Founding a religious order

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No Jimcav, you are not wrong. The church is not permitting any new orders. Diocesan bishops, however, are allowed to erect new communities. Currently, I am in the beginning stages of founding a community of sisters following the Franciscan rule. We are a private association at this point. We are allowed to accept and form new members, not limited to one diocese, and must provide for ourselves (i.e., find out own work, housing, etc.) Whether or not we wear a habit depends both on our type of work, and the permission of the local pastor and ordinary. Currently, we have six members in five diocese. Two of us work in Catholic institutions and, with the appropriate permissions, wear the habit. The other four do not. It’s slow going for a couple of reasons - mostly financial. We’ve discovered some very interesting things about inward realities vs outward appearances, and we are quite happy to be on the slow road. Like rock, the slower process forms the more solid material.

God bless you,
 
No Jimcav, you are not wrong. The church is not permitting any new orders. Diocesan bishops, however, are allowed to erect new communities. Currently, I am in the beginning stages of founding a community of sisters following the Franciscan rule. We are a private association at this point. We are allowed to accept and form new members, not limited to one diocese, and must provide for ourselves (i.e., find out own work, housing, etc.) Whether or not we wear a habit depends both on our type of work, and the permission of the local pastor and ordinary. Currently, we have six members in five diocese. Two of us work in Catholic institutions and, with the appropriate permissions, wear the habit. The other four do not. It’s slow going for a couple of reasons - mostly financial. We’ve discovered some very interesting things about inward realities vs outward appearances, and we are quite happy to be on the slow road. Like rock, the slower process forms the more solid material.

God bless you,
Thanks for your response!

There seem to be alot of new communities such as your’s coming up and I’m very happy to see that. I was aware that the Church was open to these, but the OP of this thread asked if one can still start an “order”. So maybe there is some confusion about what a full order constitutes.

Thanks for confirming my thoughts on this and may God Bless your work and your community!🙂
 
Do you have to be a priest or nun first to found your own religious order?.
Dear Ace86,
May the peace of Christ be with you.

In regards to your question of whether one needs to be a religious first before founding a community, as others have noted it is not a requirement. However, if you will permit me to make one small comment, that is to say; although it is not required, it seems to be more often than not the standard for today. Without any experience living the religious life, it is very difficult to design a form of life that is to conform to the traditions common to all religious communities. This is especially so if one is seeking official recognition as a religious institute.

Although I am far from an expert on this topic, it seems to me that the Church recommends, before investigating the founding of a new community, to enter an existing community first, and live as best to one’s capacity the religious life, that is; a life of self-renunciation, a life of penance and total abandonment to divine Love. There are many solid orthodox communities in existence today for most people to find a relative good fit, and to at least give it their best shot. And whether it works out or not, the experience gained while living in such a community will be of great benefit.

I remember one of the mistakes I made when I was first discerning religious life many years ago, is that I had a false idealization of this life, picturing it as a sort of spiritual vacation, where I would have followers and we would travel to distant lands and convert the most hardened sinners. I hope that I am not projecting my past errors on anyone here. Of course this is not my intent, but it took me a while to realize a subtle form of pride my way of thinking, believing that I was strong enough or holy enough to lead others to God, when I myself was so weak, and continued to fall daily into sin. We Americans tend to be very self-independent, or rather, self-willed. We have deeply ingrained in us a subtle mentality that greatness requires us to great external works, like founding a new community. But when we look to the lives of the saints, more often than not see hidden lives who’s first work was self-conversion, the rooting out of every sin and imperfection; day and night devoted to the perfection of their souls. Only after years of continual toil and work were they able to take up such lofty external works successfully (with very rare exceptions). This is because they realized that if we are to help others, we must first become holy ourselves. And the principle path to holiness is none other than the cross, namely; obedience. Most of the time, the saints feared such a charge to found a new community, because they knew that as a superior of a community, it is far more difficult to become holy than it is to be subject to another person. Rather, the saints wanted to be forgotten, to be thought of as nothing. This is the ear-mark of sanctity, and the quickest path to holiness, that is; a life of obedience, a life who’s constant desire is to submit one’s will to that of another. Saint Faustina was able to convert nations by leading such a life, without preaching a single homily (read her diary, if you have not done so yet). For the saints, it would be unheard of to even dream of founding a new community, unless Our Lord made it abundantly clear to them. In their humility, they realized that they are nothing, and in themselves they are capable of only sinning. It is only when God resorted to direct visions and locutions, stating directly what they are to do, when they changed their course accordingly.

I do not mean to sound presumptuous, as I know I probably do. I am sure there are very holy souls forming new communities throughout the world. And for them, may Our Lord be blessed.

