Founder of "Positive" Muslim TV Channel charged with beheading wife...

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But he is dead and has been for quit a while. The characteristic of a cult that was used described a charismatic leader, not founder.
No he is not dead.

Muslims worship Muhammad more than their Allah, believe it or not.

Again, before you come, talk and defend Islam here, perhaps you need to learn a bit more about the cult you are defending.

I feel it is a waste of time arguing with people who don’t know what they are talking about.

Do some research, learn and then come and argue,

Thank you very much.
 
But he is dead and has been for quit a while. The characteristic of a cult that was used described a charismatic leader, not founder.
It doesn’t matter that he’s dead. He is still the be-all, end-all of Islam. Anything he and his companions did is to be copied/followed/emulated by Muslims today. He is the leader of Islam for all time.
 
It doesnt matter if the founder dies.
A cult formed and remains is still a cult.
 
Just a side comment. Anyone who tells the ‘positive’ of islam is deceiving us. Since it doesn’t apply to infidels not under sharia laws. In our lands called dar al harb, the realm of war, they are considered in a ‘war’ with us. (well, war to them is ‘opening up the world to islam’) And with war comes deception, and all the other atrocities of war.

We saw that behavior on 9/11. And Bush kept us pretty free of that behavior and I do doubt that Obama will do the same since he thinks appeasing muslims is the way to go. I don’t know any nation who has appeased them has also been free of violence against non-muslims.

And what do we hear from muslims about violence? After 9/11 we heard, ‘we don’t believe in the killing of innocents nor do we believe in suicide’.

Well THAT was a big lie. They sort of left out the fact that infidels are not considered innocent, and that if a person dies while killing infidels they are considered a martyr! They just don’t believe a muslim should commit suicide and ONLY TAKE HIS/HER OWN LIFE!

There is a whole bunch of words that they have different definitions for and their main purpose is to follow the koran, sira and mohammed. A few words are peace, peace treaty or cease fire, aggressor/oppressor, persecution, etc all have different meanings in islam. And they knowingly do not tell their definitions for those things knowing we will think that they have the same definitions as we do.
  • Intentionally preventing unbelievers from knowing the truth-> 6:25 6:110
  • Intentionally preventing unbelievers from Understanding Qur’an-> 17:45-76
 
No he is not dead.

Muslims worship Muhammad more than their Allah, believe it or not.

Again, before you come, talk and defend Islam here, perhaps you need to learn a bit more about the cult you are defending.

I feel it is a waste of time arguing with people who don’t know what they are talking about.

Do some research, learn and then come and argue,

Thank you very much.
Again, I have not defended Islam, despite your slanderous accusations. If you feel this is a waste of time, you are free to leave or report me for not meeting your pretend standards. You have yet to realize in your short time here that you have zero knowledge of others here and making baseless assumptions reflects only on you. There is an ignore funtcion if you need it.

I do not defend Islam. I just follow the lead of our Holy Father in trying to show a little respect.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5351988.stm

I also think it downplays the problem of family violence by blaming this incident on religion. Like I said earlier, this is a problem in all cultures.

fathersforlife.org/fv/fbi_spousal_murder_stats.htm
 
No he is not dead.

Muslims worship Muhammad more than their Allah, believe it or not.

Again, before you come, talk and defend Islam here, perhaps you need to learn a bit more about the cult you are defending.

I feel it is a waste of time arguing with people who don’t know what they are talking about.

Do some research, learn and then come and argue,

Thank you very much.
From the mouth of an ex-muslim that I wrote to asking about ‘do muslims worship the black rock?’ and I got a response back from him. It seems that not only do they worship that rock, but also mohammed and the koran.
Here is the response back I got from Ali Sina (an Iranian ex-muslim)
As you said “their behavior towards this stone proves they do indeed worship it.” That is enough proof. By the same token they also worshp the book of Quran. Of course they deny it. But they deny lots of things that are true. Muslims have never been honest to themselves or others.

Muslims also worship Muhammad far more than Allah. Muslims can easily criticize God as several great Persian poets have done it and their poetries are read by every Muslim. But no one can ever criticize Muhammad. It is only then that they become unhinged and unleashed and act like savages.

You may share what I said with them. They may fool others but they know that they can’t fool the ex-Muslims

Regards

Ali Sina
 
Again, I have not defended Islam, despite your slanderous accusations. If you feel this is a waste of time, you are free to leave or report me for not meeting your pretend standards. You have yet to realize in your short time here that you have zero knowledge of others here and making baseless assumptions reflects only on you. There is an ignore funtcion if you need it.

