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MrDickerson
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He only got 30 years!? He and his entire family should have been executed.
Founder of "Positive" Muslim TV Channel charged with beheading wife...
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Muslim_Woman
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In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Salaam/peace
‘Is Terrorism a Muslim monopoly?’
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Honor Killing from an Islamic Perspective
Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, Ontario, Canada:…“There is no such concept in Islam that is called “honor killing”. Islam holds every soul in high esteem and does not allow any transgression upon it. It does not allow people to take the law in their own hands and administer justice, because doing so will be leading to chaos and lawlessness. Therefore, based on this, Islam does not permit such killings.
First of all, in order to sanction killing, it must be through a binding verdict issued by an authoritative law court. Individuals themselves have no authority either to judge cases or pass judgments
…Shedding more light on it, Sheikh `Atiyyah Saqr, former head of Al-Azhar Fatwa Committee, states:
“Like all other religions, Islam strictly prohibits murder and killing without legal justification. Allah, Most High, says, “Whoso slayeth a believer of set purpose, his reward is Hell for ever.
Allah is wroth against him and He hath cursed him and prepared for him an awful doom.” (An-Nisa’: 93)
Allah Almighty knows best.
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Salaam/peace
‘Is Terrorism a Muslim monopoly?’
thetruecall.com/home/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=261
thetruecall.com/home/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=352
Honor Killing from an Islamic Perspective
Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, Ontario, Canada:…“There is no such concept in Islam that is called “honor killing”. Islam holds every soul in high esteem and does not allow any transgression upon it. It does not allow people to take the law in their own hands and administer justice, because doing so will be leading to chaos and lawlessness. Therefore, based on this, Islam does not permit such killings.
First of all, in order to sanction killing, it must be through a binding verdict issued by an authoritative law court. Individuals themselves have no authority either to judge cases or pass judgments
…Shedding more light on it, Sheikh `Atiyyah Saqr, former head of Al-Azhar Fatwa Committee, states:
“Like all other religions, Islam strictly prohibits murder and killing without legal justification. Allah, Most High, says, “Whoso slayeth a believer of set purpose, his reward is Hell for ever.
Allah is wroth against him and He hath cursed him and prepared for him an awful doom.” (An-Nisa’: 93)
Allah Almighty knows best.
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chrisse
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- Honour killing in the qur’an : Sura 18:74-81
And there is no punishment for a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring’s offspring. (The Reliance of the Traveller, Justice, 1.2(4), page 584)
The Reliance of the Traveller approved by :-
- Mosque of Darwish Pasha, Damascus, Syria
- Mufti of the Jordanian Armed Forces
- International Institute of Islamic Thought, (Member of the Islamic Fiqh Academy at Jedda)
and last, but certainly not least - Al-Azhar (Islamic Research Academy)
- Divorce in Islam. A man can say “I divorce you” once and the woman is divorced. If he wants her back, she must go back (she has not choice). He can divorce her a second time the same way. If he divorces her a third time (or says “I divorce you” three times in succession), this time if he wants her back (and she wants to return - now she gets a choice), SHE must marry another man and have full vaginal intercourse with him and THEN that man divorce her before she can return to her original husband. (a summary of The Reliance of the Traveller, Divorce, pages 564-565)
It may not be encouraged, but it is made very easy for the man in Islam.
As for your last claim, I can see nothing that upholds the enormity of a man killing his wife. And I can only look into The Reliance of the Traveller so much, it is a disgusting legal system.
The Reliance of the Traveller is shariah law. There is also another book from the same group to complete Reliance. Anyway, you can buy Reliance from Amazon.com
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kalt
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I think it would have made the news no matter who did it. Beheading is one of those things that’s so barbaric that national and global news outlets will pick it up.In all fairness to the discussion at hand, we all know that many men kill their wives before or after their women file for divorce.
No doubt this happens globally…
But what drew attention to this issue is that:
She was beheaded
And both were muslim
Therefore in conclusion since many terrorists and hard core islamic muslims perform this barbaric act in the 21st century, it made the news.
