was in your area, and he tried to use the “Honor Killing is allowed in Islam defense,” would you be willing to contact the prosecutor and state the truth? Or appear on TV refuting it?

 

[sedonaman]

Totally hypothetical, but if this was in your area, and he tried to use the “Honor Killing is allowed in Islam defense,” would you be willing to contact the prosecutor and state the truth? Or appear on TV refuting it?

Touché, Monsieur Pussycat !

It need not be in her area … we could take up a collection for her travel expenses.

 

[sedonaman]

…minority people suffer more or less almost in all countries . In the West specially USA , Muslims are criminals unless proven innocent.

Here is logical proof that Islam lacks a concept of the Golden Rule and therefore is a false dogma, a heresy:

Any one and every one who has not uttered the Kalima [the Muslim oath] is not a Kafir. Only those to whom the message of Islam is presented peacefully and given enough time to understand it, if they (or He) tries to not believe and tries to fight the Muslims and Islam and wages war against Islam and does not let others believe, he is a Kafir, described in the verses in a lose [loose] manner as a disbeliever.

He is not a simple disbeliever but a fanatic hostile disbeliever in Islam.

H]e deserves to be killed because he is already on war path against Islam. What problem do you have against the enemies. We do not believe in your false theory of “Love thy enemy”. We can be kind to the enemy depending on the situation if kindness will help him to improve his ways.

If our kindness will spoil him more then we will not be kind with him. This our teaching is different to the teaching of the church “Love thy enemy”… Nobody can always do that and it is not fair to love all the enemies all the time.

Suppose, just suppose that non-Muslims adopted Islam’s philosophy described by planten and treated Muslims as he would treat kafirs/unbleivers? Suppose the Bible said,

Any one and every one who has not been baptized is not a [Hated, or fill in some other worse word in the human language] one. Only those to whom the message of Christianity is presented peacefully and given enough time to understand it, if they (or He) tries to not believe and tries to fight the Christians and Truth and wages war against Truth and does not let others believe, he is a [Hated, or fill in some other worse word in the human language] one, described in the verses in a lose [loose] manner as a disbeliever [or heretic].

He is not a simple disbeliever but a fanatic hostile disbeliever [or heretic] in Christianity.

[H]e deserves to be killed because he is already on war path against Christianity. What problem do you have against the enemies. We do not believe in your false theory of “wish for your brother”. We can be kind to the enemy depending on the situation if kindness will help him to improve his ways.

If our kindness will spoil him more then we will not be kind with him. This our teaching is different to the teaching of the Qur’an " wish for your brother"… Nobody can always do that and it is not fair to love all the enemies all the time.

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Then there are the much maligned Crusades. If what planten says is true about Islamic beliefs, Muslims have no complaint about the Crusades; what goes around comes around. You have to expect back what you dish out.

Then Musim Woman complains that,

In the West specially USA , Muslims are criminals unless proven innocent.

She and Sister Amy also complain about the way they are treated on this forum.

Now aren’t these simply a desire to be treated the same as others are treated, i.e., with human dignity? How can they expect equal treatment if they don’t believe in treating others as they wishes to be treated?

Do Muslims possess sufficient abstract thought to see that they are complaining about the exact thing they are advocating, and what the world would be like if everyone treated “The Other” as kafirs?

Wouldn’t the Islamic way be just a peachy keen way to run the world? How can there be “peace” if Islam treats even some of its own like kafirs?

 

[R_not]

Here is logical proof that Islam lacks a concept of the Golden Rule and therefore is a false dogma, a heresy:

Suppose, just suppose that non-Muslims adopted Islam’s philosophy described by planten and treated Muslims as he would treat kafirs/unbleivers? Suppose the Bible said,

Any one and every one who has not been baptized is not a [Hated, or fill in some other worse word in the human language] one. Only those to whom the message of Christianity is presented peacefully and given enough time to understand it, if they (or He) tries to not believe and tries to fight the Christians and Truth and wages war against Truth and does not let others believe, he is a [Hated, or fill in some other worse word in the human language] one, described in the verses in a lose [loose] manner as a disbeliever [or heretic].

He is not a simple disbeliever but a fanatic hostile disbeliever [or heretic] in Christianity.