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Bro. Christopher: I have a friend who believes he is called to begin a religious order of brothers and I am trying to help him find out some of the facts that he will need in order to do so. I realize your post is from almost a year ago, however, I decided to contact you to see if you could forward any information on the process to me. I am interested to hear how things are working out for your community.

God Bless

Judy
 
With great difficulty. I would draw your attention to a an Irish Nun ( Irene Gibson) who tried to establish a new Order on the West Coast of Ireland many years ago only to find that she had to give up, a few years ago, due in one part to not being able to find an Irish priest who could perform the Latin Mass and more importantly lack of funding and support from the local community.
Understand she started life as a Benedictine Nun at Tyburn, London and tried to emulate the Carthusian model in Ireland. Ironic, when there are several Charterhouses for Nuns around the world who do the jon splendidly. There is now one in Korea.
But therein lies another question. Is a person who obviously has some degree of pride in wanting to start an Order that already exists actually suited to that life.

Just a thought.

Peace
Ah but you do not have the real or full story here re Irene Gibson,…

Amazed at your version and wondering where you got it?

We know Irene well and visited her shortly before she left Mayo…

Her career in Ireland began as the first woman Canon 603 hermit. In Co Mayo

She tnen raised a large amount of mney locally - and the community backed her to the hillt, to the tune of over 20,ooo sterling and did the building work. She thus had the full support of both church and community.

The results can be seen on her old web site; google Order of Philomena… A complex of cabins and a church etc.

She then suddenly turned on the Catholic Church, very publically on national TV; that the devil was at work therein, that Vatican 2 was invalid etc…

Thus she abandoned her full Canon 603 Vows and of course the local community did not support this. They had after all funded and supported her fully. To have her turn and bite the hand that fed her.

You cannot do that in Catholic Ireland and hope to be successful…

So she sought Tridentine Mass and could not at that time find it; this was around ten years ago.

The order she tried to found was thus Tridentine as the web site clearly shows.

The place is now abandoned and rotting into the ground

The conditions she expected her applicants to live in were appalling also; the last one endured it only a fortnight…

So this is not a good example of asomeone trying to found an order!.

And it is not fair to blame the local community who funded her massively to have her turn on them.
 
Ah but you do not have the real or full story here re Irene Gibson,…

Amazed at your version and wondering where you got it?

We know Irene well and visited her shortly before she left Mayo…

Her career in Ireland began as the first woman Canon 603 hermit. In Co Mayo

She tnen raised a large amount of mney locally - and the community backed her to the hillt, to the tune of over 20,ooo sterling and did the building work. She thus had the full support of both church and community.

The results can be seen on her old web site; google Order of Philomena… A complex of cabins and a church etc.

She then suddenly turned on the Catholic Church, very publically on national TV; that the devil was at work therein, that Vatican 2 was invalid etc…

Thus she abandoned her full Canon 603 Vows and of course the local community did not support this. They had after all funded and supported her fully. To have her turn and bite the hand that fed her.

You cannot do that in Catholic Ireland and hope to be successful…

So she sought Tridentine Mass and could not at that time find it; this was around ten years ago.

The order she tried to found was thus Tridentine as the web site clearly shows.

The place is now abandoned and rotting into the ground

The conditions she expected her applicants to live in were appalling also; the last one endured it only a fortnight…

So this is not a good example of asomeone trying to found an order!.

And it is not fair to blame the local community who funded her massively to have her turn on them.
I know Sr Irene, also. I was under the impression that she’d had a buyer for the property, which had become something of an albatross around her neck. (I am not judging by saying that, just using an image). All that she confided to me stays in confidence, but please pray for her as she tries to find her place in life. That is the greatest charity we can extend to her right now–aside from finding a buyer for the property.

Blessings,
Cloisters
 
How does one found a religious order? Do you have to be a priest or nun first to found your own religious order? And does it have to be approved by the Vatican? or by a Bishop?

can someone please direct me to the proper procedures? Thanks.
Yes, laity can found a religious community.

Start with journaling the inspirations.

Get a spiritual director.

Develop the Personal Prayer Rule based on one’s inspirations.

While living this PPR, work on the constitutions for the envisioned community. Include the rule upon which this charism is based; horarium; remunerative work (whatever talent is brought to the community or something more specific); formation program; and stable source of habit parts.

One can become a diocesan hermit after having lived the PPR for a number of years. (There is no guarantee that a community will form). Each hermit is their own charism.

If possible, squirrel away $1200 (US dollars) for a founder’s novitiate with a community that has a charism as close to yours as possible. The founders’ novitiate cannot be taught by the host community unless a formation program has been developed. During the founder’s novitiate, one will learn about the structure of the life, to include the leadership positions.