I do not defend Islam. I just follow the lead of our Holy Father in trying to show a little respect.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5351988.stm

I also think it downplays the problem of family violence by blaming this incident on religion. Like I said earlier, this is a problem in all cultures.
Respect?

Historical facts cannot be cherry-picked to suit someone’s opinion.

Facts are facts.

Sorry if I can’t be politically correct, err, coward.

And don’t involve the Catholic Church in a discussion about the history of the bloody cult of Islam. The Pope doesn’t ignore historic facts if he doesn’t speak about them in public.
 
And don’t involve the Catholic Church in a discussion about the history of the bloody cult of Islam. The Pope doesn’t ignore historic facts if he doesn’t speak about them in public.
This is a Catholic website and I am a Catholic. Of course I will involve my faith in any discussion. The topic is not the bloody cult of Islam. You would need to start you own thread if that is what you want. This is on a news story where an Islamic man killed his wife. Personally, I would rather blame it on the fact that he is from New York and try to show all Yankees are alike.

Perhaps we can show that men are all hate-filled and violent

silentwitness.net/sub/violences.htm

http://www.silentwitness.net/sub/intimatestab_files/image001.gif
 
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
The prophet muhammad(saw) is dead and WE ,MUSLIMS, DO NOT WORSHIP MUHAMMAD. so maybe you should take a bit of your own advice first.
No he is not dead.

Muslims worship Muhammad more than their Allah, believe it or not.

Again, before you come, talk and defend Islam here, perhaps you need to learn a bit more about the cult you are defending.

I feel it is a waste of time arguing with people who don’t know what they are talking about.

Do some research, learn and then come and argue,

Thank you very much.
 
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church
841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”[330]
From the Catholic Answer’s website:
catholic.com/thisrock/2002/0207bt.asp
 
From the mouth of an ex-muslim that I wrote to asking about ‘do muslims worship the black rock?’ and I got a response back from him. It seems that not only do they worship that rock, but also mohammed and the koran.
But of course, they even worship the Kaaba, the cubic building they turn around during the Haj (pilgrimage).

Allah is the creation of Muhammad.

In fact, Muhammad conformed Allah to his will so he can fulfill and justify his sexual animal desires and his multiple “marriages,” not to mention the foundation of the entire cult, its rituals and mass-murder.

Didn’t you know, for example, that Muhammad claimed that he received an inspiration from Allah while he was between Khadiga’s (his wife) lap?

He switched between one leg and the other to verify the “wah’i” (inspiration).

What’s more erotic than receiving the “words of Allah” while having sex?

Islam is a whole mess.

You may wonder how so many people believe in this ****?

Well, my friend, it is called B R A I N W A S H I N G.
 
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
What makes him an expert on the life of muslims? Your sources are irrational esp. when you have a host of PRACTICING muslims around that you can ask.
From the mouth of an ex-muslim that I wrote to asking about ‘do muslims worship the black rock?’ and I got a response back from him. It seems that not only do they worship that rock, but also mohammed and the koran.
 
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Let me tell you something. I did not threaten you. Secondly, I do not need an unknown website to tell me about my RELIGION. I have the Qur’an and hadith to inform me about my religion and I’m sure that which is on these websites can not be found in any of the above. How about you study your own religion? You may learn something.
Let me help you here, since you don’t know anything about your cult, and maybe others can also learn about the bloody cult of Islam:

1 - muhammadanism.org/Islam/islam_beheading.pdf

2 - meforum.org/article/713

3 - faithfreedom.org/oped/SKM40715.htm

Next time before you threaten me, learn more about your cult, or are you just a “Muslim” in name only?
 
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Let me tell you something. I did not threaten you. Secondly, I do not need an unknown website to tell me about my RELIGION. I have the Qur’an and hadith to inform me about my religion and I’m sure that which is on these websites can not be found in any of the above. How about you study your own religion? You may learn something.
You are living in denial because, like all of your Muslim buddies, you are brainwashed. So it’s not easy for you to see the truth.

You can’t even see that the articles that I linked to, especially two of them, are direct quotes from your Islamic books, Qur’an and Hadith.
 