I believe that if this was just some ordinary “Joe” and he killed his wife out of rage and anger, it would have not made news.
Just my thoughts…!!1
Men who do things like this are monsters.
I’m with MG. You can’t judge the religion or its adherents by the actions of one person.
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ralphinal
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This is one of the issues in Islam that has always confused me. Sister Amy and I tried to talk about it once, and I am stil confused. Let me see if I can explain.
Honor killings are not allowed in Islam. In fact, the killing of any innocent is so abhorant in Islam that it is one of the major sins. There is no concept of it and it is forbidden.
However, unlike other prohibited things in Islam, such as alcohol use and eating pork, Islam was not strong enough an influence in these cultures to end the practice.
This confuses me. I would think that it would be harder to get someone to stop drinking or eating pig then killing a relative.
Honor killings are not allowed in Islam. In fact, the killing of any innocent is so abhorant in Islam that it is one of the major sins. There is no concept of it and it is forbidden.
However, unlike other prohibited things in Islam, such as alcohol use and eating pork, Islam was not strong enough an influence in these cultures to end the practice.
This confuses me. I would think that it would be harder to get someone to stop drinking or eating pig then killing a relative.
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Muslim_Woman
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In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Salaam/peace
Salaam/peace
lol how this is honour killing ?
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Middleman
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Honor killing is something that is more of an unfortunate cultural phenomenon. The cultures where Islam flourishes are usually quite misogynistic. I believe you see some of this stuff in Hindu society as well.
Mohammed was known for violent nature and this was definitely connected with his desire to sexually subjugate his multiple wives. His new religion became a means for him to support his lifestyle and militaristic goals. Modern psychologists would definitely have a diagnosis for this man. He fits the profile of modern day, polygamous cult leaders such as David Koreesh. He had a definite taste for extremely young virgins, hardly the hallmark of a deeply spiritual man.
Is there another aspect of the Islamic faith? Yes, obviously there are adherents who have real relationships with the living God, and live holy lives. But, having read some of the Koran, there is a strong violent theme throughout the book that reflects the violent underpinnings of this religion that is not found in other faiths.
One could try to argue that the Old Testament contains some of these elements. However, one does not read within the OT the general instructions to the reader to violently kill the infidel. Instead one reads accounts of God speaking to the Jewish people at a particular moment and situation in their history as a people, where they were instructed to carry out a military operation. There is never a general instruction to kill all non-Jews in the OT.
Mohammed was known for violent nature and this was definitely connected with his desire to sexually subjugate his multiple wives. His new religion became a means for him to support his lifestyle and militaristic goals. Modern psychologists would definitely have a diagnosis for this man. He fits the profile of modern day, polygamous cult leaders such as David Koreesh. He had a definite taste for extremely young virgins, hardly the hallmark of a deeply spiritual man.
Is there another aspect of the Islamic faith? Yes, obviously there are adherents who have real relationships with the living God, and live holy lives. But, having read some of the Koran, there is a strong violent theme throughout the book that reflects the violent underpinnings of this religion that is not found in other faiths.
One could try to argue that the Old Testament contains some of these elements. However, one does not read within the OT the general instructions to the reader to violently kill the infidel. Instead one reads accounts of God speaking to the Jewish people at a particular moment and situation in their history as a people, where they were instructed to carry out a military operation. There is never a general instruction to kill all non-Jews in the OT.
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chrisse
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I was answering the outright lie from you in your post where you said there is no honour killing in islam. I understand that you are confused - you are a muslim. However, your continual lie about honour killing in Islam exposes you for what you are - a stealth jihadi who is fully aware of the lies you are spewing forth.lol how this is honour killing ?
At no time did I say that this incident was an honour killing.
Don’t thank me for clarifying the issue for you, it’s okay, pleased to do so.
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Angels_Unaware
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This story is really interesting, for any who might be tempted to be “fair”. 