The Lord will send adherents when the founder is ready. If He wants you to have something, it may literally fall at your feet. Keep your eyes on Him, and trust His Providence to provide.

If adherents do arrive, four of you living the life for a number of years will be required to make sure everything you’d journaled does indeed work in practical matters. When you have a working set of constitutions, THEN go to the bishop.

Bishops can approve only that which has been lived. They CANNOT approve unlived concepts. We Catholics are so hard-wired regarding bishop approval that we can’t let go and let God in this particular matter. Bishops and the faithful are bound by canon 605 to support emerging charisms.

Emerging charisms are “private preparatory associations of the faithful with the intention of becoming an institute of religious life.” Since they are a lay association, they are permitted distinctive garb outside the house, as long as it does not resemble a religious habit. Speaking of which, they are permitted to wear one indoors. This is part of the experimentation. One will have to know what is practical and what is not; what is available for habit parts, and what is not.

Everything that goes on during the preparatory phase is to strive to resemble an established community. A formation program is essential. Not having one is like advertising a restaurant, then serving only drinks to guests. Those drawn to emerging charisms should be very, very flexible and be charitable enough to voice one’s concerns to the founder. Issues cannot be addressed unless they are made known.

Blessings,
Cloisters
 
I personally think there are already too many orders. As a candidate in formation for the Capuchin Franciscans, I have seen so many different associations, congregations, orders etc. I think it would be much better for many of you to think before you just start your own order. I know that constitutions are very relaxed now but you can still live piously within the order. Just some thoughts. Not trying to make anyone mad. I just think somewhere inside all of us we think we have a better way of living for an order than the next guy or gal. I mean this has been done over and over and over with the same results every time. Do you know an order that started off extremely rigid but now many years later has relaxed? There are thousands of them. Like I said. Just a thought. Please don’t write nasty hate comments back to me. God bless.
 
I personally think there are already too many orders. As a candidate in formation for the Capuchin Franciscans, I have seen so many different associations, congregations, orders etc. I think it would be much better for many of you to think before you just start your own order. I know that constitutions are very relaxed now but you can still live piously within the order. Just some thoughts. Not trying to make anyone mad. I just think somewhere inside all of us we think we have a better way of living for an order than the next guy or gal. I mean this has been done over and over and over with the same results every time. Do you know an order that started off extremely rigid but now many years later has relaxed? There are thousands of them. Like I said. Just a thought. Please don’t write nasty hate comments back to me. God bless.
I know only that a handful of women who now wear light blue and white while exercising their right to assemble are grateful that I had the courage to build a website and advertise the charism. There are also other men and women who have responded to the posted proposals, and are now finding happiness and peace because I dared to produce the websites.

To those who do not understand, there is no explanation. For those who do understand, no explanation is necessary.

Blessings,
Cloisters
 
Dear Raging: I agree with you. When I initially asked the question some months back, I was asking for a friend who does not have internet access. I think that occasionally the need does arise within the Church for a new order, aka. Mother Theresa and the Missionaries of Charity; however, without the proper guidance it can probably develop all too easily into something else. As for myself . . . I found my vocation with the OCDS (Discalced Carmelite seculars) and couldn’t be happier.
Please everyone, this post is not an blast against anyone who feels they are called to begin a new religious order within the Church. As “Raging” said, perhaps the call is simply not as common as we might like to think.
Peace everyone.
 
When anyone comes to us with such aspirations/inspirations, we advise them to retain a spiritual director, and develop a personal prayer rule based on the inspirations. If they have a mind’s eye concept of how they see a future community living, that needs to be documented, also.

From the personal prayer rule, an eremitical plan of life might emerge, or adherents may be drawn to how the person is living their way of life, and the Church guarantees the right to associate with uniform clothing, as long as it does not look like a habit.

We also advise those who are attracted to founding charisms to look into which ones are 25 years old or younger. Having a founder’s mindset often helps emerging charisms stay bouyant.

That being said, when doors are constantly shut in the face of those seeking established communities, they oftentimes have no choice but to found their own charism.

Eremitical Plans of Life, as I said, can emerge from the personal prayer rule. Each hermit is their own charism. There is no guarantee that a community will grow from one hermit, though.