[H]e deserves to be killed because he is already on war path against Christianity. What problem do you have against the enemies. We do not believe in your false theory of “wish for your brother”. We can be kind to the enemy depending on the situation if kindness will help him to improve his ways.

If our kindness will spoil him more then we will not be kind with him. This our teaching is different to the teaching of the Qur’an " wish for your brother"… Nobody can always do that and it is not fair to love all the enemies all the time.

?

Then there are the much maligned Crusades. If what planten says is true about Islamic beliefs, Muslims have no complaint about the Crusades; what goes around comes around. You have to expect back what you dish out.

Then Musim Woman complains that,

She and Sister Amy also complain about the way they are treated on this forum.

Now aren’t these simply a desire to be treated the same as others are treated, i.e., with human dignity? How can they expect equal treatment if they don’t believe in treating others as they wishes to be treated?

Do Muslims possess sufficient abstract thought to see that they are complaining about the exact thing they are advocating, and what the world would be like if everyone treated “The Other” as kafirs?

Wouldn’t the Islamic way be just a peachy keen way to run the world? How can there be “peace” if Islam treats even some of its own like kafirs?

uuhh, I think you gave them a headache and they all scurried away with your question. I get that same reaction when I bring up their religion’s predestination.

 

[chrisse]

From the forum rules

The thing is that term doesn’t even apply. A troll is some one that posts just to get a reaction and sits back and watches the show. Since she has over 1800 posts, she is not a troll.

I have been shocked by the general lack of decorum and manners by the Catholics who post have posted on this thread. Perhaps not all who claim to be Catholic really are, but I find it hard to believe that Catholics can not disagree and remain charitable at the same time.

Thank you for you judgement, it must be nice to be a perfect Catholic.

 

[chrisse]

You are most welcome to hate me & post any images in your posts replying to me. But u should not add anything in my or someone else’s posts.

I am drawing attention of Forum Admin about this matter. chrisse did it earlier more than once . I requested her not to do it but she is still doing it.

Firstly I do not hate you, I don’t know you. It is your ideology I hate, it is your opinions that I am debating, and at times find very distatesful. THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU, Muslim Woman.

Secondly, you have presented yourself here as an adherent of Islam and defender of Islam. Therefore, one would expect you are fully conversant with that ideology and are here to support it and it’s beliefs in total.

Thirdly, as I have stated before my opinion is that Islam is no different to me than communism, Hitler’s National Socialism and such. Just the god-man is different.

Fourthly, you have consistently made unsubstantiated claims and ignored requests for them to be supported. You consistently give flowery answers that prove nor support anything.

Fifthly (?), I hear these replies in many places. I am convinced there is a central place muslims go to for the latest list. Instead of being upset over images - start thinking for yourself. Put in considered replies or statements, substantiated, that show you have got your information outside of the mosque.

And, finally, you running to the moderators is just par for the course in muslim behaviour. You get a voice in this forum; you can criticise our faith here and not get banned. This is more than can be done on muslim forums, let alone for anyone living in islamic countries.

If the moderators do “punish” me at your request, at least they can’t smite at my neck.

PS to the moderators - I think the Sisters of Charity who educated me have a whole file on me. They’ll just sigh.

 

[rcscwc]

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** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

I visited India few years ago & heard that it’s prohibited to slaughter cows. May be , it’s allowed only in few places , not everywhere .
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[rcscwc]

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minority people suffer more or less almost in all countries . In the West specially USA , Muslims are criminals unless proven innocent.

Examples are the muslim countries.

In Nepal & India , Muslims are not allowed to eat cow meat as Hindus worship cows

In muslim countries non-muslims are not allwed to eat publicly during rozas. All eateries are closed, even those run by non muslims.

though it’s not the teaching of their holiest book Veda but a local tradition.

Must be some pocket spread over India and Nepal. Lols.

But leave it to Hindus to decide. But no, you MUST decide for Hindus too, whether thet eat during ramazan or not.

 

[R_not]

I visted Pakistan a few years and found that it is an offence to even enquire if I could have pork.

Leave that to Hindus to decide.

How many muslim countries permit slaughter of a pig or sale of pork?

It is even worse than that - muslims are DEMANDING in our own countries that WE CHANGE our eating habits because of their religion!

Now, this is why I call this whole line of whining hypocritical!

 

[Rachel_Malloy]

This thread is now closed. Thanks to all who participated.