The police have no other suspects. This man came to them and told them his wife was dead. His wife was on the telephone with her sister when she was murdered. So, we can get that little bit of playing “fair” out of the way. You should hear what the prosectuer had to say about the lovely suspect to FOX news.
The woman had filed for divorce about a week ago, had a restraining order, and filed for divorce after multiple physical injuries and multiple domestic violence calls. Her sister had to take her to the hospital in S. Africa for her injuries the last time she visited.
FOX news interviewed two self-proclaimed experts on Islam and both independently agreed this WAS an honor killing.
AND YET, this is a man with an MBA from a top business school, who is Pakistani, but has lived in the US for 25 years, who is entirely immersed in US culture, and who starts an entire televsion station for the purpose of promoting cultural tolerance.
The police have no other suspects. This man came to them and told them his wife was dead. His wife was on the telephone with her sister when she was murdered. So, we can get that little bit of playing “fair” out of the way. You should hear what the prosectuer had to say about the lovely suspect to FOX news.
The woman had filed for divorce about a week ago, had a restraining order, and filed for divorce after multiple physical injuries and multiple domestic violence calls. Her sister had to take her to the hospital in S. Africa for her injuries the last time she visited.
FOX news interviewed two self-proclaimed experts on Islam and both independently agreed this WAS an honor killing.
AND YET, this is a man with an MBA from a top business school, who is Pakistani, but has lived in the US for 25 years, who is entirely immersed in US culture, and who starts an entire televsion station for the purpose of promoting cultural tolerance.
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MugenOne
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If this man was a moderate Muslim and capable of this heinous crime, can you imagine the real Muslims?
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Angels_Unaware
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**Headless Body in Gutless Press **[Mark Steyn]
Just asking, but are beheadings common in western New York? I used to spend a lot of time in that neck of the woods and I don’t remember decapitation as a routine form of murder. Yet the killing of Aasiya Hassan seems to have elicited a very muted response.
When poor Mrs. Hassan’s husband launched his TV network to counter negative stereotypes of Muslims, he had no difficulty generating column inches, as far afield as The Columbus Dispatch, The Detroit Free Press, The San Jose Mercury News, Variety, NBC News, the Voice of America, and the Canadian Press. The Rochester Democrat & Chronicle put the couple on the front page under the headline “Infant TV Network Unveils The Face Of Muslim News”.
But, when Muzzammil Hassan kills his wife and “the face of Muslim news” is unveiled rather more literally, detached from her corpse at his TV studios, it’s all he can do to make the local press — page 26 of Newsday, plus The Buffalo News, and a very oddly angled piece in the usually gung-ho New York Post, “Buffalo Beheading: Money Woe Spurred Slay”.
Oh, really? He beheaded her for some goofy clause in the insurance policy? Not exactly:
An upstate TV exec who set up a channel promoting Muslims as peace-loving people was stressed about his failing business in the days before he allegedly chopped off his estranged wife’s head, a friend of the couple said today.
Ah.
“He was worried about the station’s future,” said Dr. Khalid Qazi, a friend of the couple and president of the Muslim Public Affairs Council of Western New York, who last spoke to the Hassans a week ago…
“Domestic violence is despicable, and Islam condones it in no way whatever,” he said.
“Murders are being committed in the US every day by people of all faiths.”
Well, maybe. But for sheer news value you’d think this one might stand out. Look at this picture. That’s the very definition of “moderate Muslim”. Look at the late Aasiya Hassan, beautifully coiffed, glossy-lipped. On countless occasions since 9/11, I’ve found myself at lunch or dinner in New York, London, Washington, Paris or some other western city, sitting next to a modern Muslim woman like Mrs. Hassan telling me how horrified she is at how hijabs and burqas, honor killings and genital mutilation, forced cousin marriages and the disproportionate number of Muslim wives in European battered women’s shelters, how all these have come to define Muslim womanhood in the 21st century. Yet Aasiya Hassan ended up no differently — all because her husband’s TV network had a cashflow problem?