Raging and MM have both found their vocations, for which we are grateful. Please pray for those who are still searching. I have two sites which promote established communities:

cloisters.tripod.com/

cloisters.tripod.com/us_nursing/

Blessings,
Cloisters
 
I am happy to hear that there are so many vocations that are “booming”. This is one sure sign that the Holy Spirit is actively working in all of our lives. So thanks be to God for that. If the orders help more people to live in complete Gospel like love towards one another, which in turn is love towards Jesus (Matt. 25), then I say that is beautiful and the orders have accomplished their purpose. However, if by chance the orders cause someone to think they somehow have a better understanding of true religious life than someone else…that may need to be looked at and prayed over. Well…I mean it all needs to be prayed over…but that in general may be an issue.

We are all on the same team. “One,Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic”, right?
🙂

God Bless everyone.

Pax et Bonum.
 
I run a Yahoo group (invitation only) called Founders Forum. If you wish to join, you may email me off-board.

The steps to foundation are this:
  1. Get the charism (gift to the church and the world) down on paper. If the community is to wear a habit, find someone who can sketch it.
  2. This next step is nebulous, and no one has ever stated what must happen next. Either visit the bishop with the paperwork mentioned in #1, or put the charism onto a website to advertise; gather aspirants; then ask the bishop’s blessing on the venture. I personally am doing the latter.
  3. The diocese is in no way financially responsible for the start of a new community. They (the future sisters/brothers) MUST show that they can be financially viable (right word?).
  4. The first classification of a new order is “de facto association.” Both the local bishop and Rome must know about it.
  5. The second classification is “private association of the faithful.” Another aspiring foundress has informed me that even a de facto association comes under this classification. When one’s community is a private association of the faithful, they are not permitted to make new foundations.
Footnote: I’m finding that bishops are being inconsistent where the habit is concerned at the “private association” step. One budding community wears a uniform of sorts with their bishop’s blessing, but another community in another diocese can’t wear the charism’s habit until they grow. The sisters are in a habit, but they’re different colors. Yet, a men’s community in another diocese was reprimanded because they all wore the same t-shirt. The diocese said what they were wearing was too much like a habit. I might be reading all that incorrectly, and if I am, I hope someone enlightens me.
  1. When the community has grown, they may take public vows and don the habit. At this point, if they grow further, they may make new foundations.
  2. After 10 years of steady growth, the community is approved as a religious institute of “diocesan right.” (That might be spelled “rite.” With the time change, I can’t remember squat right now).
  3. After 20-25 years of steady growth, the community can be approved by Rome, and become a religious institute of “pontifical right.” They are added to a book published yearly listing such communities, and are answerable to the pope himself.
As I said, please feel free to email me off-board with more questions.

Blessings,
Cloisters
I would like to know about you. I will tell you more about myself but not on a site that is viewed by all. I am really interested in what you have to say.
 
Outlining the stages:
  1. Personal Prayer Rule
  2. Private Lay association (can also be done as #1)
  3. Private Preparatory association
  4. Private Association w/letter from bishop (done mainly to assauge the fears of the laity)
  5. After growth is shown, Public Association.
  6. Ten years of growth, and the institute can be raised to diocesan right
  7. After 25 years, the institute can be raised to pontifical right.
This information is from the Fr Gambari books;, other founders; my SD who is former prez of the defunct Fellowship of Emerging Religious Communities; and personal experience with our CONF emerging charisms.

As a replacement for the Fellowship, we now have the Fullerton Society listserv:
groups.yahoo.com/group/fullerton_society/

Blessings,
Cloisters
 
Dear Friends,
Here it is 2012 and I’m still strugling to follow Christ in my order.Since the church has given me so much trouble and rejection my story began to realize the heartache that the church imposed on Padre Pio. So I changed the name to The Brothers of Padre Pio. My mission itself is going strong (no thanks to the church) I spent over a year seeking validation from the church that I finally came to realize that it is God validation that is most important. I wrote to the Holy Father 3 times and he responded 3 times wishing me well. I reach a point that I wrote him again expressing that I beleive God doesn’t want my order to be Cannonically recognized so I withdrew my request. It became apparent that fame removes humility. I truly believe that God has called me just as he did St. Francis to repair his church.I finally realize this is what God is expecting of me. When one is Cannonically recognized they are then silenced when speaking out in defense of our church. I can only say that this is what I have been doing. Recently a priest used the gay rainbow flag as an altar cover. I protested this as being outrageous. Had I been Cannoncally recognized they would have silenced me. To this very day I’m seen throughout the archdiocese wearing my habit and defending our church. I must be getting things right since the Archbishop greets me every Sunday and the faithful have supported my every move. Sometimes we need to insist on doing the work for God. I still minister to the homeless, poor and sick. I do have many younger priest who despise me for my work. And I forgive them for that. But the reality is this. While they sit behind shinny desk I’m on the street getting my habit dirty. I’m sure many of you thought I gave up. But let me say this. Never give up on God. Yes I have broken down many Cannon Law barriers, but God has been right there with me.
God Bless,
Br. Christopher Sale B.P.P.
 