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
The prophet muhammad(saw) is dead and WE ,MUSLIMS, DO NOT WORSHIP MUHAMMAD. so maybe you should take a bit of your own advice first.
The behavior of muslims worldwide speak differently.

Over cartoons - riots, people killed - including an old nun who had nothing to do with the cartoons, churches destroyed.

Over cartoons - muslims going to the UN to try to shut people up about islam while muslims do not do the same of other groups and draw vile cartoons of them.

Over anyone using their own texts to show what mohammed was like - a Coptic priest has death threats and a fatwa to be killed over telling us what the koran and hadiths say. This article tells us that Father Botros is public enemy #1 in islam. An old man. But hey, they follow mohammed’s example who killed an old man over 100 years old.

And it isn’t only mohammed they worship - but also the koran.

Geert Wilders has made a film showing the koran’s surahs and how it is being played out in this world.

Theo Van Gogh was killed, Ayan Hirsi Ali has to live in hiding, over a film showing the plight of muslim women in islamic countries. Well it seems that it also applies to our own countries too!

And on and on and on about muslims trying to sue to shut us up, or riot, or threaten with fatwas, etc. if they mention the koran and/or mohammed in a bad light.

And I won’t even go into that black rock that muslims think has consciousness that will speak for them at Judgement Day. You guys don’t even know if that, or any of the stuff you do, bypasses predestination in islam!

So, your weak plea to have us think otherwise just doesn’t ring of the truth.

What that guy’s TV show shows me is that what I think about islam concerning women is indeed true. It is just more of the same from muslims, either they are defending such actions, denying that it exists which don’t fly in the face of facts, or the ones who do the deeds.

And thank the God of Israel that they lived in this country because she will have some justice unlike living in a muslim country where “the extended family and community valorize the honor killing. They do not condemn the perpetrators in the name of Islam. Mainly, honor killings are seen as normative.”
 
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
I would love to see proof against these accusations.You guys act as though America is sinless. Slavery in America just ended fairly recently I would say about the late 1990s. Many people still feel as though black Americans are inferior. So lets not be naiive
Are you psychic? Can you see me? “I act” ??? Muslimah727, I did not make any statement on America (for your information I’m not American). I was replying to your original statement where you said something along the lines “Let’s not talk about slavery in America”

I found it amazing that a muslim, with Islam’s 1400 years of slavery and still going, would even dare to bring this up. That is hypocritical. Possibly you don’t have the equivalent saying to “People who live in glass houses should not throw stones” in Islam?

The trans-atlantic slave trade would never have occurred if not for the rise of Islam, which has as one of it’s basic cornerstones the enslavement of conquered people.

Now, here’s your problerm. Christianity has no laws that apply to the civil administration. Islam has laws that cover ALL aspects of life - individual, family, community and nation. So slavery is enshrined within what I would call “civil secular law”. Not a claim that can be made with Christianity.
 
You are living in denial because, like all of your Muslim buddies, you are brainwashed. So it’s not easy for you to see the truth.

You can’t even see that the articles that I linked to, especially two of them, are direct quotes from your Islamic books, Qur’an and Hadith.
From my experiences with muslims they won’t go to any links. So, if I want to put it in their faces I will quote from the article. I usually quote the pertinat part(s) and not the whole thing. I also notice that some apologists for muslims won’t go to links either so to me that is the best way to at least show them.
 
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
What you fail to realise is that you can’t just quote something from the Qur’an in doing so your taking it out of it’s context both historical and social. What you are doing is dangerous towards your understanding of Islam. You can do it with the bible either. So if you are doing it with Qur’an I can imagine how misguided you are within your own bible.
Also, what ever happened to christian women covering their heads when leaving the house?
What happened to the forbiddence of pork within the christian tradition?
What happened to the ritual baths that Jesus(as) used to take when he was impure?
 
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
What you fail to realise is that you can’t just quote something from the Qur’an in doing so your taking it out of it’s context both historical and social.
It is called proof-texting. It is used extensively by fundamentalist Christians.
 
From my experiences with muslims they won’t go to any links. So, if I want to put it in their faces I will quote from the article. I usually quote the pertinat part(s) and not the whole thing. I also notice that some apologists for muslims won’t go to links either so to me that is the best way to at least show them.
Well, I could do that too, but I will also put it in their face every time they start their rant: I’ll show them the links!!

It must feel good being brainwashed.

I think brainwashing is their “paradise” on earth, until they go up there and find NOTHING!!
 
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