The media’s lack of curiosity is in marked contrast to their willingness to propagandize for the launch of Mr. Hassan’s station. It also helps explain why the U.S. newspaper business is dying.
(More from Michelle Malkin, and Ed Driscoll)
02/14 08:22 PM
**Headless Body in Gutless Press **[Mark Steyn]
Just asking, but are beheadings common in western New York? I used to spend a lot of time in that neck of the woods and I don’t remember decapitation as a routine form of murder. Yet the killing of Aasiya Hassan seems to have elicited a very muted response.
When poor Mrs. Hassan’s husband launched his TV network to counter negative stereotypes of Muslims, he had no difficulty generating column inches, as far afield as The Columbus Dispatch, The Detroit Free Press, The San Jose Mercury News, Variety, NBC News, the Voice of America, and the Canadian Press. The Rochester Democrat & Chronicle put the couple on the front page under the headline “Infant TV Network Unveils The Face Of Muslim News”.
But, when Muzzammil Hassan kills his wife and “the face of Muslim news” is unveiled rather more literally, detached from her corpse at his TV studios, it’s all he can do to make the local press — page 26 of Newsday, plus The Buffalo News, and a very oddly angled piece in the usually gung-ho New York Post, “Buffalo Beheading: Money Woe Spurred Slay”.
Oh, really? He beheaded her for some goofy clause in the insurance policy? Not exactly:
An upstate TV exec who set up a channel promoting Muslims as peace-loving people was stressed about his failing business in the days before he allegedly chopped off his estranged wife’s head, a friend of the couple said today.
Ah.
“He was worried about the station’s future,” said Dr. Khalid Qazi, a friend of the couple and president of the Muslim Public Affairs Council of Western New York, who last spoke to the Hassans a week ago…
“Domestic violence is despicable, and Islam condones it in no way whatever,” he said.
“Murders are being committed in the US every day by people of all faiths.”
Well, maybe. But for sheer news value you’d think this one might stand out. Look at this picture. That’s the very definition of “moderate Muslim”. Look at the late Aasiya Hassan, beautifully coiffed, glossy-lipped. On countless occasions since 9/11, I’ve found myself at lunch or dinner in New York, London, Washington, Paris or some other western city, sitting next to a modern Muslim woman like Mrs. Hassan telling me how horrified she is at how hijabs and burqas, honor killings and genital mutilation, forced cousin marriages and the disproportionate number of Muslim wives in European battered women’s shelters, how all these have come to define Muslim womanhood in the 21st century. Yet Aasiya Hassan ended up no differently — all because her husband’s TV network had a cashflow problem?
The media’s lack of curiosity is in marked contrast to their willingness to propagandize for the launch of Mr. Hassan’s station. It also helps explain why the U.S. newspaper business is dying.
(More from Michelle Malkin, and Ed Driscoll)
02/14 08:22 PM
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R_not
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On weaselzippers there was an article about the muslims angry over us blaming the ‘islamic religion’ over this beheading.
And they ALWAYS say it is a ‘cultural thang’! When EVERY ISLAMIC COUNTRY DOES IT!
And as for their excuse about spousal abuse being against islam - that is utter nonsense when we look at islamic countries. They have laws that do nothing about it, a religion that says to beat the wife, and clerics caught on tape - even in our own lands - saying to beat the woman. And muslim countries do nothing to the perpetrators of these crimes.
guy outraged we are associating islam with his beheading his wife.
I say ‘sorry moron, you should have thought of that before you took a life’!
I have been blogging on a newsmax website about Geert Wilders and also weaselzippers - and I am very happy to see so many people are really getting it as far as what islam is all about. Yes, there are islam’s useful Idiots, but the word is getting out and people are really becoming aware of what islam is all about.
I know I will not stop to getting the word out. Unfortunately, since 9/11 I woke up and from that day forward I will never be able to rest again until I know that I have told everyone that I can about islam and its true face, not the facade that they want us to think that islam is.