It sounds as if you need an attitude adjustment towards the Church my friend.

" I do have many younger priest who despise me for my work. And I forgive them for that. But the reality is this. While they sit behind shinny desk I’m on the street getting my habit dirty."

Sounds a little self-righteous to me. I’m happy for you in your work that your doing, but in my honest opinion, we already have enough orders out there. It’s time for the heart of Catholic Christian faith to come surging through these orders. It’s time to bring the traditions back to these orders. If you don’t like to be “silenced”, how can you expect to ever follow a vow of obedience…or do you not take that evangelical counsel?

I’m not trying to be harsh, I just think you might be trying to be holier than Holy Mother Church.
 
I’m sorry you have misunderstood my position. I’m totally obedient to the church and the Holy Father. And I will stand firm by all our good priest. What I am saying is I don’t want to be a part of all this progressive liberal nonsense that seems to be destroying the church.
Let me give you an example. At a recent mass for Aids the priest used a rainbow gay flag as an altar cover with gay flags everywhere. This is not acceptable. Yes I spoke out about it in protest. Last summer a priest gave a lecture at a local parish saying that Jesus had sex with Mary Magalene and that masturbation is no longer a sin. He also said the act of gay sex is no longer a sin.
Are you saying I must be obedient to this kind of priest. Sorry but that’s not going to happen. We must defend our faith. I complained to the Archbishop and this priest will not be allow to speak here again. I’m sorry but its very difficult to be obedient to the disobedient.
No one is holier then anyone. However we must stride to be holy. I hope this clears up your false perception of me. I love the church. And I worry about its fate. Here in Los Angeles we have priest who are ignoring our Bishop. This is wrong it must end.
 
I wanted to add an additional example. In my ministry I counsel many gay men.
A few months ago a priest with the gay and lesbian ministry told me I didn’t need to teach that that act of homosexuality is a sin. He said its no longer a sin. What? Is he kidding?
Now I ask you. Should I be obedient to this liberal priest or follow the teachings of the Catholic church? I will follow the church teaching, not this priest. Is that being disobedient to you? I also complained to the Bishop about this priest. The Bishop told him he must follow the proper teachings. I’m sorry my friend, but we must always speak up in defense of our faith. Are we to stand by while these kind of priest tear down the teachings of the church.
I want you to know. I love our church. But I will not sit back and watch a priest teach what he’s teaching. He’s sending the wrong message to our young people. Please don’t see me as someone who is disobedient. I have always followed the teaching to a T.
And please pray for these priest. They really need our prayers.
God bless.
 
I wanted to add an additional example. In my ministry I counsel many gay men.
A few months ago a priest with the gay and lesbian ministry told me I didn’t need to teach that that act of homosexuality is a sin. He said its no longer a sin. What? Is he kidding?
Now I ask you. Should I be obedient to this liberal priest or follow the teachings of the Catholic church? I will follow the church teaching, not this priest. Is that being disobedient to you? I also complained to the Bishop about this priest. The Bishop told him he must follow the proper teachings. I’m sorry my friend, but we must always speak up in defense of our faith. Are we to stand by while these kind of priest tear down the teachings of the church.
I want you to know. I love our church. But I will not sit back and watch a priest teach what he’s teaching. He’s sending the wrong message to our young people. Please don’t see me as someone who is disobedient. I have always followed the teaching to a T.
And please pray for these priest. They really need our prayers.
God bless.
Christopher - while your intentions may be noble and good, if you have never been formed through life in a religious community then your understanding of obedience might be a little shaky. I highly recommend spending a year in canonical formation with an established community before trying to start your own. The way you are doing it could lead to a personality cult based on your ideas and opinions and not on any solid theological or spiritual framework. There are reasons for hierarchy within the Church and also for laws and customs and traditions. And yes, there are many within the Church who do not act as they should, but it doesn’t help the Church if you cause more schism by bad-mouthing those who are in authority over us. If you have complaints about a priest then write to your Bishop. Just because he smiles and gives you a nod doesn’t mean he approves of what you are doing. Many who try to start new communities are looked at as ‘fruit cakes’ simply because they do try to act without proper authorisation or approval. I wish you well and admire your spirit. Nor do I doubt your sincerity, but your attitude is very self-aggrandising and hostile to legally appointed authority. Act with a little humility by doing your work in silence and with charity to all and if it is God’s work, then it will prosper, and if not, then you will have learned some lessons.
Prayers.
 
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