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And they ALWAYS say it is a ‘cultural thang’! When EVERY ISLAMIC COUNTRY DOES IT!
And as for their excuse about spousal abuse being against islam - that is utter nonsense when we look at islamic countries. They have laws that do nothing about it, a religion that says to beat the wife, and clerics caught on tape - even in our own lands - saying to beat the woman. And muslim countries do nothing to the perpetrators of these crimes.
guy outraged we are associating islam with his beheading his wife.
I say ‘sorry moron, you should have thought of that before you took a life’!
I have been blogging on a newsmax website about Geert Wilders and also weaselzippers - and I am very happy to see so many people are really getting it as far as what islam is all about. Yes, there are islam’s useful Idiots, but the word is getting out and people are really becoming aware of what islam is all about.
I know I will not stop to getting the word out. Unfortunately, since 9/11 I woke up and from that day forward I will never be able to rest again until I know that I have told everyone that I can about islam and its true face, not the facade that they want us to think that islam is.
:knight1:
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chrisse
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This is just one example among countless others of abuse against women and children in Islam due to the degradation of all non-Muslim adult males to less than human.
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R_not
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When I say I don’t want to condemn our children to islam I really do mean that. And I am including little boys. Boys are brought up with this mentality that it is ok to beat up women, or to kill just because someone is an infidel so they can get to heaven. Women, as we have see on too many videos, happy that their children die while murdering others for some moon god that they don’t even know the history of.
No muslim will even answer - are they sure that it bypasses predestination in islam? They don’t know - they don’t have a clue. So, they continue to support this sort of behavior if not outright doing this behavior.
Their whole premise is that the Bible is corrupted - and they cannot prove that either.
The whole thing is a bunch of hooey and they continue to lie, kill, enslave, steal from, rape, or support killers, enslavers, and thiefs. The aura of goodness they put on these heinous acts is just mind boggling.
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chrisse
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Oops, I said that incorrectly. Preview is my friend.
Again, this is just one example among countless others of abuse against women and children in Islam due to the degradation of all, except Muslim adult males, to less than human.
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chrisse
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lol, R_Not, good to see you got my meaning anyway.
The reason they have to behave like rabid dogs is they only have behind them lies. There is no truth in islam, there was no truth with mohammet, and it wasn’t Angel Gabriel who “visited” him, and he simply transposed a pagan god into his own creator god.
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Randy_Carson
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Muslim Woman-
I am happy that you are active in the Catholic Answers Forums. May God grant you wisdom and understanding of His will through these discussions.
The problem, as I see it, is that until the Muslim community begins to come down hard on its own members who do things like this, the rest of the non-Muslim world will have a hard time believing that yours is a peaceful religion.
From what little I have read by Muslim authors, your faith is at risk of being hijacked - and yes, I chose that word thoughtfully - by radical elements.
I can’t help thinking that the silence from the Muslim community over incidents like this and 9/11 is deafening.
Until Muslims begin to punish murderers and terrorists within your own ranks, you will have a hard time making the case that you are not sympathetic with and supportive of their actions.
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Eucharisted
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Eternal rest grant unto her, O Lord, and may the angels lead her into Paradise. Amen.
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Muslim_Woman
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In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Salaam/peace
When any non-Muslim kills wife , media don’t relate the murder with religion but when a culprit is a Muslim , media relate the crime with Islam .
Can u tell me , in which country , wives are burnt alive by husbands in hundreds each year? I never heard from mainstream media who are these husbands …Muslims or Christians or Hindus. As it’s not taking place in a Muslim majority country , media is silent.
Salaam/peace
Muslims do protest against atrocity , terrorism but media normally don’t cover their positive actions.
When any non-Muslim kills wife , media don’t relate the murder with religion but when a culprit is a Muslim , media relate the crime with Islam .
Can u tell me , in which country , wives are burnt alive by husbands in hundreds each year? I never heard from mainstream media who are these husbands …Muslims or Christians or Hindus. As it’s not taking place in a Muslim majority country , media is silent.
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